The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Something to note when considering contacting other polities is that for the human polities we can give them the highest level Imperial era tech while the xenos we can give Tau tech. Even if they refuse our offer of moving them they would still be able to put up a better fight when the Nids rech them.

Nurgle said:

You are confusing Avernus for the Trust. The majority of the council and people in the trust are xenophobic and will not want to waste resources helping them. It's better just to get the Eldar to start harassment of splinter fleets hitting the 20 human and xeno worlds.

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I sure as **** ain't.

We've got plenty of people on the council who will support aliens not necessarily out of love, but exemplified by the fact that Quartok are not dead.

You might say "but they were a test to see if the system works" well several hundred years later its pretty bloody clear the system ****ing works and we've ironed out the single bug it had.

And yeah the people have always had an immense impact on our decision making process.

Dude we're going to do that anyway and chances are its going to stop the Nids. I highly doubt our abilities to stop them from succeeding only delaying them.

And what wasted resources we would be stopping the Tyranids from snow balling more, that's not a waste its what we're trying to do.

Red Bovine said:

Something to note when considering contacting other polities is that for the human polities we can give them the highest level Imperial era tech while the xenos we can give Tau tech. Even if they refuse our offer of moving them they would still be able to put up a better fight when the Nids rech them.

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Of course.

Nurgle said:

You are confusing Avernus for the Trust. The majority of the council and people in the trust are xenophobic and will not want to waste resources helping them. It's better just to get the Eldar to start harassment of splinter fleets hitting the 20 human and xeno worlds.

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I wouldn't say it's a waste. Anything that helps against the Nids is always good and the Trust despite being xenophobic is still also largely pragmatic.

Doomed Wombat said:

Well 2 came entirely non tainted so 2 for certain.

I'd have to look through and find out, but I'm reasonably certain Lin fully cleaned several of the lighter ones.


Reasonably certain he did fully clean several, even then though as I said of the 15 worlds of Valinor two were entirely clean when we got em.

Please add evacuating all non chaos effected.

Seriously its not much or hard.

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Added.

thatguy said:

-[x] offer to evacuate humans if possible, with the inquisition screening people if they can to other worlds if any are willing to take them in.
—[x]Try to isolate the potential problem by putting them all on the smallest practical number of worlds.

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Rrrrrr.

Can you please just say affected worlds.

Its more than vague enough to give us plenty of wiggle room without making it explicit.

Doomed Wombat said:

Rrrrrr.

Can you please just say affected worlds.

Its more than vague enough to give us plenty of wiggle room without making it explicit.

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Oh drat I copied in the wrong thing, give me a moment.

Finally fixed it. I swear the thing reverted once on its own.

thatguy said:

Oh drat I copied in the wrong thing, give me a moment.

Finally fixed it. I swear the thing reverted once on its own.

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Oh sorry.

Sorry also if that seemed angry, was meant to be more theatrical.

Doomed Wombat said:

Oh sorry.

Sorry also if that seemed angry, was meant to be more theatrical.

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It's cool, it was an irritating mistake.

I'm going to go comparing my google doc of the plan to what I have posted, see if I can find any other errors.

Do you have any other brainstorms for ways to improve the plan?

Also
@Durin I've been assuming that the Eldar minor fleet is an equivalent amount of force to one of the Tyranid world eating fleets despite the smaller size, but am suddenly uncertain.
1. How much is the Eldar fleet worth compared to a Tyranid system attack splinter fleet?

I ask because it it's less military force than one splinter fleet I might change my plan to include calling in more forces.

2. How much would it cost to gain the use of the local webway for this war?

3. Could a Krork detachment forcibly take over and reorganize Ironbusta's domain to better fight the Tyranids, then leave once done?
4. What would that cost?
5. Would it just inevitably backfire by drawing in the major Orkish Waaagh?

thatguy said:

Do you have any other brainstorms for ways to improve the plan?

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Ask Nilfheim if they've got any blank secrets/research to add (probably not, but can't hurt to ask.)

Check if we can figure out a means of getting the Tachyon sensors on a smaller ship to counter the Nid's improved stealth.

