Guys. We were asked what we think a Shinobi is. Not how we view the Shinobi system. There is a difference
Yes? Shinobi are mercenaries with varied motivations. The "Will of Fire" answer is wishful thinking and doesn't fit Rin.

Or do you want "To be a Shinobi is to walk with death"? That would actually fit pretty well in the "endure" perspective:
Bah, the answer to the Shinobi question is obvious. We should just quote Hashirama: "A Shinobi is one who endures."


Edit: Changed my previous vote, now it's
To be a Shinobi is to walk with death. Where a civilian spends their life's work on furthering a goal like happiness or their craft, a ninja dedicates their very life and life energy (chakra) towards an ideal. To hone both our body and mind to endure both war and betrayal, grief and trauma, to be ready to risk death at any step, that is the way of the Shinobi.
 
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[X] To Sarutobi: "They're killers for hire," Rin says, pausing. "But we both aspire for them to be more."
[X] To Hinata: "Too much pride for my own good. I'm sorry."
[X](Proxy) Will pick Haru

Wondering if we should work harder on putting up an immature facade reflective of our age, but that might be beneath our pride.

Not to mention I'm sure a lot of people in the setting already think we're adorable and in way over our heads until they slowly realize we somehow actually are that competent.
 

Er... I don't particularly want to vote in favor or against anyone on most the other choices. I only have an opinion on some of them.

Like the jutsu training. I don't know what's a good choice or a bad choice or where everyone is even going with their choices, so I'm not planning on voting for any of them.

Although if there were an option to (temporarily) forego training in favor of magecraft, I would vote for that. Tohsaka strikes me as the type of person who would consider her status as a mage ahead of more practical endeavors.

[X]Plan: Normal Magic Ninja
- [X] To Sarutobi: "They're killers for hire," Rin says, pausing. "But we both aspire for them to be more."
- [X] To Hinata: "Too much pride for my own good. I'm sorry."
- [X](Proxy) Will pick Haru
- [X]Train magecraft. If our problem is we need to focus on enhancing one of our skills rather then practice a bunch of different skills, it ought to be magecraft.
- [X] Second most popular plan for all other decisions.
 
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Do you know that I considered lowering Luck because Rin was OOC, not wanting to practice either Magecraft or True Magic for I don't know how many turns, but I forgot? :D

Actually... 2x minus to Luck permanently. It's never too late.

I won't apply any more debuffs for this particular thing, so, no need to change your minds this turn.
 
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We've got more important shit to train than magecraft or True Magic. After all, Shinobi need certain skills.

I don't know what that means.

Okay, to be fair stats are always pretty arbitrary anyway, so I don't know what the current luck stat means either, let alone a 2x minus to luck.
Eh. Luck is more bonus shit. Other stats like Ninjutsu and Taijutsu at the end of the day are much, much more important.
 
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Do you know that I considered lowering Luck because Rin was OOC, not wanting to practice either Magecraft or True Magic for I don't know how many turns, but I forgot? :D

Actually... 2x minus to Luck permanently. It's never too late.

I won't apply any more debuffs for this particular thing, so, no need to change your minds this turn.

Uuuh. If there was a concern about acting OOC, perhaps you could have mentioned things IC about Rin reminiscing about Magecraft or mentioning it OOC?

I took not continuing to follow up on them IC as having IC concerns about Natural Energy causing issues like it had during the first attempt (iirc) and wanting to have larger Chakra Reserves before giving it another shot, besides the whole wanting to keep it a secret until we're more firmly established, and OOC wanting to avoid poking at the Rabbit Goddess of Memory Rewriting.

In addition to the hiatus putting Magecraft on the mental backburner while we deal with the whole "Uchiha Clan Massacre Aftermath" thing.
 
Rin has been dealing with some pretty major stuff lately, and wasn't her Magecraft established as lacking raw power compared to Jutsu? Plus the last time she tried anything related to True Magic, she immediately messed up upon overreaching.

Oh hey, maybe we could have Rin try to get advice from Jiraya regarding Senjutsu? Granted, there's only so far you can go as a "prodigy" before people start thinking something is really off.
 
Rin has been dealing with some pretty major stuff lately, and wasn't her Magecraft established as lacking raw power compared to Jutsu? Plus the last time she tried anything related to True Magic, she immediately messed up upon overreaching.

Oh hey, maybe we could have Rin try to get advice from Jiraya regarding Senjutsu? Granted, there's only so far you can go as a "prodigy" before people start thinking something is really off.

If it were only 'lately', I wouldn't consider it OOC. But she didn't for the past (ALL OF THEM) turns.

We've got more important shit to train than magecraft or True Magic. After all, Shinobi need certain skills.


Eh. Luck is more bonus shit. Other stats like Ninjutsu and Taijutsu at the end of the day are much, much more important.

True Magic can be extremely useful - most forms of True Magic allow for teleportation, and I don't think it's even considered that advanced of a skill compared to, say, traveling to an alternate world. As for magecraft - yes, it's not very useful in most circumstances.

As for the person asking about Senjutsu: Rin has forgotten the whole ordeal; she does subconsciously remember that she shouldn't let ambient energy mix with her body, though.
 
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If it were only 'lately', I wouldn't consider it OOC. But she didn't for the past (ALL OF THEM) turns.



True Magic can be extremely useful - most forms of True Magic allow for teleportation, and I don't think it's even considered that advanced of a skill compared to, say, traveling to an alternate world. As for magecraft - yes, it's not very useful in most circumstances.

