Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Random Member said:

The Great Marketplace will:
1) Make us lots of dosh!
2) Possibly upgrade our Economy Type

We should take it.

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It's weird to have a great marketplace in a Palace economy though, as the latter is largely based on non-market principles.

[X] [Religion] No. The Council of Arthryn shall be independent of the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.
[X] [Mega] Gain a new random Value
[X] [Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value
[X] [Mega] Upgrade a random Value
[X] [Law] Practical Enforcement
[X] [Govern] The Cadlon governs with a council of advisors with the authority to check their power.
[X] [Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.
[X] [GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
[X] [GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

[X] [Religion] Yes. The Council of Arthryn shall answer to the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.

Separating them seems like a horrible idea given how central the religion is to every aspect of our civ. We do not need that kind of chink in our armor. Especially sense our military is a religious organization more than a secular one given how they pissed off with Evatine to go crusading.

[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.

The others seem kinda meh and these Blessing upgrades have yet to let us down.

[X] [Law] Justice and Fairness

This is a vote for the Spirit of our law's and governance. The Intent behind its wording.

[X] [Govern] The Cadlon governs with a council of advisors with the authority to check their power.
[X] [Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.

[] [GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)

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[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

We only have one temp Mystic. By choosing one of the mega projects we go into the negatives in Mystic and end the Golden Age.

[X] [Religion] Yes. The Council of Arthryn shall answer to the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.
[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.
[X][Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value
[X] [Law] Flexibility and Adaptability
[X] [Law] Regulating Authority
[X] [Law] Practical Enforcement
[X] [Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

State Religion + Flexible and Adaptable Rule + Early Parliament is a very British combination. I like it.

[X] [Religion] No. The Council of Arthryn shall be independent of the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.

[X] [Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value
[] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies

[X] [Law] Regulating Authority
[X] [Law] Flexibility and Adaptability
[X] [Law] Practical Enforcement

[X] [Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.

[X] [GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
[X] [GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.
[X] [Law] Justice and Fairness
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

UlseDovThur said:

[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.

The others seem kinda meh and these Blessing upgrades have yet to let us down.

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Blood of evalyn is only for the monarchy not anyone else.

Random Member said:

The Great Marketplace will:
1) Make us lots of dosh!
2) Possibly upgrade our Economy Type

We should take it.

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We have lots of dosh, we need to get culture/tech The library and the theater are our best bets to do that. Giving us chances for actual permanent stat increases. Which we definitely want.

I have added the Evatine Walls to the list of completed megaprojects.

10ebbor10 said:

It's weird to have a great marketplace in a Palace economy though, as the latter is largely based on non-market principles.

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Once you reach a certain point, a certain size, palace economies start to get problematic. Introducing a market can help us relieve those problems, by upgrading from a Palace Economy into something else. I don't know what it could be, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a type of Market Economy.

kobo said:

Blood of evalyn is only for the monarchy not anyone else.

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I know. Point stands that every Blessing upgrade so far have been amazing and they are a permenent upgrade to our civ.

UlseDovThur said:

I know. Point stands that every Blessing upgrade so far have been amazing and they are a permenent upgrade to our civ.

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So are values....

Gamesguy said:

So are values....

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Value also come with negatives and changes the way our civ functions. The blessing upgrade is just a straight buff to what we already have.

UlseDovThur said:

Value also come with negatives and changes the way our civ functions. The blessing upgrade is just a straight buff to what we already have.

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So has the blessing, to be honest.

I mean, our worst values have both originated from this specific blessing.

[X] [Religion] No. The Council of Arthryn shall be independent of the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.

[X] [Mega] Gain a new random Value
[X] [Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value

[X] [Law] Regulating Authority
[X] [Law] Flexibility and Adaptability
[X] [Law] Practical Enforcement

[X] [Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.

[X] [GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
[X] [GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
[X] [GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
[X] [GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

I agree that we need practical enforcement due our increasing size.

Edited so we don't go to negative stats unlocking megaprojects.

[X] [Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn

[X] [Religion] No. The Council of Arthryn shall be independent of the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.
[X] [Mega] Gain at least two Technologies
[X] [Law] Justice and Fairness
[X] [Govern] Provinces shall be ruled over by Sacred Guardian-Generals who rule as Cadlons over their province and answer to Cadlon, who is responsible for the whole of the Arthwyd.
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)

Vote is still open.
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Task: Religion
[X][Religion] No. The Council of Arthryn shall be independent of the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.
No. of Votes: 10
[X][Religion] Yes. The Council of Arthryn shall answer to the Cadlon of the Arthwyd.
No. of Votes: 3

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[X][Mega] Gain at least two Technologies
No. of Votes: 10
[X][Mega] Gain a new Martial-related Value
No. of Votes: 7
[X][Mega] Gain a random Hero.
No. of Votes: 5
[X][Mega] Gain a new random Value
No. of Votes: 4
[X][Mega] Upgrade the Blood of Evalyn.
No. of Votes: 4
[X][Mega] Upgrade a random Value
No. of Votes: 3

