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You'd have to learn. The same as if it wasn't in the gauntlet.
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You'd have to learn. The same as if it wasn't in the gauntlet.
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Even the Photon Blast?
I understand Teleportation and the other abilities, but the Photon Blast?
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Yeah. Only Thanos has shown the ability to understand and use the Tesseract/Space stone on contact. And it's likely due to studying it, I would assume. Loki didn't use it at all in Avengers for w/e reason, nor did he use it in IW or in Ragnarok and it would've helped him. A lot. Even Hela didn't and it would literally accomplish what she wanted with the Bifrost.
Also not sure space stone can photon blast. You could use it power a photon blast, but I don't remember Thanos photon blasting anyone with it in IW.
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Umm.. Thanos never studied it and neither did Loki. But both knew how to use it on contact... point, Thanos in Infinity War and Loki in Endgame. Loki within hour was able to figure out what the stone does and use it to escape.
Umm... They didn't use the stone in Ragnarok coz there was no reason to use it. Hela believed herself victorious already why would she use the space stone in Ragnarok. You statement is an assumption.
Edit: in the avengers the stone was being used to make the portal for Chitauri until it was not.
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Thanos probably did. He did a lot with it. Loki in Endgame used it, but again, in Infinity War, Avengers, and Ragnarok, he didn't.
In Avengers, if Loki could use it to open up the portal, he wouldn't need the doctor. And he'd win the fight easily.
In Infinity War, he'd just escape from Thanos easily and everything is prevented. No need for 'we have a Hulk'.
Ragnarok, they'd be able to escape from Hela or even defeat her with it by just teleporting her elsewhere. Rather than destroying their home. And Hela literally only wanted the Bifrost. It was her entire thing. She fought them because Heimdall took the Bifrost sword (Hofund) and was escaping. That was established. But when she sees the Tesseract, she just says 'not bad' despite it doing the one thing she wanted to do: teleport her and her army to other places to conquer them.
She also didn't use Gungnir for w/e reason.
So...yeah at least a bit of studying seems to be needed, at least for Loki. Endgame usage is either an outlier or Loki's far, far dumber than previously thought. Like next level dumb. Like too dumb to live dumb.
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Loki could have opened the portal, he just wouldn't be able to sustain that portal for more than a minute... and that wasn't the plan.
Thanos didn't. He studied the Mind Stone and was using it to track energies similar to the Stone. And when Tesseract was being experimented on by SHIELD. There were bursts of energy that the cube released, which Thanos/Maw was able to track and open a portal to send one person to the location of the stone.
In Avengers, Loki didn't hold the stone for himself. He had to give it to Selving to create a stabilized platform, that he didn't have to operate for hours, for the Chitauri Army.
Yes, Loki would have escaped in Ragnarok, if his brother wasn't there on the ship/ or on Asgard. Or his people. It was sentiments that stopped Loki, not whatever you are saying.
And Hela could have used the Tesseract, but again it would take her time to learn it and teleport others with her, and not just herself. Time constraints were what stopped her from mastering the Tesseract.
(Edit: I thought, you were saying that Hela should have used Tesseract with Bifrost Bridge to teleport her army. But I re-read your statement... it says that Hela should have just used the Tesseract to teleport herself and her army to wherever she wanted... Well, she could if she believed she couldn't find Hofund within hours and not waste time studying the cube.)
From Endgame one thing that is for sure is that Loki could teleport himself with the Tesseract. (And this is Avengers Timeline Loki, who held the Tesseract just for hours in his hand.)
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There's no time limit given or shown on the portals from the space stone. Thanos teleported moon debris just fine and kept it raining down for seemingly longer.
Given that Thanos uses the stone to make black holes and make things intangible, I'm going to assume he did. We don't know that he didn't and he's infinitely more masterful with it than anyone else. Otherwise I'm forced to just believe that he's that much smarter than everyone.
Loki held it and gave it to Selvig. If he can use it, it makes no sense not to first take out his brother and the Avengers and then allow the army in. Hell, a minute was enough for a decent amount of the Chitauri to come through, and the Leviathans required Hulk and Thor level beings to take down so...Loki's just dumb if he could actually use the stone.
Thanos took the entire Black Order with him. Loki could do the same with Thor and others. Or he could just send Hela away. Or Thanos. It works either way. And at the end of it, there's only Loki, Thor, and Hulk there. There's no sentiment left. Just teleport the three away and they win. Thanos would struggle to chase them and they'd have all the prep in the word.
Hela had 0 time constraints. Literally none. Nothing was in her way and if she could stop and learn to teleport herself, she'd win. Literally. So either it's something that people don't just know how to use, or Hela too is too dumb to live. Like next level dumb. She literally had the mini-bifrost in her hand and chose not to use it.
She had the win condition and deliberately chose not to activate it. I reject that.
And Gungnir can activate the Bifrost. And the Bifrost isn't really needed once the Space Stone/Tesseract is in play.
And Endgame had a ton of faulty logic. Not sure we want to use that.
The logic is shaky at best, but if you request no studying needed to use Infinity Stones, that can be arranged and retconned in.
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Would you kindly?
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We should first research the tesseract to realize the stone is inside and then bind the stone to the Gauntlets.
Cause I strongly believe to get the stone after we bound it we would have to damage or destroy the gauntlets
Also we should make it a trend to bind the stones to our equipment like for example an armor or cape bound with the reality stone
Also @KnowledgeKing how big of an army are we talking about with the Chitauri?
Cause I strongly believe to get the stone after we bound it we would have to damage or destroy the gauntlets
Also we should make it a trend to bind the stones to our equipment like for example an armor or cape bound with the reality stone
Also @KnowledgeKing how big of an army are we talking about with the Chitauri?
