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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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KnowledgeKing said:
The Martial is posted. So is the magic. That's the only thing that's the same.



If they ask for stuff. Osmond likely will. Passing the Martial Roll is improving the skill.



Loki wouldn't know.

You need a forge to forge something. You need to forge magitech. Learning it's possible isn't really a thing that's needed.



Yes it's added.



Wherever you base them.



It's progressing.
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Do we still need touch for binding? What are the limitations now? @KnowledgeKing

Edit: @Red Bovine let's create the forge first like my plan before going straight to forging magic.
 
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Friendly reminder that we swore off forging, if we do ever start trying to forge again without gaining permission from Odin first we will become an Oath breaker.
 
Kufufu said:
Friendly reminder that we swore off forging, if we do ever start trying to forge again without gaining permission from Odin first we will become an Oath breaker.
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We never promised that, Odin banned us. Now that we are temp king we repel that ruling. Let him wake up and reinstate that ruling.

@KnowledgeKing what is the standard issued gear of the Soldiers?

Edit: if bindings only limitation is the roll can we seal Thanos's life from Asgard?
 
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Darkcore41 said:
We never promised that, Odin banned us. Now that we are temp king we repel that ruling. Let him wake up and reinstate that ruling.
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Just checked and you are correct, however we aren't "temp king" we are the regent. Regents do not have the power to repeal the commands of previous kings and Odin will punish us for both Forging and spitting in the face of his authority.
 
Kufufu said:
Just checked and you are correct, however we aren't "temp king" we are the regent. Regents do not have the power to repeal the commands of previous kings and Odin will punish us for both Forging and spitting in the face of his authority.
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We are doing a lot of things that a Regent can't do. Expanding armies, making alliences, diplomacy.
 
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Darkcore41 said:
We are doing a lot of things that a Regent can't do. Expanding armies, making alliences, diplomacy.
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Yeah, considering all the other stuff we are doing while Odin is in a coma the one made when Loki was literally a preteen child seems like the least that should upset a King. Seriously, we were like 11 when that happened and we are literally over a hundred years old now, married and acting as temporary King.
 
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Darkcore41 said:
We don't have the military might to intimidate the other Realms. So most likely seeing Odin gone and Thor somewhere else they will think either invade or break off from Asgard. So the summit right now is a mistake. The bodies also won't mean anything to the rulers because these were not their soldiers nor was it their attack.
The only think Loki is known for in Asgard is being weird before the events of Thanos Sack. So you can imagine that his reputation is non existent. So without Rep, armies, or Thor how do you expect to tell the other Realms in which two are hostile to get in line?
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All irrelevant to the complaint that our planning sucks; yes, Thanos was a sucker-punch... but that still doesn't excuse the lack of coherent plan, does it?
To illustrate, how many turns have we had the "Attempt to go beyond mastery of Magic" and "Train your Enchantment to go beyond the beyond" options? What about expanding social-links so we can get help on the high-DC options? What about mastering Biology so we get the combat bonus?

Sanas22 said:
Odin gone??? where? As long as there is no proof of it and Laufey and Surtur don't have the Casket of Winters or Eternal Flames, they won't do jackshit. Thor would be at the summit, what crack are you reading?
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Maybe there's another Thor/Loki quest he's reading?
 
Sanas22 said:
@KnowledgeKing Can we bind a part of 'this energy' that the Tesseract is releasing to make ourselves a hammerspace?

Also, can you elaborate on the action of the Dwarves asking for aide?
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I'm not sure that makes sense under binding/sealing. To make a hammerspace.