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[X][Law] Regulating Authority
No. of Votes: 11
[X][Law] Justice and Fairness
No. of Votes: 9
[X][Law] Flexibility and Adaptability
No. of Votes: 8
[X][Law] Practical Enforcement
No. of Votes: 7
[X][Law] Communal Good
No. of Votes: 3

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[X][Govern] The Cadlon shall rule with an assembly of important priests, warriors and elders to advise them and check their power.
No. of Votes: 11
[X][Govern] Provinces shall be ruled over by Sacred Guardian-Generals who rule as Cadlons over their province and answer to Cadlon, who is responsible for the whole of the Arthwyd.
No. of Votes: 4
[X][Govern] The Cadlon governs with a council of advisors with the authority to check their power.
No. of Votes: 4

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[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Library Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 12
[X][GA] Unlock the Aqueduct Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 9
[X][GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 7
[X][GA] Unlock the Grand Theatre Megaproject. (-2 Temp Mystic, -2 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 6
[X][GA] Unlock the Great Market Place Megaproject. (-2 Temp Diplo, -2 Temp Wealth)
No. of Votes: 5
[X][GA] Gain random nautical technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 3
[X][GA] Upgrade a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain a random Value. (-2 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Culture, -1 Temp mystic)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random social concept advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Gain random military technology advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial,)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Discover a new mine location. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 2
[X][GA] Upgrade Baby Boom to a Population Explosion. (-2 Temp Econ, -2 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Improve relations with all neighbours. (-6 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain random general technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain random magical knowledge advancement. (-1 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
No. of Votes: 1
[X][GA] Gain a random Hero. (-3 Temp Econ, -1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 17

[X] [GA] Gain random administration technology advancement. (-1 Temp Diplo, -1 Temp Mystic, -1 Temp Culture)
We are growing larger and need to improve our abilities to rule the land under our control or we might collapse once we no longer have heroes to keep our nation together.

10ebbor10 said:

We need to take this option. At the moment, we're at 5 min centralization. To that you will need to add at least 2 from the eventual integration of our colonies. Probably more, if the colony decides to grab an extra province.

In addition, we have our new religious spread, be attacked, annex thing. That will happen again. And add new provinces.

If we do not have a practical, easy to enforce law, we will fail because we won't be able to enforce said law.

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The Law vote as I understand it is for the Spirit of our laws. The thought process behind their creation. I'm seeing this as something similar to when the founding fathers wrote the US constitution and the Intent behind its wording, yeah? If we choose practical enforcement above the other options I think that will make it very vulnerable to becoming highly authoritarian in the future which I would like to avoid.

I prefer Justice and Fairness as it lays a very good foundation for our future Laws and Governance to sit upon. You know what they say, better to let a dozen guilty criminal walk free than allow a single innocent victim to be found guilty.

Oshha said:

Urthryn doesn't have four important daughters on purpose. That is accidental and doesn't work a comparison to Arthryn as Arthryn has five goddess daughters (Wyrn, Ymarn, All-Seeress, Evalyn, Bronwyn).

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Ah. I forgot about the All-Seeress. Fair enough.

Oshha said:

Beyond that, she has tried to deliberately make herself similar to Arthryn. Nothing specifically stands out to me, but notice how everyone is commenting how Urthryn is a foil to Arthryn or is like a dark copy of her? That was deliberately done by Urthryn.

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Yeah, that was me. And it was less "she is a foil" and more "I would like her to be a foil".

Also, something that I think would work well for her is if she frames herself as "The Goddess of Personal Ambition/Individualism" versus Community values. It would play into the narrative of "once being human but sought out godhood for personal power". It would not be just a arbitrary foil but a aspect that genuinely resonates with her.

Anyways, I'll come up with the next turn plan later.

UlseDovThur said:

I prefer Justice and Fairness as it lays a very good foundation for our future Laws and Governance to sit upon. You know what they say, better to let a dozen guilty criminal walk free than allow a single innocent victim to be found guilty.

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You know actually. Many people say that, but I'm not sure how many actually believe it. At least, in practice, there's tonnes of systems which encourage incarceration of the innocent, especially in the US.

UlseDovThur said:

The Law vote as I understand it is for the Spirit of our laws. The thought process behind their creation. I'm seeing this as something similar to when the founding fathers wrote the US constitution and the Intent behind its wording, yeah?

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Just to be clear, this is the case. You are choosing the thought process behind the law and the general spirit of the law that is intended by its writers.

10ebbor10 said:

You know actually. Many people say that, but I'm not sure how many actually believe it. At least, in practice, there's tonnes of systems which encourage incarceration of the innocent, especially in the US.

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Sadly true. I still prefer the mentality of "innocent until proven guilty".