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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Apr 10, 2019 at 9:14 AM, finished with 45 posts and 20 votes.
  • [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
    -[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
    -[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
    [X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
    -[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 1
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Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Apr 10, 2019 at 3:31 PM, finished with 123946 posts and 31 votes.
  • [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
    -[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
    -[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
    [X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
    -[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
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@Durin
1. Could we get a quick recap on Avernus Population Capacity and Avernus Current Population?
2. Uhh, are we overdue for either a fourth psyker student city or psyker hive? I notice our Trainees+Minor Psykers is greater than 1.5 Million..
 
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What was that failed leader roll for? The opposition to the Autarch being selected for command?
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
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ok ignoring that vote one is supported by the conservatives and be the first vote we vote against our allies in i don't know how long. We have more problems than just the Tryanids and a Waagh. While dragon's nest has spies the trust has spies literally from the Alpha legion. Eventually if we are successful we will get a chaos warband coming to get our tech. Before people say I am insane or that will not happen. The Trust is becoming famous enough that the galatic powers are starting to notice. While I believe that the Eldar will do everything they can, well eventually we will need more military. Durin has said that combining with the dragon's nest and giving them all our technology would quadruple what military power we have. That's 160,000 escorts, 28,000 capital ships, 600 battleships 16 command ships and 8 dreadnoughts. In ship capacity alone.

We need to get dragon's nest to start upgrading thier tech now. We have 2 actual threats that can kill us right now and several Long term threats. Besides the secondary galatic powers noticing us we have a large Abomination power 1000's of light years south east of us. The Dark Imperium to the north of us. And again the Alpha legion sending spies against us. We need to quit thinking conservatively.

Let's go to the fact that most of the people who vote against us are voting for option 1 and all our political allies are voting for option 2. When has Surt been wrong? The guy is trained by a AI. Chapter Master Julius is voting for number 2. Aelfric the oldest and most experienced guardsmen ever is voting for it. You know who is voting for option one Mikaelson. It did not take him long to go back to his ways even after meeting a Primarch. Little tangent but I rather vote for things that help us politically.
 
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@Durin - In the long run, how much time would be saved in terms of getting the Dragon's Nest teched up to the Trust's level if we went with option 2 instead of option 1?
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem
 
Man, my mood this morning
"Gee Henry, how come Durin let's you have a Dragon Turtle as a Familiar?"
PRIMARIS PSYKER ON DRAGON TURTLE
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Delta Primaris on Dragon Turtle
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Unit Type: Cavalry
Unit Composition: 1 Primaris Psyker on a Titan Scorpion
Wargear:
  • Primaris Psyker: Impaler Pistol, Force Weapon, Plasma Grenades, Elite Armor, Refractor Field, Psychic Hood
  • Dragon Turtle: Acid Spray, Monstrous Acidic Maw, 2 Heavy weapons

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Dragon Turtles Monstrous Acid Maw
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Rules: It's for your own good! (Codex Astra Militarum pg 92)
  • Psychic Hood: You can add 1 to Deny the Witch tests you take for this model against enemy PSYKERS within 12".
  • Dragon Turtle - I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!: During a turn in which you charge or perform a Heroic Intervention, increase Strength by +1d3 and the Dragon Turtle gains +1d3 attacks until the next turn.
Psyker: This model can attempt to manifest one psychic power in each friendly Psychic phase, and attempt to deny one psychic power in each enemy Psychic phase. It knows the Smite power and two psychic powers chosen from the Psykana discipline (pg 137) or Avernus Discipline. In addition, make one free Psychic Test Each round with a Warp Charge value of 7; on a success regain d3 wounds, or d6 wounds if the test was more than 10.
Options:
  • May replace its Impaler Pistol with an item from the Officers Ranged Weapons list, a Boarding Shield, or a Storm Shield
  • May replace its Refractor Field with a Conversion Field.
  • May Master Craft one ranged weapon (if he has one). He cannot select any of his mount's weapons.
  • The Primaris may upgrade his Psyker rating to Gamma (Manifest 2 psychic powers) or to Beta (Manifest 3 psychic powers, deny 2 powers)
  • Must take Elite Armor
Faction Keywords: Imperial Trust, Astra Militarum, Astra Telepathica
Keywords: Character, Cavalry, Monster, Psyker, Primaris Psyker
 