[X]War plan scorched earth(s)

Doomed Wombat said:

Ask Nilfheim if they've got any blank secrets/research to add (probably not, but can't hurt to ask.)

Check if we can figure out a means of getting the Tachyon sensors on a smaller ship to counter the Nid's improved stealth.

[X]War plan scorched earth(s)

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Added those ideas(I liked the tachyon idea, and mentioning Niflhiem reminded me that Musphelhiem might also have something.)

I also elaborated on how we would use Mibu's forces if we can succeed in gaining a useful alliance.

thatguy said:

Added those ideas(I liked the tachyon idea, and mentioning Niflhiem reminded me that Musphelhiem might also have something.)

I also elaborated on how we would use Mibu's forces if we can succeed in gaining a useful alliance.

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Mibu is right next door to Bloodbusta domain I doubt they are going to help or be able to help.

Nurgle said:

Mibu is right next door to Bloodbusta domain I doubt they are going to help or be able to help.

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The idea is to trade forces back and forth so they have the same amount of force but we have more(in practise).
They send ships full time, we send an Eldar fleet part-time. While the Eldar fleet is with us we have more total forces, but it intervenes often enough over there that they are not less defended. We can pick and choose our battles with the Tyranids so we only engage the Tyranids when the Eldar fleet is with us, and it's over there at the right moments to prevent them from being vulnerable.

We sweeten the deal enough that they might accept by offering tech.

thatguy said:

The idea is to trade forces back and forth so they have the same amount of force but we have more(in practise).
They send ships full time, we send an Eldar fleet part-time. While the Eldar fleet is with us we have more total forces, but it intervenes often enough over there that they are not less defended. We can pick and choose our battles with the Tyranids so we only engage the Tyranids when the Eldar fleet is with us, and it's over there at the right moments to prevent them from being vulnerable.

We sweeten the deal enough that they might accept by offering tech.

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So they will let people form a polity they don't know in? Also who will they take order from? Also the inquisition is stretched and screening those forces will stretched them even more.

Nurgle said:

So they will let people form a polity they don't know in? Also who will they take order from? Also the inquisition is stretched and screening those forces will stretched them even more.

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There's no guarantee that they will accept the offer, possibly because they don't want to let foreigners in. We would keep them under their own officers, with the goal being to split their contribution up for bombarding unaffiliated worlds into sterility, thereby freeing up our own(better equipped) forces from that duty. Or we could group them up to support one of our fleets, in which case our commander has overall control but they're still under their own officers.

Not sure why the Inquisition would need to screen them. We can ask a seer, or the Eldar to check if they're secretly Chaos while we send the diplomatic envoy proposing the idea. It would increase tech dispersal, but at this point that's happening anyway and we're kind of in a crisis right now.

I am willing to get rid of this idea if people come out strongly against it, but even if it's a long shot it risks very little to try and could provide a benefit. Both short term and long term.

I think we should make the offer to everyone, and see how many take us up on it. If more than we can save take us up on it, we save as many as we can. We are not the old imperium, we won't just write off entire worlds without at least trying.

[X] Plan Gambits:
-[X] Diplomatic Measures:
--[X] Transfer of all safe to distribute, to nearby human worlds, prioritizing those directly under threat and multi stellar polities with power projection capabilites. Safe to distribute defined her as stuff Chaos either has, or doesn't care enough to raid over. Special note for Mibu, since they actually have a name.
--[X] Approach the Necrons for aid. Offer them the honor to decapitate the head of the beast, while the Eldar handle the scraps. And take less casualties of course...
--[X] Transfer Naval Technology to the Dragon's nest. Ridicully will devote time to ensuring the Shipyards are secure.
--[X] Warn all noncorrupted polities of both threats, provide historical records and somewhat vague current estimates. If nothing else, being proven right will prove a useful long term lever. Also, it will likely immediatly leak to chaos, warning them without risking direct contact.
--[X] Attempt to gain reinforcements from nearby human and xenos polities. You doubt it will work, but it costs little to try.
---[X] Ridicully manipulates the sight of Chaos seers so they see the approaching threat, this will serve to support our own leaks.
-[X]Industrial Measures:
--[X] Conversion of Musphellim City to Forward Operating base to support offensive operations.
--[X] Fortification of Subsector Cobalt. Avernus will donate a trillion metal to the common cause. Will probably need transport though.
-[X] Initial battleplan
--[X] Focus interception fleets on as many of the 13 nondamned systems as possible, with any extra supporting orks.
--[X] Should the Nids choose not to bypass the holdouts on the second wave, we will concentrate forces to defeat some of them in detail while subjecting the others to Exterminatus.
---[X] Should the again continue after the holdouts, we divert to decimate their offensive against Amarika and leave the nids holding the bag.

