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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
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Avernus Daemonvores
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One and Many
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- Malaysia
Avernus Daemonvores
Many creatures on Avernus eat souls/daemons (See: Sirens, Ammut Crocodiles, others), in addition to being adept against daemons in some manner such as in banishing them. While once again unprecedented, it should be of no surprise that Avernus has species which prey-near exclusively on Daemons and likely other Warp Entities as well.
Souldews
Bearing superficial resemblance to the Genus Drosera (Sundews), the Souldew genus is the classification of Avernus Daemonvorous plants which attract daemons by 'hanging' the appearance of vulnerable and powerful souls in the warp i.e an untrained psyker. When a daemon attempts to use the soul as a portal into the materium/attempts to consume it, they quickly find forced into the materium and then 'entangled' in the Souldew's complex psychic-trapping mechanism, which appears to have a function similar to the daemon-binding/summoning circles used by chaos sorcerers. (More study needed)
Regardless, if the daemon is unable to escape the Souldew's entrapment, it will find itself slowly devoured by the plant in totality, a 'True Death': Indeed, a daemon so entrapped has as it's only hope to banish itself in some manner, an action made exceedingly difficult by the Souldew's capability to extensively interfere* and bind with it's victim**: Both psychic powers and physical movement is near-impossible to manage for daemons of insufficient power. Souldews prey on a range of Lesser Daemons; Greater Daemons of all sorts are generally able to escape or destroy the Souldew plant in some manner.
*Appears to be a more advanced/extensive variant of the Spiderbane Dragonfly's stunning mechanism.
**According to psykers, the closest approximation is a mousetrap, but from the warp to the materium.
Rift-Trappers Trees
In contrast to Souldews, the Rift-Trapper genus instead appears to be active daemon-summoning ritual. They bear a superficial resemblance to Pitcher plants, but are far larger. Their entire structure appears to facilitate the invocation to summon a daemon (strength and god varies by species, usually upper end of lesser daemons to weaker end of greater daemon). Upon the Daemon's summoning, directly into the 'Pitcher' of the Rift-Trapper, where they are immediately bound and entrapped. Simultaneously, the summoning structures of the Rift-Trapper disconnect; No daemon-summoning takes place.
After the summoning and entrapment of the daemon, it is subject as in the Souldew to psychically-digestive juices and subject to a slow digestion process, from months to years. At the end of this stage, the Daemon may, depending on species, be reused as bait for daemon-summoning or simply subject to a True Death via consumption. Rift-Trapper Trees are extremely precise in countermeasures in the binding of daemons from a god; An Angyl-Hunting plant fares very poorly if a Khornate daemon is summoned somehow.
Nullhide Wolves
Nullhide wolves are veritable daemon-hunting monsters, with a powerful Pariah warp presence hidden by their hide, which appears to muffle their anti-psychic presence in a manner similar to the Animus Battle-Helm used by Culexus Assassins. Nullhide wolves hunt in packs, invisible to daemons and witch-sight. Upon finding a Daemon, they assault in synchronicity, surprising and rapidly tearing even Greater Daemons to shreds with their soul-shearing/consuming jaws which appear to fully channel their Blankness in full force to whatever is unfortunate to be attacked by a pack of Nullhide Wolves.
Somewhat similar to Daemons, Nullhide Wolves are attracted to psychic emanations of all sorts. How exactly they do this, and their supernatural synchronicity with one another has been the subject of much speculation. In any event, Nullhide Wolves can be found wherever the veil of the Immaterium is weak, and are also capable of hibernating for extended periods with no apparent consequence (It is suggested that they are largely more mechanical than biological).
@Durin
Many creatures on Avernus eat souls/daemons (See: Sirens, Ammut Crocodiles, others), in addition to being adept against daemons in some manner such as in banishing them. While once again unprecedented, it should be of no surprise that Avernus has species which prey-near exclusively on Daemons and likely other Warp Entities as well.
Souldews
Bearing superficial resemblance to the Genus Drosera (Sundews), the Souldew genus is the classification of Avernus Daemonvorous plants which attract daemons by 'hanging' the appearance of vulnerable and powerful souls in the warp i.e an untrained psyker. When a daemon attempts to use the soul as a portal into the materium/attempts to consume it, they quickly find forced into the materium and then 'entangled' in the Souldew's complex psychic-trapping mechanism, which appears to have a function similar to the daemon-binding/summoning circles used by chaos sorcerers. (More study needed)
Regardless, if the daemon is unable to escape the Souldew's entrapment, it will find itself slowly devoured by the plant in totality, a 'True Death': Indeed, a daemon so entrapped has as it's only hope to banish itself in some manner, an action made exceedingly difficult by the Souldew's capability to extensively interfere* and bind with it's victim**: Both psychic powers and physical movement is near-impossible to manage for daemons of insufficient power. Souldews prey on a range of Lesser Daemons; Greater Daemons of all sorts are generally able to escape or destroy the Souldew plant in some manner.