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[X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
-[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
 
[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
Enjou said:
Seriously guys, our problems are not going to end with the Tyranids. Integration of tech takes time, so we need to get them started sooner than later.
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People don't actually have issues with us giving them more tech since we are going to be merging with them anyway. The issue is that they have a ton of spies while we didn't have such issue due to several factors like being stuck in a warp storm since the fall of the Imperium while being a small polity only spanning one subsector when everything went down. The issue is that we have to worry about spies stealing the tech we give out and drawing a lot more attention when word gets out about our advanced tech to it spreading to chaos.

Hell just last turn Ridcully found several high ranking traitors including a freaking Arc Magos. If we had another 50 years of us rooting out spies then I would definitely be more willing to give out more tech. As is it's not really going to help much by the time the Nids get here if we give them the more advanced tech but at the least with option 1 we would be under way to boosting their level. Once we deal with the Nids and if we have Ridcully dedicate more actions to rooting out spies in the DN then I think we could reconsider giving them more tech.
Adhoc vote count started by Red Bovine on Apr 10, 2019 at 12:13 PM, finished with 57 posts and 25 votes.
  • [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
    -[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
    -[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
    [X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
    -[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 1
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@Durin
1. Are we still doing the technology sharing with the other human powers that we suggested earlier?
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Adhoc vote count started by MonkeyTypewriter on Apr 10, 2019 at 12:17 PM, finished with 399 posts and 18 votes.
  • [X] Plan Ideas
    -[X] Ridcully can nudge the Chaos polity seers to possibly see the Hive Fleet coming, giving them at least some possibility of preparing for it. Amir-ka is still likely to lose, but if they are better prepared then the Tyranids will suffer more losses and take longer to advance. Alternatively, we could just warn them outright, though they will not likely trust us.
    -[X] Avernus can try to ask HWWO to get some Norn-Queen samples to have the Nynye make a self-replicating poison.
    -[X] Informing the local Necron dynasty of the issue could see them end up deploying forces against the Tyranids. Divinatory information could be used to direct them to where they'd have the best effect.
    -[X] Inform every non-Chaos human and xeno power in the region of both the Tyranids and Bloodbusta. Consider providing the human powers with some level of additional technology to raise them to that level to increase the damage they can do, especially those that are below Imperial. Offer evacuation where it would be reasonable to do so without straining the Trust's logistics.
    -[X] Use of cyclonic torpedoes against select Ork and Chaos targets. Ideally could be done after the Tyranids have landed forces.
    -[X] Sub-sector Cobalt needs to be fortified as much as possible, funded by the Trust as needed. Militias need to be brought up to maximum size and training level possible.
    -[X] Scorch some of the minor Chaos and Ork worlds in advance of the Tyranids to prevent their consumption. Divine which targets would be best to tackle. Consider building a forward operating base to support this effort.
    -[X] Grant the Blood Dragons additional technology to better enable them to provide more aid. Continue to root out infiltrators in their polity to prevent tech theft.
    -[X] Use a minor favor to double the eldar forces.
    [X]War plan scorched earth(s)
    [X] Plan Gambits:
    -[X] Diplomatic Measures:
    --[X] Transfer of all safe to distribute, to nearby human worlds, prioritizing those directly under threat and multi stellar polities with power projection capabilites. Safe to distribute defined her as stuff Chaos either has, or doesn't care enough to raid over. Special note for Mibu, since they actually have a name.
    --[X] Approach the Necrons for aid. Offer them the honor to decapitate the head of the beast, while the Eldar handle the scraps. And take less casualties of course...
    --[X] Transfer Naval Technology to the Dragon's nest. Ridicully will devote time to ensuring the Shipyards are secure.
    --[X] Warn all noncorrupted polities of both threats, provide historical records and somewhat vague current estimates. If nothing else, being proven right will prove a useful long term lever. Also, it will likely immediatly leak to chaos, warning them without risking direct contact.
    --[X] Attempt to gain reinforcements from nearby human and xenos polities. You doubt it will work, but it costs little to try.
    ---[X] Ridicully manipulates the sight of Chaos seers so they see the approaching threat, this will serve to support our own leaks.
    -[X]Industrial Measures:
    --[X] Conversion of Musphellim City to Forward Operating base to support offensive operations.
    --[X] Fortification of Subsector Cobalt. Avernus will donate a trillion metal to the common cause. Will probably need transport though.
    -[X] Initial battleplan
    --[X] Focus interception fleets on as many of the 13 nondamned systems as possible, with any extra supporting orks.
    --[X] Should the Nids choose not to bypass the holdouts on the second wave, we will concentrate forces to defeat some of them in detail while subjecting the others to Exterminatus.
    ---[X] Should the again continue after the holdouts, we divert to decimate their offensive against Amarika and leave the nids holding the bag.
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[X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
-[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.