What to you need clarification on? The Dwarves sent a distress signal out, asking for Asgard's aid/protection.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Black King on Dec 22, 2019 at 10:55 AM, finished with 170 posts and 12 votes.
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    [X] Arrow in the Dark, Sword in the Light
    [X] Plan: Pro-Gamer Move v2
    -[x] As King
    --[x] Train new soldiers for the army. DC 30.
    -- [X] Sif (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Tyr (Tertiary)
    --[x] Train the older soldiers with the same regimen that the new soldiers got. DC 60
    -- [X] Eir (Primary)
    -- [X] Erling (Tertiary)
    --[x] Fortify Asgard's Defenses. DC 90
    -- [X] Eir (Tertiary)
    --[X] Recruit more soldiers. DC 70 x2
    ---[x] Erling (Primary and Secondary)
    ---[x] Sif (Primary and Secondary)
    ---[x] Tyr (Primary and Secondary)
    --[X] Increase Support for the military. DC 40
    -- [X] Eir (Secondary)
    --[X] Give someone else an official position (Write-In) DC ???
    ---[x] Hogun -> (Spymaster, but with a nicer sounding name, like "Minister of Peace")
    ----[x] Ylva (Secondary)
    ----[x] Fandral (Tertiary)
    ----[x] Volstagg (Tertiary)
    ----[x] Thor (Secondary)
    --[X] Confront Thor about his actions. DC ???
    -- [X] Lorelei (Secondary)
    -- [X] Loki (Secondary)
    -- [X] Sigyn (Secondary)
    --[X] Re-establish peace in the Nine Realms with a peace summit. DC ??? (Cannot be done multiple times)
    -- [X] Loki (Primary)
    -- [X] Sigyn (Primary)
    -- [X] Ylva (Primary)
    -- [X] Thor (Primary)
    -- [X] Lorelei (Tertiary)
    --[x] Meet with the leaders of the Nova Corps. DC 40
    ---[X] Loki (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Sigyn (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Thor (Tertiary)
    --[x] Meet with one of the leaders of the Nine Realms (Nidavellir or Alfheim) DC ??? (Dependent on the realm)
    -- [X] Ylva (Tertiary)
    --[x] Build more Barracks for more military coverage. DC 45
    --[x] Create a factory to mass produce ships and current Asgardian weapons. DC 65 x2
    --[X] There seems to be a disturbance... DC ???
    -- [X] Hogun (Primary)
    -- [X] Fandral (Primary)
    -- [X] Volstagg (Primary)
    -- [X] Amora (Secondary)
    --[X] Establish an official Asgard Spy Ring. DC ???
    -- [X] Hogun (Secondary)
    -- [X] Fandral (Secondary)
    -- [X] Volstagg (Secondary)
    --[X] Reverse Engineer the technology the mercenaries brought, using what you can from the wreckage. DC 45
    -- [X] Elym (Tertiary)
    --[X] Use the Tesseract to create/power more technology. DC ???
    -- [X] Osmond (Secondary)
    -- [X] Elym (Secondary)
    --[X] Research and experiment with only one of the vault items.
    -- [X] Tablet of Life and Time. DC 140
    ----[x] Osmond (Primary)
    ----[x] Elym (Primary)
    --[X] Write In: Research into Television/Communication Area
    -- [X] Osmond (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Amora (Tertiary)
    --[X] Create a scrying pool of sorts. To keep an eye on others. DC ???
    -- [X] Lorelei (Primary)
    -- [X] Amora (Primary)
    -[X] As Loki
    --[X] Magic:
    ---[X] Try to incorporate your magic into your fighting
    ----[X] Binding/Sealing DC 170 Martial, DC 80 Learning
    --[X] Go visit your Mother. She's recovered, but still weak. DC 15
    --[X] Visit Hábrók as he attempts to heal. DC 50
    -- [X] With Sigyn (Primary)
    --[X] Ask the Dwarves about making a weapon similar to Mjolnir for you. DC 60
    -- [X] With Sigyn (Secondary)
    ---[x] With Osmond (Secondary)
    --[X] Visit Odin's Library and see what was within. DC 45
    ---[x] With Osmond (Primary)
    ---[x] With Sigyn (Tertiary)
    –[x] Other:
    ——[x] Of course.
    ——[x] Send aid
    ——[x] Hear her out.
    --[X] Expansion into other places (Nova Corps, Muspelheim, Jotunheim, Nornheim, and such)
    [X] Plan: Construction
    –[x] Asguard Actions
