- Location
- USA
One issue is I don't know if we can put our 5 extra actions anywhere in any combination like you have here.
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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)
- Thread starter Black King
- Start date
- Location
- Bulgaria
[x] Genius, trillionaire, philanthropist
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
Sure.
He's unavailable at the time.
You'll vote on it.
Yes
Kufufu
Adequate at best
- Location
- What's it to ya?
I can understand the economy bit with us being a stewardship hero and all but why would we care about anything else? We are raised Asgardian, our Mother Father and Brother are Asgardians. our Lover is and Asgardian and we live in Asgard.
There isn't a single reason for us to be intrested in Jotan culture and they are apart of Asgards kingdom, so we likely already know of it anyway.
Your are proposing a massive AP expenditure over several turns to get flavor text that will never be relevant to the quest again.
Only trillionaire? We should aim higher. Much higher....
- Location
- United states
Don't think that the other worlds of the 9 are actually Odin's 'property considering that he doesn't really do much/interact with the likes of Midgard and I'd think that if he tried to make such a claim in say the modern MCU than don't think that the natives would be thrilled about it. Not to mention that what she was doing wasn't technically illegal and that he tried to have her arrested because he viewed her as a threat. This despite the fact that she was close friends with Loki and Thor and wasn't actually planning to do anything but play goddess on a backwater world and that it was noted by others that he did fuck up by how he handled things and probably could have avoided the whole mess by having Loki talk to her and explain the issues and/or convince to just do her goddess thing anywhere else but the Nine Realms at which point Odin couldn't care less with.
Odin has a serious issue with communicating with people that leads to problems that could have been avoided otherwise even when it makes a lot of sense to talk about after a certain point. Like the whole Loki being a frost giant. I'm honestly surprised that he hasn't brought it up in this quest considering that at the moment it likely would not cause any problems with how close they are, Loki lacking any serious issues and it being likely that it may come out at a really bad time. I mean really, we have literal frost giants who seem to suspect Loki may be one of them and the whole fire issue and the fact that really, nothing is stopping him from examining his hand and learning his heritage that way. Which makes way less sense when you take into account that he planned on Loki becoming King of the Jotun and how at the moment he is one of the most successful and richest beings in probably the galaxy. Not helped at all that he banned Loki from forging because of his fire weakness and yet still decided not to bring it up despite how Loki could still do other things that involve fire.
I mean the hell Odin? Is it really that hard to have a conversation with your kid when it's actually really important and something that he should really know about?
This.
I have absolutely no idea why people are so focused on that "Jotun heritage". What good will it do? It's an unnecessary action sink that will probably become irrelevant anyway.
We are Asgardian. The knowledge that we were born Jotun is trivia at best.
- Location
- United states
Because some people think it would be an interesting thing narrative and story wise to look into? Including potentially becoming King and how it is going to be relevant since Odin's entire reason for adopting us was to take the Jotun Throne?
- Location
- California
@Nystical
@Darkcore41
With the QM saying that we can learn Economics and Finance, perhaps we could take a Learning Action to Learn Something New to get them. It does seem like Loki could be helped by knowing more about it.
@Darkcore41
With the QM saying that we can learn Economics and Finance, perhaps we could take a Learning Action to Learn Something New to get them. It does seem like Loki could be helped by knowing more about it.
- Location
- USA
We aren't just some random jotun but the son of the Jotun king. We have a claim to the throne.
But if people really want to, I can change the learning action to the write in of learning finance stufd that was just approves by the QM
@KnowledgeKing
Are we allowed to put our extra 5 actions anywhere like the trillionaire plan (putting +3 in stewardship for 6 stewardship actions), or not?
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- Location
- The West Marches
I would classify it as mastering a subject. We have been using the knowledge we had on economics to establish a company and continually expand it. If at this point we should still consider it a new subject that would be... absurd.
- Location
- United states
But shouldn't we already have those skills considering that we have extremely high stewardship and those are just really basic subjects in regards to running a business? Honestly that just seems to be adding more skills that aren't necessary and would make sense to already have in regards to the Stewardship stat.
- Location
- United states
But the fighting is done with Thor and he doesn't actually plan on messing with us anymore.
- Location
- The West Marches
And yet it is still an option highlighted by the QM. As such I assume there's at least still some tension that would prevent a better relationship hereon out.
- Location
- New Mexico
I agree; there's very little reason IC to look into Jotun heritage, we utterly failed on our attempt to learn anything that would go on that path.