Also, the tally seems to be broken. Can somebody set it back to counting the latest set of votes rather than outdated stuff?
Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Apr 10, 2019 at 12:28 PM, finished with 28460 posts and 191 votes.
  • [X] Marry Baron Sigmund 'The Defiant' of the Aesir- best combat, decent Martial, allows formation of Knight House on Avernus.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
    -[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
    [X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.
    [X] Plan Shard T127
    [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
    -[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
    [X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
    -[X] Amnedor's experience in coordinating sector-wide war will be the most sorely needed capability in containing the Tyranids.
    [X] Deploy twenty-four Guard Armour Groups and two Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a significant boost to the ground defences, but would lead to replacement issues if massive losses are sustained (50% of all Guard, 20% of all elites) -35% base chance
    [X] Push forward- You have come this far, you are not willing to falter on the final stretch. - One DC 230 roll, one DC 160 plague roll, then retreat. On survival earn honourbound favour from Eldar, on death earn minor favour
    [X] Plan Enjou T127
    [X] Attempt to claim the position yourself (66% chance, diplomacy check (DC 75) increase chanced )- You believe that you would be the best choice as High Commander, and are willing to devote the time that will be needed to fill this position.
    [x] Argument to support future meetings- periodic technology transfer, good chance of being noticed
    [X] Deploy thirteen PDF Army Groups, twelve Guard Armour Groups and one Elite Army Group- These forces should provide a boost to the ground defences, while being replaceable even if massive losses are sustained (2% of all PDF, 25% of all Guard, 10% of all elites) -21% base chance
    [X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
    -[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
    [X] Fall Back- You have mapped out almost all of the path and confirmed Isha's presence, with the plague in you pushing forward leaves to great a risk of dying and losing all that you have gained. - Retreat, earn major favour from Eldar on survival and minor favour on death.
    [X] Support the third option.
    -[X] A degree of aggression is likely to be required to have a suitable impact against the Tyranids, but the Trust cannot afford to gamble everything so early on. If the fleets take massive losses, then the Trust will likely be unable to defend itself once the Tyranids arrive in Sub-Sector Cobalt.
    [X] Support Chapter Master Julius (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the great experience of Chapter Master Julius makes him the best high commander.
    [X] Prefetus Tertius Rosalinda Orlov- Prefetus Tertius Orlov is one of Edvin's proteges, a skilled architect and someone able to overseen Administratum projects if needed.
    [X] Professor Antoni Kovac
    [x] Agent Pompeo Ralston- Agen tRalston is one of the Jane's best spymasters and will be able to assist you in developing an more effective spy network.
    [X] Plan Enjou T126
    [x]Fabricator-General Lathe of Callamus forge empire
    [X] Plan Some Promethium To Midgard
    [X] Fall Back
    [X] Meet Antonie Sten. Extend our welcome and congratulations to the first of the Trust's Colonial governors to sit on the High Council. Ask about the opinions of his constituencies and figure out what the prevailing opinions on where to go from here are in the colonies. Discuss how things have been going with colonial development overall and what the core worlds might be able to do to assist.
    [X] Plan Augmentations and Titant
    -[X] Augmentation Design x2
    -[X] Titant Design x1
    [X] Wait until Turoq lands then launch major attack- Highest chance of killing Turoq, rapid defeat of Turoq's forces, moderate ground losses and major naval losses
    [X] Push forward- You have come this far, you are not willing to falter on the final stretch.
    [X] Push forward
    [X] Deploy eighteen Guard Army Groups and six Elite Army Groups - Write in for reasons explained below (37.5% of all Guard, 60% of all elites) -unknown base chance