    —[x] Take a bold new stance and train the civilians to fight as well. DC 50 Stewardship. DC ???
    ——[x] Sif (Primary)
    ——[x] Fandral (Secondary)
    ——[x] Hogun (Secondary)
    ——[x] Volstagg (Secondary)
    ——[x] Tyr (Primary)
    ——[x] Thor (Secondary)
    —[x] Train a specialized group of soldiers (invasion, stealth, defense, assassination, destabilization, range only, etc.) DC 115
    ——[x] Erling (Secondary)
    ——[x] Fandral (Primary)
    ——[x] Hogun (Primary)
    ——[x] Volstagg (Primary)
    —[x] Offer to send Jotunheim's fallen men back for burial, as a show of good will. DC ???
    ——[x] Loki (Tertiary)
    ——[x] Ylva (Primary)
    —[x] Offer to send back Muspelheim's fallen...demons? Back for burial. DC ???
    ——[x] Loki (Secondary)
    ——[x] Ylva (Secondary)
    —[x] Talk to Thor about his actions. DC ???
    ——[x] Sigyn (Primary)
    —[x] Continue to look for rebels or anything of the sort inside of Asgard. DC 50
    ——[x] Sif (Secondary)
    —[x] Have the Bifrost looked into. DC ???
    —[x] Have a magical Forge built here in Asgard. DC ???
    ——[x] Sigyn (Secondary)
    —[x] Improve your Science-Math Workshop. DC 40
    —[x] Get a report of the going ons in the Nine Realms. DC 60
    —[x] Recruit powerful sorcerers from somewhere in the Nine Realms. DC 80
    —[x] Build a wall to keep out invaders. DC 90
    —[x] Have a national Garden Built. DC 50
    —[x] There seems to be a disturbance... DC ???
    ——[x] Loki (Primary)
    —[x] Improve Asgard's understanding of Medicine. DC 85
    ——[x] Osmond (Secondary)
    —[x] Reverse Engineer the technology the mercenaries brought, using what you can from the wreckage. DC 45
    —[x] Train more sorcerers/magicians. DC 80
    —[x] Create a scrying pool of sorts. To keep an eye on others. DC ???
    —[x] Use Magic to bolster Asgard's Security. DC 90
    ——[x] Amora (Secondary)
    ——[x] Lorelei (Secondary)
    —[x] Make a new discovery in Magic. DC ???
    ——[x] Amora (Primary)
    ——[x] Lorelei (Primary)
    –[x] Loki's Actions
    —[x] Try to incorporate your magic into your fighting
    ——[x] Binding/Sealing DC 170 Martial, DC 80 Learning
    ——[x] Thor (Primary)
    ——[x] Osmond (Primary)
    —[x] Attempt to go beyond mastery of Magic. DC 130
    —[x] Train your Enchantment to go beyond the beyond. At least in skill/knowledge. DC 130
    —[x] Relationships: Spend time with some of your favorite people in the world!
    ——[x] Elym
    ——[x] Amora
    –[x] Other:
    —[x] Frigga wishes to speak with her sons.
    ——[x] Of course.
    —[x] The Dwarves have asked for help.
    ——[x] Send aid
    —[x] Sif has something to discuss with Loki.
    ——[x] Hear her out.
    —[x] What does Loki ask Sigyn to focus on (for Phoenix Financial)?
    ——[x] Currency
    [X] Plan: Pro-Gamer Move
    [X] Arrow in the Dark, Sword in the Light
    -[X] Train new soldiers for the army. DC 30.
    -- [X] Sif (Secondary)
    -- [X] Tyr (Tertiary)
    -[X] Fortify Asgard's Defenses. DC 90
    -- [X] Sif (Primary)
    -- [X] Tyr (Secondary)
    -- [X] Thor (Tertiary)
    -[X] Train the older soldiers with the same regimen that the new soldiers got. DC 60
    -- [X] Sif (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Tyr (Primary)
    -[X] Recruit more soldiers. DC 70
    -- [X] Sigyn (Primary)
    -- [X] Thor (Primary)
    -[X] Increase Support for the military. DC 40
    -- [X] Sigyn (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Thor (Secondary)
    -[X] Meet with the leaders of the Nova Corps. DC 40
    -- [X] Lorelei (Primary)
    -- [X] Amora (Tertiary)
    -[X] Meet with one of the leaders of the Nine Realms (Muspelheim, Jotunheim, Nidavellir, Vanaheim, etc.) DC ??? (Dependent on the realm)
    -- [X] Sigyn (Secondary)
    -- [X] Loki (Secondary)
    -[X] Create a factory to mass produce the new weapons from other worlds. DC 55
    -[X] Create a factory to mass produce electronics easier. DC 35
    —[x] Have a magical Forge built here in Asgard. DC ???
    -- [X] Loki (Primary)