is there a reason we are converting a city to a FOB? rather than bulding on? I don't think the seven year difference would matter that much.

random_npc said:

is there a reason we are converting a city to a FOB? rather than bulding on? I don't think the seven year difference would matter that much.

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My logic would be if Vanaheim is building a Ramilies then they're not building more ships.

Doomed Wombat said:

My logic would be if Vanaheim is building a Ramilies then they're not building more ships.

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those cites each produce a notable chunk of our AM. i'd rather not take on apart unless we have to.

@Durin if we convert a city into a FOB, would we ba able to change it back?

random_npc said:

those cites each produce a notable chunk of our AM. i'd rather not take on apart unless we have to.

@Durin if we convert a city into a FOB, would we ba able to change it back?

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What no no these are their Ramilies size orbital cities very explicitly not a Nomad City.

Remember a Nomad city is basically a knock off craft world its far stronger than a Ramilies.

Doomed Wombat said:

What no no these are their Ramilies size orbital cities very explicitly not a Nomad City.

Remember a Nomad city is basically a knock off craft world its far stronger than a Ramilies.

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ah, sorry got my giant space mega structures mixed up.

Durin said:

Anti-Ork Powers: Grand Techbane- Now that he has created an anti Ork Power Xavier thinks that it is possible to upscale it so that it can be used by entire Choirs of Psykers. While it would take a good bit of research to create this power would allow your Demonology Choirs to cause malfunctions to entire Orkish armies, or even disable Gargents.

Time: 8 years
Chance of Success: -50% (uses learning)

Cost: 180,000,000 Thrones, 1,800,000 Material, 4,200 Advanced Material, 480 Exotic Material.
Reward: Create choir scale power able to cause Ork technology to malfunction

Complete
year three roll d100=13+44(Tamia)+15(Roke Island)+20(double down)=92: Fail
year three re-roll d100=26+44(Tamia)+15(Roke Island)+20(double down)+15(Paragon Diviner)=110: Fail, reduce time for repeat by 1 year,

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This may not change how this turn ended but this re-roll should have bin 120 not 110 just something I noticed have a good day.

Going to start up a calculation to determine which Ork/Chaos minor worlds are worth soliciting help from rather than destroying. Then add it to my plan.
Does anyone see flaws in:
IF fleet assets greater than 1/2[1/2 for their own contribution to the fight 1/2 for what they might cost us taking them out]X(amount the Tyranids would gain from their worlds, measured as 0.5% the size of the Hive fleet.) per world THEN they are worth talking to.
IF NOT then we invade and wipe them out.

Edit:
I have come to the irrefutable conclusion that for us to stand a chance of losing more wiping out the minor powers than we would be allowing them to stay in place long enough to get eaten by the Tyranids they would have to have 3-4 Battleships, 37-38 Cruisers, and 325 escorts per planet. The Trust struggles to meet that standard. I think we're probably going to have to wipe them all out.
Unless we physically don't have enough ships to sterilize them in time or our brainy intrigue manipulation people think they can make these worlds unite into spaceborne forces arrayed agaisnt the Hive fleet, then sally out and lose quickly enough that we can still sterilize their planets I might have to drop bothering to warn minor powers about the Tyranids, then use their ignorance of anything being unusual to wipe them out quickly.

@Durin
1 can we target the splinter fleets that are heading to the 12 human worlds and 3 xeno worlds?
2 if we double the Eldar force how many splinter fleets do they think they can take out before they hit Amirka?
3 if we warn Amirka will they attack non aligned chaos worlds and ork worlds?

[X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
-[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.