    [X] Argument to support having the Eldar pass on future advances- Quickest technology transfer, near certain chance of being noticed
    [X] Plan Nurgle 125
    [X] Plan Enjou T110
    [X] Plan Enjou 125
    [X] Plan Gambits:
    -[X] Diplomatic Measures:
    --[X] Transfer of all safe to distribute, to nearby human worlds, prioritizing those directly under threat and multi stellar polities with power projection capabilites. Safe to distribute defined her as stuff Chaos either has, or doesn't care enough to raid over. Special note for Mibu, since they actually have a name.
    --[X] Approach the Necrons for aid. Offer them the honor to decapitate the head of the beast, while the Eldar handle the scraps. And take less casualties of course...
    --[X] Transfer Naval Technology to the Dragon's nest. Ridicully will devote time to ensuring the Shipyards are secure.
    --[X] Warn all noncorrupted polities of both threats, provide historical records and somewhat vague current estimates. If nothing else, being proven right will prove a useful long term lever. Also, it will likely immediatly leak to chaos, warning them without risking direct contact.
    --[X] Attempt to gain reinforcements from nearby human and xenos polities. You doubt it will work, but it costs little to try.
    ---[X] Ridicully manipulates the sight of Chaos seers so they see the approaching threat, this will serve to support our own leaks.
    -[X]Industrial Measures:
    --[X] Conversion of Musphellim City to Forward Operating base to support offensive operations.
    --[X] Fortification of Subsector Cobalt. Avernus will donate a trillion metal to the common cause. Will probably need transport though.
    -[X] Initial battleplan
    --[X] Focus interception fleets on as many of the 13 nondamned systems as possible, with any extra supporting orks.
    --[X] Should the Nids choose not to bypass the holdouts on the second wave, we will concentrate forces to defeat some of them in detail while subjecting the others to Exterminatus.
    ---[X] Should the again continue after the holdouts, we divert to decimate their offensive against Amarika and leave the nids holding the bag.
    [X] Support the Second Plan
    -[X] It's already certain that some of the human worlds will be lost. In this way we will be able preserve our forces, which will be expected to continue warring against the Tyranids over the next decades.
    [X] Support Autarch Amnedor Landeer (75% chance, diplomacy check (DC 70) increase chanced)-You believe that the experience at larger scale conflicts that Autarch Landeer posseses makes him the best high commander.
    [X] Attempt to claim the position yourself
    [X] Deploy sixteen Guard Armour Groups and ten Elite Army Groups - These forces should provide a massive boost to the ground defences, but major losses would be sorely felt (35% of all Guard, 100% of all elites)- 11% base chance
    [X] Plan Enjou T124
    [X] Avernus will abstain from regular tech transfers of any kind. With the small size of the Imperial Trust, obscurity would provide a greater defence than the technology it would get from periodic advancements.
    -[X] Augmentation Design x3 (1, can be taken multiple times)- One of the pinnacles of Alkahestry is the augmentation of sentients to create super-soldiers. Lulana is willing to assist with the creation of an augmentation process and teaching it to your psykers. While you will eventually be able to do the same it is most likely a century or so before your psykers reach the required skill level.
    [X] Plan Nurgle T122
    [X] Plan Kaiju Crushin' Headcrusha
    -[X] Meet Headcrusha's horde with a force built around your power armoured troops - Over half a billion Power Armoured Troops are currently on Svartalfheim, allowing you to meet Headcrushas' Horde with a force entirely in power armour. This would allow you to take advantage of the poor armor penetration capacity of the majority of the Ork troops now that the Waaagh Field has weakened.
    -[X] Balanced Stance- By using a mix of dug in forces, raids and sallies you would be able to greatly speed up the battle without risking to much of your forces .
    -[X] Kill Headcrusha with elites- Deadly as headcrusha is even he can't stand against the full might of the Black Irons, though many lives would be lost keeping him isolated which he is worn down
    --[X] They have authorization to use vortex and stasis grenades at their discretion.