    -[X] Create a factory to mass produce ships and current Asgardian weapons. DC 65
    -- [X] Loki (Teritary)
    -[X] Gather as much information as possible on Titan. DC ???
    -- [X] Osmond (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Volstagg (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Hogun (Primary)
    -- [X] Erling (Secondary)
    -[X] Establish an official Asgard Spy Ring. DC ???
    -- [X] Osmond (Secondary)
    -- [X] Hogun (Secondary)
    -- [X] Fandral (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Erling (Primary)
    —[x] There seems to be a disturbance... DC ???
    -- [X] Volstagg (Secondary)
    -- [X] Hogun (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Fandral (Secondary)
    -- [X] Erling (Tertiary)
    -[X] Attempt to steal/hack another world's defenses. DC 80
    -- [X] Volstagg (Primary)
    -- [X] Fandral (Primary)
    -[X] Research and experiment with only one of the vault items.
    -- [X] Tablet of Life and Time. DC 140
    -- [X] Osmond (Primary)
    -- [X] Elym (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Ylva (Primary)
    -[X] Use the Tesseract to create/power more technology. DC ???
    -- [X] Elym (Primary)
    -- [X] Ylva (Secondary)
    —[x] Reverse Engineer the technology the mercenaries brought, using what you can from the wreckage. DC 45
    -- [X] Elym (Secondary)
    -- [X] Ylva (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Eir (Tertiary)
    —[x] Create a scrying pool of sorts. To keep an eye on others. DC ???
    -- [X] Amora (Primary)
    -- [X] Lorelei (Secondary)
    -- [X] Eir (Primary)
    —[x] Use Magic to bolster Asgard's Security. DC 90
    -- [X] Amora (Secondary)
    -- [X] Lorelei (Tertiary)
    -- [X] Eir (Secondary)
    -[X] Visit Hábrók as he attempts to heal. DC 50
    -- [X] With Sigyn (Primary)
    -[X] Go visit your Mother. She's recovered, but still weak. DC 15
    —[x] Talk to Thor about his actions. DC ???
    -[X] Purchase...an army. DC ???
    -- [X] With Sigyn (Secondary)
    [X] Ask the Dwarves about making a weapon similar to Mjolnir for you. DC 60
    -- [X] Sigyn (Tertiary)
    -[X] Of course.
    -[X] Send aid
    -[X] Hear her out.
    [X] Expansion: Nova Corps
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KnowledgeKing said:
I'm not sure that makes sense under binding/sealing. To make a hammerspace.

What to you need clarification on? The Dwarves sent a distress signal out, asking for Asgard's aid/protection.
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Seal the energy onto a ring/bracelet and use it as hammerspace? (+Enchantment*)

And just wanted to know if we send aid, who and what will go to help?

* - Edit
 
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Shark8 said:
All irrelevant to the complaint that our planning sucks; yes, Thanos was a sucker-punch... but that still doesn't excuse the lack of coherent plan, does it?
To illustrate, how many turns have we had the "Attempt to go beyond mastery of Magic" and "Train your Enchantment to go beyond the beyond" options? What about expanding social-links so we can get help on the high-DC options? What about mastering Biology so we get the combat bonus?


Maybe there's another Thor/Loki quest he's reading?
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I wanted to get a weapon from the dwarves that would boost our binding. That would boost our magic score and make it more likely to pass those magic DC. It would also boost is when the fight with Thanos occurs.
 
Sanas22 said:
Seal the energy onto a ring/bracelet and use it as hammerspace? (+Enchantment*)

And just wanted to know if we send aid, who and what will go to help?
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Probably not. Maybe you could make a ring to summon stuff from an existing location. But not full on hammerspace.

You will decide what aid to send. So you decide the who and what but...well you'll see.
 
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