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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Abyssal_light said:
We are discussing plans if we have to go to war.
By starve I mean cause food shortages so thanos has deal with civil unrest instead of fighting Asgard.
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We are already doing that with the embargo, they were importing food and are now back on the brink of collapse. Well, they will be once their stores have run out next turn.
 
Darkcore41 said:
If we try that you will piss off the citizens and Thanos, he is a player on SB and has been commented as being crazy. We cannot predict crazy and we shouldn't even try, go with public sentiment until we solidified our roll. Frigga is coming back next turn to ask for advice, just do not let Thanos spank us like he is our father.
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Then we make preparations for an invasion, try to negotiate with crazy as best we can, and make sure that Thanos is the villain, not us.
 
radioxaxa said:
The point is, we need to be willing to be the King Asgard deserves.
While we shouldn't get rid of the sanctions on Titan, we should be willing to lower them.
What Thor did was wrong and we need to admit to that. If we keep the sanctions to a minimum then we could hold it over Thanos's head.
We need to make it clear too Thanos that we'll be willing to negotiate more when our parents recover, and not until then.
While we shouldn't deny war, we also shouldn't seek it out.
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Lowering them causes dissonance in Asgard. We need to keep our backyard clean and free of fire.
What Thor did is considered by us 'wrong', but according to the Asgardian populous what he did was absolutely his prerogative.
Thanos is still considering this a game, he believes that he is responsible for Asgard's rise in power. He won't budge unless he is willing to see his people suffer for a few more years.
We aren't seeking war, we are making our stance clear.
 
radioxaxa said:
Then we make preparations for an invasion, try to negotiate with crazy as best we can, and make sure that Thanos is the villain, not us.
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Thanos cannot start the war this turn, he has to take care of the sanction and damage from the attack. That is why he is trying to pressure us to lift the sanctions, he is desperate. If we force him in to war next turn he will not be ready. So he wont be stupid and he will wait and build, just like us. We will try to finish prep in 3 turns before he is ready and attack. We have more resources and stronger military then Titan at best he will use intrigue.

Edit: @KnowledgeKing Will the rebel faction gain more power if we lift sanctions?
 
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[X] No, an apology for actions that were not mine or done on my orders would be a hollow apology. I can disavow his actions but apologise for them, I'm afraid not.

[X] Thanos of Titan, I cannot hope to understand the way your mind works. I may apologize for Thor's acts, but I refuse to remove the sanctions until the king and queen have been resuscitated. Only then will my business withdraw the sanctions. You hope to teach me a lesson? Then let me teach you one. Pain begets pain.

Edit: Much better :)
 
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[X] No, an apology for actions that were not mine or done on my orders would be a hollow apology. I can disavow his actions but apologise for them, I'm afraid not.

[X] Thanos of Titan, I cannot hope to understand the way your mind works. I may apologize for Thor's acts, but I refuse to remove the sanctions until the king and queen have been resuscitated. Only then will my business withdraw the sanctions. You hope to teach me a lesson? Then let me teach you one. Pain begets pain.
 
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Edit: Sorry about that, tally was going bonkers.
Adhoc vote count started by Kufufu on Dec 20, 2019 at 4:53 PM, finished with 201 posts and 20 votes.
  • [X] Thanos of Titan, I cannot hope to understand the way your mind works. I may apologize for Thor's acts, but I refuse to remove the sanctions until the king and queen have been resuscitated. Only then will my business withdraw the sanctions. You hope to teach me a lesson? Then let me teach you one. Pain begets pain.
    [X] No, an apology for actions that were not mine or done on my orders would be a hollow apology. I can disavow his actions but apologise for them, I'm afraid not.
    [X] Yes
    [X] "Lifting them so soon would be suspicious, but my brother attacking your people shames me... I'll reduce it for now, and it'll officially be due to sympathizing with the unexpected attack on your people. The rest your people have to 'earn', so I have an official reason to remove the rest of it."
    [X] Yes, and ask if he... killed or crippled anyone.
    [X] "The sanctions will stay, albeit a bit reduced. A rebuttal for what grief you caused my parents. If only you hadn't caused them harm... maybe, things would have been different."
    [X] Write In
    [X] No
    [X] Apologise, make it clear to Thanos that if Thor makes a repeat of his actions he will be exiled from Asgard.
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KnowledgeKing said:
Probably like...220 for that size. Much more for a bigger one.
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"That size" would be referring to the movie size?
Welp that's a lot of DC... the only roadblock or so to speak to make that machine was to get an element that stabilizes the tesseract.
And why would it cost more to have it cover a bigger area? There would be literally nothing going into the machine as fuel or additional equipment?