    -[X] Low- Continue as things are, sacrificing fighters in order to cover a campaign of harassment on the ground which would be supported by bombers.
    -[X] Scry and Fry- Your Diviners could work with your other psykers to locate the most dangerous foes and take them out.
    -[X] Thermonuclear Battle Tiger - Launch Deathstrikes against Headcrusha's horde, and then have Xavier lead a choir to turn the flames into a giant, fiery tiger kaiju to rampage through the Orkish lines to attack Headcrusha, as you planned to do in during the last war. No Transcendent Alpha will interfere this time!
    -[X] Biomancers will provide boosts to the elites going against Headcrusha.
    [x] Plan Ambush
    -[x] Balanced Stance- By using a mix of dug in forces, raids and sallies you would be able to greatly speed up the battle without risking to much of your forces . -Currently selected
    -[x] Deploy the Last Hunters against Headcrusha- The Last Hunters equipped with the most deadly poisons of the Nyenye should be able to inflict some major wounds on Headcrusha, and may even be able to kill him.
    -[X] use potions to also help boost them
    -[x] Use space marines to lure Headcrusher into ambush
    -[x] Authorize vortex grenades
    -[x] Medium- Have your fighters move to seize control of the skies from the remaining Ork Fighter-Bombers. -
    -[X] Deploy your Descents- The Decent Destroyer is designed to lay waste to armies after descending to the lower atmosphere, use them. This will also be a major benefit for your air forces as the Decents formidable AA is brought onto the field of battle.
    -[X] Psyker Support - Your Diviners, Telepaths and Biomancers could support your ground and air forces, improving their impact and preserving their lives.
    [X] Don't put your own proposal forward and instead work to find a compromise between what others suggest.
    [X] Plan in this together
    - [X]vote for the third option
    -[X]propose a subsidiary of 10 percent to help with the new standard of defenses till the new standard is reached
    - [X]propose a rebate of 10 percent for all building of forges
    -[X] use one favor with Midgard and Nilfhiem to convince them to vote
    [X] Plan drive the Barbarian back
    -[X]vote for Chapter Master Julian's Plan
    -[X] propose the deployment of half the last hunters.
    -[X] propose letting Tranth apply stealth technology to assault shuttles. So we can start ambushing incoming raiders.
    -[X] propose warding of ships so that they can respond to attacks without demons spotting them.
    -[X] propose the inquisition find a way to Assassinate chaos leaders are o cause rebellion in Turoq realm or lead a Waagh to attack Turoq. Act only if feasible. Offer Ridicully help in these if necessary.
    -[X] Propose the seconding of the Ramilles star fort to the Trust Navy with Deployment based on the Security Council needs for the duration of this crisis
    -[X] We will ask the Ancient Wanderer if she is aware of any Avernus people's who might be able to help sabotage enemy efforts without leaving the planet.
    -[X] We will have Ridcully spending some time predicting enemy attacks.
    [X] Plan Enjou T113
    [X] cap some psykers?
    [X] Plan Enjou T115
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Adhoc vote count started by StormySky on Apr 10, 2019 at 1:21 PM, finished with 68 posts and 28 votes.
  • [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
    -[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
    -[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.
    [X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
    -[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
    -[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
    -[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
    -[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.
    [X] Vote Suggestion 1
    [X] Vote Suggestion 2
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Red Bovine said:
People don't actually have issues with us giving them more tech since we are going to be merging with them anyway. The issue is that they have a ton of spies while we didn't have such issue due to several factors like being stuck in a warp storm since the fall of the Imperium while being a small polity only spanning one subsector when everything went down. The issue is that we have to worry about spies stealing the tech we give out and drawing a lot more attention when word gets out about our advanced tech to it spreading to chaos.