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Probably in the millions. Low millions (7 figures) but...millions.
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Space and Power Stone were used in combination to move the moon.
Thanos didn't even know of the Infinities Stone, until before 1992. And you just gave him the Mind Sceptre. So in this universe yea... Thanos would be uber smart like you are hoping him to be. But in MCU canon, for Thanos Infinity Stones were just stories on the level of Asgard until after he found the Mind Stone and bound it in a sceptre.
No.. Loki didn't have enough power to open a portal large enough to teleport the whole of the Chitaur. And you are making assumptions that teleporting yourself from point a and teleporting someone else from point b, where point a and b is far away is logical and something that Loki was capable to do.
Hela could have found the Hofund within hours or spend months to study Tesseract and its power. Tell me which sounds more logical to Hela?
And no, I don't want that. You have already given Thanos plot armour of the level that would make a manga artist orgasm. No.
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@KnowledgeKing Now before you update... what do you infer by Thor and Tyr, bringing in a force to face the attackers?
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Nah, Power was used to destroy it, space to teleport it.
Not sure there's proof of that 1992 figure. Got evidence?
Loki wouldn't need power...the Tesseract would. The Tesseract can move others. Thanos used it to phase Hulkbuster into some rocks.
The one that doesn't involve fighting Thor and getting half of her army killed.
Thanos has 0 plot armor. Just high stats from like...idk beating Thor and Hulk down in the movies and having tech that crosses time and still connects and reverse engineering pym particles.
And the Mind Stone because we've been given 0 indication of where it is. So I just made it a Titan thing.
Bringing an army. Probably Sif and the Warrior's Three for Thor. Tyr's just bringing an army, no named people. Probably half of Asgard's total army total is being brought.
Nah, Power was used to destroy it, space to teleport it.
Not sure there's proof of that 1992 figure. Got evidence?
Loki wouldn't need power...the Tesseract would. The Tesseract can move others. Thanos used it to phase Hulkbuster into some rocks.
The one that doesn't involve fighting Thor and getting half of her army killed.
Thanos has 0 plot armor. Just high stats from like...idk beating Thor and Hulk down in the movies and having tech that crosses time and still connects and reverse engineering pym particles.
And the Mind Stone because we've been given 0 indication of where it is. So I just made it a Titan thing.
Bringing an army. Probably Sif and the Warrior's Three for Thor. Tyr's just bringing an army, no named people. Probably half of Asgard's total army total is being brought.
We have one more turn as royal so make sure to not waste it.
Our main priorities/privileges are:
Research tesseract
Research tablet
Get at least one factory up up and running
Integrate tech into society
Maybe but one more army
Improve security*******
Get more magic into soldier training [preferably healing magic]
Have a sit to to talk strategy with Thor and Frigga [cause I can't trust Odin not to just diss our authority]
These aren't necessities but we should get at least 3-5 of these done minimum.
Our main priorities/privileges are:
Research tesseract
Research tablet
Get at least one factory up up and running
Integrate tech into society
Maybe but one more army
Improve security*******
Get more magic into soldier training [preferably healing magic]
Have a sit to to talk strategy with Thor and Frigga [cause I can't trust Odin not to just diss our authority]
These aren't necessities but we should get at least 3-5 of these done minimum.
Can we keep Sir behind as guardian? Don't want to be caught with a major distraction after all. Maybe also keep 1/5th of their fighting force stationed here.
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The Wikia clearly states it. And if Barry Lyga and Marvel's conversation is to be believed there is a lot more to this, but Marvel at last moment cancelled the novel Barry was writing, so I won't be citing that as canon.
Yea... and Hela knew Thor was gone for good. Unless she had clairvoyance, she couldn't have predicted Thor coming back in a day.
And leave Asgard... defenceless (without it's general)... Wow.
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Sif's going to want to go. Unless Loki specifically says no.
Right now you're keeping 2.5/5 so that should be fine.
The wiki needs a source to be valid.
I mean when Thor came back. And she still kept trying to stop them from escaping. At that point it'd be easier to just use Gungnir or the Tesseract.
I wouldn't consider it defenseless. Half of the army would still be there.
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[X] Plan: Protocol M.A.D
[X] Large Laser (2)
[X] Chitauri
[X] Asgard and Nidavellir (4:1)
[X] Uru Gauntlets (Flexible enough to allow nerve strikes)
[X] Increase his Binding/Sealing
[X] Large Laser (2)
[X] Chitauri
[X] Asgard and Nidavellir (4:1)
[X] Uru Gauntlets (Flexible enough to allow nerve strikes)
[X] Increase his Binding/Sealing
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@Darkcore41 What does this part of your plan mean?
"-[z] Have Loki build up maximum amount of seals to seal balance."
"-[z] Have Loki build up maximum amount of seals to seal balance."
It means what we discussed about Loki building up seals outside of battle and using the all at once against an enemy.
Also can we keep Sif in Asgard in case this is a distraction.
Can't we just do that with our magic instead of having it enchanted to do that?
This is what I am talking about with seals on someone's sense of balance.
Edit: @MRoy we aren't enchanting the gauntlet we are storing seals until we get in to battle. So Loki is using the seals and storing it on himself until necessary.
@KnowledgeKing storing the seals on Loki's person up to 10 outside of battle is possible right?
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By the way, is it possible for us to improve Stewardship further?
If passing the army purchase action with 686 didn't result in a point increase, I can't imagine what would.
If passing the army purchase action with 686 didn't result in a point increase, I can't imagine what would.
I think that is because of Sigyn's help that it didn't improve stewardship.