Perhaps a better option, would be to "augment" the Make Peace With Thor option; we could, say, enchant a cloak for him: something that would offer protection against the elements, which would fit right into Thor's Adventurer! theme while at the same time practicing our enchanting abilities.
I think you're messing the point here: this isn't about him simply "not messing with us", it's about making real strides toward friendship — IOW, we have a chance to get close to the MCU Ragnarok/Infinity-War relationship [or better] right now.
- Location
- USA
I like this plan, but I don't know if it's legal.
Assuming something in the quest changed, suddenly allowing us to now put our 5 extra actions into any category in any configuration, here is a suggestion to improve it:
We already have a Vanaheim branch according to the character sheet.
I think if we want to go full trading empire as you suggest, we should pick the "buy an army" (in reality, more like buy a navy) so we have a massive trading fleet that we can use ourselves to transport merchandise and guard our assets.
Should our life be dictated by what Odin wants?
I just don't consider Jotunheim to be all that interesting story wise... We can just as well buy a planet and become it's king. Or better yet some better term than "king". That's so archaic, especially on a cosmic scale.
- Location
- California
It is not that absurd as I believe that there are lots of people who have made successful businesses without a keen understanding of economics or finance- it could be instinct or luck. I just read the two times Phoenix blew up and Loki's lack of knowledge as an example of it.
Thus my question:
And the answer:
- Location
- The West Marches
@KnowledgeKing
How many different categories do we need to spread the bonus actions out on?
Do we have other branches than the one on Asgard?
What do we actually physically need to protect? In my mind I'm picturing us having one central location where most of the company business is conducted, and renting office spaces across the galaxy at this point. Is most of it digital or do we transport valuables/currency on trade ships?
Do we need to take the bury the hatchet action in diplomacy to move ahead with improving our relationship with Thor?
If we improve our relationship with him now could he become our martial advisor?
How many different categories do we need to spread the bonus actions out on?
Do we have other branches than the one on Asgard?
What do we actually physically need to protect? In my mind I'm picturing us having one central location where most of the company business is conducted, and renting office spaces across the galaxy at this point. Is most of it digital or do we transport valuables/currency on trade ships?
Do we need to take the bury the hatchet action in diplomacy to move ahead with improving our relationship with Thor?
If we improve our relationship with him now could he become our martial advisor?
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- Location
- United states
That's not what I meant. I was refferring to people saying us beign Jotun wouldn't be relevant despite the fact that it does play a major role in our backstory. Also some of us do find becoming King of Jotenheim interesting, at least more so than just becoming the King of some planet that we just bought.
- Location
- USA
Considering build a kingdom is its own option I'm almost certain by a planet has to imply that we would need to build the institutions and attract people to the planet before they're actually be any society to rule over we basically just getting empty Planet if we just bought planet
- Location
- Fifth Dimension
Yes.
Your choice.
No.
The money people pay to you once they pay you back, and the money you lend to them in the first place. Also the currency for the currency exchange.
No.
You can ask.
- Location
- United States
[x] Genius, trillionaire, philanthropist
- Location
- New Mexico
Well, it doesn't look like my other plan's getting much traction, so I decided to make another -- this time focusing on magic.
Here are our current stats.
Martial: 30 (-2) — Planetary
Diplomacy: 18 — Heroic
Stewardship: 35 — Galactic
Intrigue: 24 — Planetary
Learning: 20 — Planetary
Magic: 15.5 — Heroic
If we can bump Diplomacy up 2, we'll be Planetary level. I'd like to get Learning up, but Intrigue is much closer; even more than Learning is Magic though, we're only Heroic there and need 4.5 to get to Planetary. Even more: there are a lot of things that can open up with some investment into magic: (1) we can incorporate it into our combat suite, (2) we can use enchantment to gear-up and to implement more sophisticated bindings, (3) these in particular sound awesome, but we need to bump our magic up before attempting them:
— Train your Enchantment to go beyond the beyond. At least in skill/knowledge. DC 130
— Attempt to go beyond mastery of Magic. DC 130
In this plan we're also backing Osmond with his lab, and enlisting the aid of Sigyn with making Peace with Thor as well as helping us study to [hopefully] master Biology, since we get a good combat bonus from Biology.