Hell just last turn Ridcully found several high ranking traitors including a freaking Arc Magos. If we had another 50 years of us rooting out spies then I would definitely be more willing to give out more tech. As is it's not really going to help much by the time the Nids get here if we give them the more advanced tech but at the least with option 1 we would be under way to boosting their level. Once we deal with the Nids and if we have Ridcully dedicate more actions to rooting out spies in the DN then I think we could reconsider giving them more tech.
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We are in the process of dealing with those spies though. The most dangerous have been dealt with, and we'll be dealing with the lesser ones shortly.

IMO it is not worth the paranoia at this point if it's going to cost decades of time to have the Dragon's Nest implement more tech if we withhold it until later. Teching them up more now means we're better prepared for the next big threat, which will be coming.

The local Chaos human powers are about to get their teeth kicked in by Orks and Nids, so they aren't a worry. Alpha Legion is probably spying on the other sane humans we shared tech with, so they're likely to steal tech anyways and we aren't likely to stop it, and they're not liable to share anyways.

Better tech for the Nest now could save us decades of prep time, which will snowball into better prep later on. Time is a resource, and it's one we can't get more of. Apocalyptic threats are spawning more and more, and it won't matter if some spy stole an STC or tech sample if we die due to being under prepared to keep that from happening.
 
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We are in the process of dealing with those spies though. The most dangerous have been dealt with, and we'll be dealing with the lesser ones shortly.

IMO it is not worth the paranoia at this point if it's going to cost decades of time to have the Dragon's Nest implement more tech if we withhold it until later. Teching them up more now means we're better prepared for the next big threat, which will be coming.

The local Chaos human powers are about to get their teeth kicked in by Orks and Nids, so they aren't a worry. Alpha Legion is probably spying on the other sane humans we shared tech with, so they're likely to steal tech anyways and we aren't likely to stop it, and they're not liable to share anyways.

Better tech for the Nest now could save us decades of prep time, which will snowball into better prep later on. Time is a resource, and it's one we can't get more of. Apocalyptic threats are spawning more and more, and it won't matter if some spy stole an STC or tech sample if we die due to being under prepared to keep that from happening.
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I am pretty that no we didn't deal with all the most dangerous spies and it should be noted that it's outright mentioned that there are thousands more who had centuries to place themselves. The issue is that Rid's himself pointed out that the Dragon's Nest was so big that he could only dedicate the small amount of time he was dedicating to scrying to loo for the most dangerous and we aren't actually sure we got all of them and even then we still need to deal with the other thousands of spies. It should also be pointed out that just a few turns ago a spy nearly succesfully stole some valuable tech in the Trust which had way better security than Dragon's Nest and Dragons Nest is way bigger and had been around longer without our level of security.

Also you seem to be underestimating chaos again and the last time you did that it nearly ended up with Ridcully getting killed despite rolling a freaking over 90 roll after it was repeatedly pointed out that he would likely be a high prioty target for chaos. The only local chaos force about to get their shit kicked in is Amrika while there are still others around. Not to mention that captured tech is likely to gain more attention due to word of it spreading. Just because one faction in particular may end up stealing tech is no excuse to make it easier for them and especially everyone else.

Again, I suggest we wait at least 2-3 in game decades rooting out spies with Ridcully's help before we consider giving them more tech.
 
Enjou said:
We are in the process of dealing with those spies though. The most dangerous have been dealt with, and we'll be dealing with the lesser ones shortly.

IMO it is not worth the paranoia at this point if it's going to cost decades of time to have the Dragon's Nest implement more tech if we withhold it until later. Teching them up more now means we're better prepared for the next big threat, which will be coming.

The local Chaos human powers are about to get their teeth kicked in by Orks and Nids, so they aren't a worry. Alpha Legion is probably spying on the other sane humans we shared tech with, so they're likely to steal tech anyways and we aren't likely to stop it, and they're not liable to share anyways.

Better tech for the Nest now could save us decades of prep time, which will snowball into better prep later on. Time is a resource, and it's one we can't get more of. Apocalyptic threats are spawning more and more, and it won't matter if some spy stole an STC or tech sample if we die due to being under prepared to keep that from happening.
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It doesnt matter if "we are in the process of .."....what matters is that they are there NOW. so every year it takes us to remove the spys is a entire year they can steal the stuff....and considering the talks about spending GD's on the nid's means it might be entire turns before we can get to the DN spie problem.

furthermore, as a seperate point, where did Durin say that we got the bigger/most dangerous spies? he only said that he got some dangerous ones from what I recall.
we have to get at least the majority of them before its safe and I don't think durin's wording implied that (although I don't have his exact wording in front of me).

Finnally, the other sane humans are likely to have better security as they have primarchs with them even if they are not intrique paragons they are still likely around 40.....I'm not sure DN has that. besides, that doesnt mean we should give them more opportunitys to steal more tech.

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[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem
 
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