As for the person asking about Senjutsu: Rin has forgotten the whole ordeal; she does subconsciously remember that she shouldn't let ambient energy mix with her body, though.
I believe we unlocked magic circuits in turn 11 and used them in turn 12, turn 13 is when we fought Danzo. We have bee studying the local mage craft equivalent i.e. ninjutsu, quick question do we have a reason to believe that Jiraiya knows how to use senjutsu?
We have also started to interact with hollow who is the only one with magic circuits

Edit: now for true magic I'm not sure what we could do... but yeah we will need to properly study that soon
 
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Well, there is the particular problem that using Magecraft or True Magic would be a dead giveaway to Chakra sensors. Thus, it makes pragmatic sense to avoid experimenting too much, in order to avoid awkward questions and suspicions.

Alternatively, it is more practical to refine Rin's skill with Chakra first, in order to pretend her Magecraft are experiments in producing useful Jutsu that need as little Chakra as possible.

Finally, if she gets spotted using True Magic at any point, people would want her to move up the ranks even faster. She might be a reincarnation and total genius, but she's also genuinely still growing up.

Mean, she had to be convinced to take the role of Clan Head, having everyone expect her to equal or rival great Konoha ninja like the Sannin or Naruto's dad...

Plus, Rin herself is already well experienced with Magecraft and True Magic, whereas Chakra presents an entirely new challenge to study and experiment with.
 
I don't feel like Rin would equate being a ninja to being a magus. Jutsu use doesn't have the same inherent level of self-lethality that od and mana use does, the planet isn't crushing any attempt to learn, experiment, use... It's a bit more lethal on the "peers trying to kill you" front but you also have more allies than most magus ever do. Also just the differences in goals.

Also I would think Rin's mind would be on the whole attempted coup and massacre issue right now and her answer would be colored by that. Something about how they're all expected and supposed to be Loyal despite being blades and whispers in the night and how easily it breaks down. *Shrug* Don't really know where to take that.
If it were only 'lately', I wouldn't consider it OOC. But she didn't for the past (ALL OF THEM) turns.
Dropping a warning both IC and out here is cool, and taking stats or something away after is fine, but to go "Oh hey, that thing I never bothered to even hint at? Yeah I'm punishing you for that now" is a pretty bad move. QMs are there to keep the game as fair as they can after all.
 
Dropping a warning both IC and out here is cool, and taking stats or something away after is fine, but to go "Oh hey, that thing I never bothered to even hint at? Yeah I'm punishing you for that now" is a pretty bad move. QMs are there to keep the game as fair as they can after all.
IC note is fair. But OOC we've been told a long while ago how Luck works.
 
If it were only 'lately', I wouldn't consider it OOC. But she didn't for the past (ALL OF THEM) turns.

You mean turn 14, which was the immediate aftermath of the Massacre where we wanted to spend as much time as we could with our family and improved our ability to Heal?

Or turn 15, where we were confirmed as Clan Head and needed to spend time starting to politic with everyone in the background?

Or turn 16, which is right now and we didn't have any training options to resolve this turn?

How about turn 17, where we're going to be under the nose of a Sanin and a Dog Summoning Jonin during our training?

IC note is fair. But OOC we've been told a long while ago how Luck works.

Did he specifically say not practicing Magecraft would cause that? I don't exactly remember after it's been so long, but if so then fair enough.

As someone who has only been keeping up with the quest since midhiatus and who has only been reading the thread since the hiatus-ended update, there has been no notice of how Luck works, nor has there been any notice of how Luck works in any Information Threadmarks.
 
I still think Rin would need to put in some effort to avoid making things complicated for herself if someone noticed her Magecraft or True Magic. Does she really want to deal with people wondering about her Chakra-less abilities, or how she managed such powerful feats that should of been impossible for a child regardless of talent?
 
Can we just agree to train magic because Rin is behind on her single most critical skill?
What are you talking about? Magecraft is really not that important. Sure there's an appeal to out of context powers, but when signless Jutsu usage is already a thing, it's not that impressive. Or even that powerful as Ao has said.

As for the Second True Magic, to my understanding it's just drawing energy from other worlds. Not that good without higher skills to support it. And as proven rather dangerous if we accidentally overstep the invisible boundary
 
What are you talking about? Magecraft is really not that important. Sure there's an appeal to out of context powers, but when signless Jutsu usage is already a thing, it's not that impressive. Or even that powerful as Ao has said.

As for the Second True Magic, to my understanding it's just drawing energy from other worlds. Not that good without higher skills to support it. And as proven rather dangerous if we accidentally overstep the invisible boundary

True Magic does have more than one use.
 
As for the person asking about Senjutsu: Rin has forgotten the whole ordeal; she does subconsciously remember that she shouldn't let ambient energy mix with her body, though.
My interpretation was that Kaguya's memory suppression included the possibility to work on true magic, thus why I thought we couldn't work on that at all.

If it were only 'lately', I wouldn't consider it OOC. But she didn't for the past (ALL OF THEM) turns.
In which turn could we have worked on that? As @Walliseatscheese said, "Story 15" was pretty much the only time we realistically had the option to work on magecraft...
 
All right, I retract the punishment. You guys/girls are right; I should have been more clear.

Edit: I also explained the stats a bit, though I might have missed some things.
 
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