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[x] Master of Magic (pt. 1)
Martial (1+0)
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[x] Magic:
- [x] Try to incorporate your magic into your fighting
-- [x] Binding/Sealing DC 90 Martial, DC 80 Learning
Diplomacy (1+0)
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[x] Make Peace with Thor. Once and for all. DC 50
- [x] With Sigyn (Secondary)
Stewardship (3+1)
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[x] Improve Security at Phoenix Financial. DC 60
[x] Build Osmond his lab. DC 50
- [x] With Osmond (Primary)
[x] Purchase materials for a Forge. DC 30 Intrigue. DC 15
[x] Make another Workshop of some kind.
- [x] An Enchantment workshop
Intrigue (1+0)
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[x] Discern the different technologies used by these other planets outside of the Nine Realms. DC ???
Learning (1+2)
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[x] See if you could build your own forge! (non-magical) DC 20 Intrigue. DC 100
[x] Have Osmond tutor you/explain his methods and thoughts of science to you. DC 60
[x] Visit the Library
- [x] Try to become a master at a field
-- [x] Biology. DC 130
- [x] With Sigyn (Primary)
Magic (1+2)
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[x] Test your Forging Magic. DC 40 Intrigue. DC 45
[x] Try mixing different magics in an experiment. DC 75
[x] Train your current magic(s). Strengthen them. DC 85
Personal (1+0) [max 5]
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[x] Try to further master your magic you discovered. DC 55
(I am assuming the Max 5 means at most, not a "pick 4 or 5")
Other:
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Osmond has an idea he wants to share with Loki
[x] Hear him out
Sigyn wants to spend time with Loki
[x] Yes
Frigga wishes to speak with Loki.
[x] Accept.
Here are our current stats.
Martial: 30 (-2) — Planetary
Diplomacy: 18 — Heroic
Stewardship: 35 — Galactic
Intrigue: 24 — Planetary
Learning: 20 — Planetary
Magic: 15.5 — Heroic
If we can bump Diplomacy up 2, we'll be Planetary level. I'd like to get Learning up, but Intrigue is much closer; even more than Learning is Magic though, we're only Heroic there and need 4.5 to get to Planetary. Even more: there are a lot of things that can open up with some investment into magic: (1) we can incorporate it into our combat suite, (2) we can use enchantment to gear-up and to implement more sophisticated bindings, (3) these in particular sound awesome, but we need to bump our magic up before attempting them:
— Train your Enchantment to go beyond the beyond. At least in skill/knowledge. DC 130
— Attempt to go beyond mastery of Magic. DC 130
In this plan we're also backing Osmond with his lab, and enlisting the aid of Sigyn with making Peace with Thor as well as helping us study to [hopefully] master Biology, since we get a good combat bonus from Biology.
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[x] Master of Magic (pt. 1)
Martial (1+0)
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[x] Magic:
- [x] Try to incorporate your magic into your fighting
-- [x] Binding/Sealing DC 90 Martial, DC 80 Learning
Diplomacy (1+0)
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[x] Make Peace with Thor. Once and for all. DC 50
- [x] With Sigyn (Secondary)
Stewardship (3+1)
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[x] Improve Security at Phoenix Financial. DC 60
[x] Build Osmond his lab. DC 50
- [x] With Osmond (Primary)
[x] Purchase materials for a Forge. DC 30 Intrigue. DC 15
[x] Make another Workshop of some kind.
- [x] An Enchantment workshop
Intrigue (1+0)
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[x] Discern the different technologies used by these other planets outside of the Nine Realms. DC ???
Learning (1+2)
---------------
[x] See if you could build your own forge! (non-magical) DC 20 Intrigue. DC 100
[x] Have Osmond tutor you/explain his methods and thoughts of science to you. DC 60
[x] Visit the Library
- [x] Try to become a master at a field
-- [x] Biology. DC 130
- [x] With Sigyn (Primary)
Magic (1+2)
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[x] Test your Forging Magic. DC 40 Intrigue. DC 45
[x] Try mixing different magics in an experiment. DC 75
[x] Train your current magic(s). Strengthen them. DC 85
Personal (1+0) [max 5]
---------------
[x] Try to further master your magic you discovered. DC 55
(I am assuming the Max 5 means at most, not a "pick 4 or 5")
Other:
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Osmond has an idea he wants to share with Loki
[x] Hear him out
Sigyn wants to spend time with Loki
[x] Yes
Frigga wishes to speak with Loki.
[x] Accept.
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