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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
- Start date
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- Middlesbrough
[X] Plan Shard Runeplan
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- Spain
[X] Plan Shard Runeplan
Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Armor formula is
1/(1+MAX(0,2-AP/Armor,Armor-AP, Armor(Armor-2.5AP), Armor^2 (Armor-5AP), Armor^3(Armor-10*AP)))^1.5
To get maximum damage you want AP = Armor*2, at which their armor does nothing.
If a Last Hunter has been caught they are going to die, Toughness Rune or no Toughness Rune. They are specced for Sniping. Their targets in war are Warbosses, Heroes and Champions, all of which will have specced for having enemies' best possible armor.
If they are in a situation where Rune of Toughness matters chances are that they are already dead. They are not melee people. You ever see us put Last Hunters in Power Armor?
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
OBJECTION! They wear Recon Advanced Power Armor!
Which is of course the lighter, less armored Power Armor. The Last Hunters aren't meant to get into slugfests, they're meant to strike fast and hard from stealth, preferably killing the enemy with total surprise. Their primary opponents are the Chaotic Psykers that show up on Avernus, which will tend to be squishy but dangerous if they get awareness. If they do get awareness, the Last Hunter probably dies, and Toughness runes won't help too much given the light power armor.
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- United States of America, Michigan
NotteBoy said:
Durin said:
So yeah Last Hunters really shouldn't be getting hit in the first place so giving them the ability to better take a hit seems suboptimal at best
So all the time on Avernus than, ok got it.
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- Earth
Well, most of the time. It probably doesn't work when say, an ambushed Hellguard champion, is beating the stuffing out of his attacker, mechanically represented by rolling a nat 100. There simply is no need for a reroll.
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- United States of America, Michigan
[X] Plan Shard Runeplan
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
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- Berkeley
Luck Runes for Last Hunters would help them, yeah, but they would literally cost 30k credits (20 base, 100x for master, 15x for size multiplier)—that's above 1/5 of our total budget for this, and well beyond what I feel the benefits would be.
Also, I know our research queue is super backed up, but we should totally look into designing a relic-quality stealth power armor pattern, sorta like a Terminator equivalent for our sneaky dudes. A large enough portion of our heroes and top tier elites are stealth focused for it to be valuable, and Tranth is absurdly good at both stealth tech and power armor.
Also, I know our research queue is super backed up, but we should totally look into designing a relic-quality stealth power armor pattern, sorta like a Terminator equivalent for our sneaky dudes. A large enough portion of our heroes and top tier elites are stealth focused for it to be valuable, and Tranth is absurdly good at both stealth tech and power armor.
John Masaki
The Guy With the Lightsaber
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- Atlantis
Man. I haven't seen tension like this in a while!
Hmm...I'm going to go with...
[x] Plan Shard Runeplan
Hmm...I'm going to go with...
[x] Plan Shard Runeplan
sabreFather
Dr Pepper is the flavour that I savour
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- Land of Bears and Loggers AKA Oregon
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- western US
you make good point about the steath power armor.
our assasin units could also benifit and we could give a rune-enhanced version to our grandmaster pysker units (or whatever the guys we recently unlocked at grandmaster level...pretty sure they are steath units...right? regardless, I think grand-master level stuff, the guys that number in the hundreds can totally be given relic-quality, rune-enchanced power armor without it being unaffordable)
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- Berkeley
I was deliberately leaving it vague in composition as we don't have the resources for it to be worthwhile to make relic level armor for every situation. Ideally there would be one sort of high-tier stealth armor for extremely important 'they see me I'm dead' type missions that's super light on armor and weapon enhancements to put all resources into stealth, another that's more a direct upgrade to our current recon armor that is even more stealthy and even better for fighting for people like Xavier and Vlad who operate independently but can survive being detected, and then even another that just has its stealth capabilities high enough to match current recon suits and pours everything else into being better in a fight. Unfortunately it looks like a one size fits all approach is the only thing we can possibly afford, and I think it would be better to leave it to Durin to decide where on the stealthy-fighty continuum to put it—especially if the chrono rewinder device can be incorporated.
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- western US
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- Berkeley
99% chance the answer is going to be the joint Munitorum/Explorator concept/feasibility study action to find out.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
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dragon
Ancalagon the Black
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- The Skies of Arda
[X] Plan Rune Up!
iirc all the helguard have fire runes (and maybe banishment runes), the black irons definitely have fire and banishment. our primaris have wards, along with power weapons that help them channel, our master psyker/witch hunters have wards, banishment, and fire(being equipped like helguard).
Really, what we're lacking is the absolute top-line runes for our heroes(which both plans get) and making runes more widely available to lower tier troops. I don't want to over focus, or double up on runes for our elites (aside from the heroes) because we already have domestic rune production dedicated to them.
Especially on the stuff we aren't really making right now, like toughness, damage, piercing.
Edit: the runes for psychic/witch hunters is my biggest problem with this plan. i'm not sure how siren apprentice wards stack up against our basic warding, or how our banishment rune compares to their banishment rune. Presumably, it's better or it wouldn't be on the shopping list. Or at least it frees up our rune makers to produce other things.
iirc all the helguard have fire runes (and maybe banishment runes), the black irons definitely have fire and banishment. our primaris have wards, along with power weapons that help them channel, our master psyker/witch hunters have wards, banishment, and fire(being equipped like helguard).
Really, what we're lacking is the absolute top-line runes for our heroes(which both plans get) and making runes more widely available to lower tier troops. I don't want to over focus, or double up on runes for our elites (aside from the heroes) because we already have domestic rune production dedicated to them.
Especially on the stuff we aren't really making right now, like toughness, damage, piercing.
Edit: the runes for psychic/witch hunters is my biggest problem with this plan. i'm not sure how siren apprentice wards stack up against our basic warding, or how our banishment rune compares to their banishment rune. Presumably, it's better or it wouldn't be on the shopping list. Or at least it frees up our rune makers to produce other things.
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Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Even Apprentice Runes are better than what we do. We don't have Damage or Piercing Runes access. Our runecrafters are pretty limited in both quantity and skill, but are able to mass produce Runes on the scale of the Black Irons at least. (The Sirens don't have enough people to mass produce, but even their apprentices are better than what we have.)