Also, what would be the DC to use it as a railgun?
 
@KnowledgeKing How much for that shield without using the Tesseract powering it? Hydra made guns off the cube so what would it take to have a shield based on it like the guns.

Edit: can we get an option to learn magic form Amora next turn?
 
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Can we give Thor a reason you suck speech for being a buffoon next turn?

Cite us being the smarter brother, graduating at the top of Thor's class, and give him a lecture.
 
Sanas22 said:
"That size" would be referring to the movie size?
Welp that's a lot of DC... the only roadblock or so to speak to make that machine was to get an element that stabilizes the tesseract.
And why would it cost more to have it cover a bigger area? There would be literally nothing going into the machine as fuel or additional equipment?

Also, what would be the DC to use it as a railgun?
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Why a rail-gun? Why not an energy blast or a teleport for the army to go past his defenses?
We should put Elm on making it, because we know a teleporter is possible even without the space stone.
 
[X] No, an apology for actions that were not mine or done on my orders would be a hollow apology. I can disavow his actions but apologise for them, I'm afraid not.

[X] Thanos of Titan, I cannot hope to understand the way your mind works. I may apologize for Thor's acts, but I refuse to remove the sanctions until the king and queen have been resuscitated. Only then will my business withdraw the sanctions. You hope to teach me a lesson? Then let me teach you one. Pain begets pain.
 
@KnowledgeKing

Can we do these Two stewardship actions next turn:

Start a census Bureau to get a better idea and grasp on Asgard finances and general statistics

Create video production and distribution network for news "state media"

Then we can use the stats from the census on our news to make people like Loki more than Thor.

Also can have Amora flexing glory so she is satiated with popularity.
 
Sanas22 said:
"That size" would be referring to the movie size?
Welp that's a lot of DC... the only roadblock or so to speak to make that machine was to get an element that stabilizes the tesseract.
And why would it cost more to have it cover a bigger area? There would be literally nothing going into the machine as fuel or additional equipment?

Also, what would be the DC to use it as a railgun?
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Bigger area means different/more capable parts that can project the energy that far.

How would you use the Tesseract as a railgun?

Darkcore41 said:
@KnowledgeKing How much for that shield without using the Tesseract powering it? Hydra made guns off the cube so what would it take to have a shield based on it like the guns.

Edit: can we get an option to learn magic form Amora next turn?
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The same. It wouldn't be as powerful though.

You can try/ask her.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Edit: @Red Bovine we are not acting as though we know which one is worse. We are just prioritising our people and power base first instead of losing everything by compromising or ignoring our own people. We are king, that doesn't mean we make choices for the people. No that means we make choices by the will of the people.
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Yes you are. You are even fear mongering by making shit up like saying that we will definitely face a rebellion by lifting sanctions when the QM said that that was probably not going to happen. And that's the thing, you make shit up and use manipulation to get people to vote the way you want them and that is just being extremely deceitful and dishonest. You are basically purposely misleading people in a vote with misleading information.

Honestly I find the fear mongering disingenuous since it seems like you can't win an argument without legit and sound reasoning. And no, you are the only player on this thread who I find does that.

As for the compromise thing going to point out that once again you are nitpicking and acting like that was the main reason for the Amora thing while ignoring a ton of other factors, again.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Yes you are. You are even fear mongering by making shit up like saying that we will definitely face a rebellion by lifting sanctions when the QM said that that was probably not going to happen. And that's the thing, you make shit up and use manipulation to get people to vote the way you want them and that is just being extremely deceitful and dishonest. You are basically purposely misleading people in a vote with misleading information.

Honestly I find the fear mongering disingenuous since it seems like you can't win an argument without legit and sound reasoning. And no, you are the only player on this thread who I find does that.

As for the compromise thing going to point out that once again you are nitpicking and acting like that was the main reason for the Amora thing while ignoring a ton of other factors, again.
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Its is funny you say that when you were making up the Thor killed civilians and that Thanos will attack us if we don't give in. Isn't that fear mongering and manipulating too, it's like you can not win on logic. Don't throw stones in a glass house.
 
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