*Appears to be a more advanced/extensive variant of the Spiderbane Dragonfly's stunning mechanism.
**According to psykers, the closest approximation is a mousetrap, but from the warp to the materium.
Rift-Trappers Trees
In contrast to Souldews, the Rift-Trapper genus instead appears to be active daemon-summoning ritual. They bear a superficial resemblance to Pitcher plants, but are far larger. Their entire structure appears to facilitate the invocation to summon a daemon (strength and god varies by species, usually upper end of lesser daemons to weaker end of greater daemon). Upon the Daemon's summoning, directly into the 'Pitcher' of the Rift-Trapper, where they are immediately bound and entrapped. Simultaneously, the summoning structures of the Rift-Trapper disconnect; No daemon-summoning takes place.
After the summoning and entrapment of the daemon, it is subject as in the Souldew to psychically-digestive juices and subject to a slow digestion process, from months to years. At the end of this stage, the Daemon may, depending on species, be reused as bait for daemon-summoning or simply subject to a True Death via consumption. Rift-Trapper Trees are extremely precise in countermeasures in the binding of daemons from a god; An Angyl-Hunting plant fares very poorly if a Khornate daemon is summoned somehow.
Nullhide Wolves
Nullhide wolves are veritable daemon-hunting monsters, with a powerful Pariah warp presence hidden by their hide, which appears to muffle their anti-psychic presence in a manner similar to the Animus Battle-Helm used by Culexus Assassins. Nullhide wolves hunt in packs, invisible to daemons and witch-sight. Upon finding a Daemon, they assault in synchronicity, surprising and rapidly tearing even Greater Daemons to shreds with their soul-shearing/consuming jaws which appear to fully channel their Blankness in full force to whatever is unfortunate to be attacked by a pack of Nullhide Wolves.
Somewhat similar to Daemons, Nullhide Wolves are attracted to psychic emanations of all sorts. How exactly they do this, and their supernatural synchronicity with one another has been the subject of much speculation. In any event, Nullhide Wolves can be found wherever the veil of the Immaterium is weak, and are also capable of hibernating for extended periods with no apparent consequence (It is suggested that they are largely more mechanical than biological).
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@Enjou the Automate tithe Another action takes 5 years and i am doing so we can automate the building of the Mobile Research Platforms. The point of doing it is so we can explore the north. We need a 12 to safely do it. We will have built 6 with the 1 action you are taking
Divinig the Lion is getting the location of someone who will nevertalk to his brothers on his own. He is too proud , has terrible people skills, and arrogant. The last time he saw Guilliman was when Guilliman kicked him out of Secundus fro committing war crimes trying to kill Konrad. The Lion is big on any means necessary to win. He would strange enough like Rotbart with his high military skill and ruthless trait.
Divinig the Lion is getting the location of someone who will nevertalk to his brothers on his own. He is too proud , has terrible people skills, and arrogant. The last time he saw Guilliman was when Guilliman kicked him out of Secundus fro committing war crimes trying to kill Konrad. The Lion is big on any means necessary to win. He would strange enough like Rotbart with his high military skill and ruthless trait.
- Location
- Lowton
[X] Plan Nurgle T140
We are not doing any exploration actions any time soon. Getting the larger Titan factory and AM forge sooner are more important to get done sooner. The automated fortress construction can be done later.
The Lion is maintaining his secrecy for a reason, and any efforts we make to find and contact him will risk that secrecy. Yes, he is proud, but he's still a master strategist and whatever his plan is will probably be for the good of the galaxy. We have zero indications he needs or wants help, and frankly I don't think he'd appreciate our efforts.
Leave the Lion be. He will reveal himself when he's damn well ready, and on his terms.
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- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
[X] Plan Enjou T141
I mostly like these action choices.
Though the number is a turn ahead for some reason
I mostly like these action choices.
Though the number is a turn ahead for some reason
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- Location
- Omniverse #1345
The entire point of the action is so we can automate future exploring and not need to take any actions for it.
If Rids divinations are compromised - which is what you are suggesting with this - we are already beyond fucked.
You may have explained this before, but I don't read every post...
Why are you Sounding Out foreign polities on Gubernaturial Succession? Surely that's an internal matter and none of their business. Nurgle's plan to sound out relevant factions of the Avernus leadership to get their take makes a lot more sense to me.
We can explore safely when we have 12 mobile research facilities. That is the reason I am lobbying for them. Without them we will have to send the army in who will loose people and veterans we cannot afford to. With 12 we can send them north and not send the army so we can meet the Penguins during or right after the time skip. We need to meet them for many reasons but I want to so we can make new navigators.
the issue with the Huge Grand Cathedral is that we don't need it in the short term. Yes the long term benefits are amazing and I acknowledge that. We have over 2 million AM saved up and it will not bring down unrest. So let's put it off till next turn meaning we can expand a large forge hive to a huge forge hive this turn. It has the added benefits of keeping Rosa off Avernus for a few more decades and we get another Huge Forge Hive started.
the Lion has always been secretive and distrusting of others. He had a huge problem of not telling others his plans during the Crusade and during the Heresy. The way the Dark Angels operate without telling anyone else anything is the same way they have always operated. Also the last time he saw his brothers is when he failed to save the Emperor, because in his mind he was responsible for not stopping Horus and the whole heresy. The primarchs have proven to be all too humans with flaws and foibles that anyone has, sometimes more in the cases of certain primarchs. The Lion will never seek his brothers out because of shame, regret and self doubt.
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Yeah that is my fault I had to catch a flight to Dallas these morning and used a old template.
I am sorry guys for my mistake.
- Location
- Leicester UK
There is no suggestion that Rids is compromised whatsoever, Klovis isn't keeping the details of his scheme from us because he thinks we are compromised, it's just simple need to know policy.
No, it's to reduce casualties taken during exploration. It was never said the exploration itself would not cost an action, I believe.
Regardless, we still don't need to do any exploration any time soon - we are not in any shape to colonize a new region, and won't be for many decades. It can wait.
It's not just Rids. Nurgle is suggesting we actually use the information to try and contact Lion. That risks his secrecy. We can't act on information about the Lion without risking his secrecy, so the information isn't actionable IMO. So we're better off doing something else.
The entire point of the action is to get information on other succession systems for their Governors - it's not giving them any say, just looking at their systems to see what is good and bad about them, what historical problems they have had, etc. Then, with that information in hand, we can start talking to our own people.
We can't really start colonization of a new region for several decades right now, so even exploration is premature. It can wait until the next Titan factory level finishes.
Meanwhile, increased AM production reduces our reliance on foreign trade, and increases the amount of AM available to the Trust as a whole. With the Dragon's Nest merger that's going to be needed, as we have a lot of worlds needing upgrades.
No, he's not perfect, but the Lion is still a brilliant strategist. I think we're better off not barging into whatever his plans are, if he feels the need to go to the extremes he is to keep things secret.
The point of the Anothers isn't to expand into a new region, it's so we can make contact with the Penguins and get our grubby mitts on the Navigator fish plus whatever other knowledge they are willing to trade. I don't think anyone is saying we're ready to expand but we do need at the very least that fish.
Even if you aren't willing to do another xenos trade the Inquisition already Okay'd trading some Grey Knights techniques to the Penguins for the fish way back when.
Durin has previously said we'd need to get the tundra region colonized before we could contact the penguins. Has that changed?
Maybe you should make that explicit in the vote text then. Remember durin issued a very specific warning not to depend on him remembering context from thread discussion and that details of what we're trying to achieve from diplomatic actions should be made very explicit in the text of the vote itself.
Because it's very easy to read the vote as you wrote it and come up with, "We're asking them what form of government they think we should have." Your "gather information" interpretation needs to be explained in the vote itself.
This is entirely based on the
This is entirely based on an action provided by Durin:
Gubernatorial Succession: Sound Out (Selected group)- In your argument with Tormod he made the point that currently the only governmental post on Avernus that is hereditary is the Governorship. This is both a potential fracture point and a potential source of disaster if one of your descendants ends up incompetent. Maye it might be a good idea to talk to some people about other forms of succesion, and choose one for Avernus.
Time: 1 year
Cost: Free
Reward: Sound out selected group about possible forms of succession for Avernus.
What I remember is that woman telling us we'd have to make contact on our own and we can't just send her to make contact. That's all the firmness on this I got.
I'll ask if the research stations suffice for making contact.
Edit: And it has been asked.
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That was 2 years (maybe 3) ago and when I asked a year ago he said explore so I will ask him.
Yes, and it's non-obvious that it's supposed to apply to other worlds rather than "some people" being important factions on Avernus who actually have the right to weigh in.
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Look, could you please just edit your explanation into the vote for my peace of mind? I'm not even asking you to change anything at all; just add some text that may or may not need to be there for explanation. It'll take you like 30 seconds and again, isn't actually changing the vote but just adding a statement clarifying your own intent.
Dynamesmouse
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@Nurgle, @Enjou
There's a paragon telepath on a Black Ship headed our way. She's a friend of Ridcully and can use some help getting here.
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Also, Discord has some interest in alkehestery boosted witchfinders. Each psyker we find early is less witches we have to kill. The Nynye owe us 3 supersoldiers for over paying on tech trades.
There's a paragon telepath on a Black Ship headed our way. She's a friend of Ridcully and can use some help getting here.
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Also, Discord has some interest in alkehestery boosted witchfinders. Each psyker we find early is less witches we have to kill. The Nynye owe us 3 supersoldiers for over paying on tech trades.
We have 2 supersoldier projects and 1 Titant project banked with them. Also improving our Major Psykers is in the cards which sounds far more interesting, personally.
- Location
- madison
That's not how need to know works. What the lion is up to would likely go into our vault, the vault that the alpha legion almost got into that one time. We would not expose him, but given the level of thing looking to him us knowing would make him less secure.