that would apply if the Goddesses weren't real. But they are real. Which, completely changes the dynamic involved. If some firebrand priest starts to try and set up a "sacred war" and the Goddesses disagree, they can smite his ass. The People care about the People. So long as no one screws with us, we don't screw with other people. We have Goddesses that could be considered Lawful Good, they don't start wars over nothing.
Replace "firebrand priest" with "significant part of our population" and you'd be closer to what the situation would actually be like.
Even if they do, Arthryn is the head honcho of the group, and she's a Lawful Good, Goddess of the People, Civilisation, Planning, Helping and Compassion. You can't have a holy war if your Goddess doesn't approve of it, and since we have an actual Goddess that can do things, she can stop us from doing stupid things, even if our population for some reason wanted a war. Which I don't really see happening outside of events that would cause us a war from our other Values. I just don't see Sacred War caused by anything but someone attacking us. At which point, sacred war becomes a benefit.
Arthryn's D&D Alignment changes nothing. Road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that jazz. You think the gods will prevent us from doing something stupid, but the gods here aren't omniscient, they're fallible. They'll make the same mistakes humans make, except since they have greater power, the results will be worse.
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I mean, we literally have a goddess capable of seeing the future.
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actually thats a good point. Ya think the allseeress was in on the attack on us? The way I see it she either had no say in it, and defended herself as best she could. Told her followers to attack us before we got too strong, but failed to realize how strong we were. Or maybe she never had a good opportunity to attack us, but once she knew about our threat, decided to attack anyways.
I don't understand. We already have our people under a select group of elites. They are the Elders that run everything. Who serve the Goddesses already.
I thought it was that Mr Big Warrior Dude, wanted to show off how awesome he was and led his people in an attack on us, even though their priests weren't really feeling it was a good idea.
Divine intervention is probably one of the forces capable of shifting the future.
And I think @Random Member is very intent on trying to change that, which would entail picking Values that emphasize the average citizen rather than a spiritual elite.
It was more the hero looking for glory then anything his god was after IIRC
But regular citizens don't have the time, training, or resources to make good long term decisions. Like... every argument against a small elite being in charge is much stronger against a large group.
So, are you trying to make the government of the people a pure democracy or something?
Elites really aren't any better at making good long term decisions. Atleast with the people having the final power, there's less chance of them getting fucked and more chance of them improving their own lot in life.
Problem is, it was her people the Mernttir that got attacked by the nomads.
I disagree regarding elites not having better ability to make long term decisions. They have the training and information to make those decisions. Whilst a regular person does not. They don't have any knowledge of how one aspect of society effects another. You'll get farmers trying to improve the lot of farmers, and hunters trying to improve the lot of hunters, instead of the elders trying to improve things for everyone. Like, I totally get the worry that the elites will just try and better the lot of elites, but that's why having the Goddesses is such a big deal. Especially when our main goddess is one of community. Elites that look after themselves won't last, or even get into a position of power.
Not especially true. Tragedy of the commons is just as much a thing in ancient times as modern.
I am not sure we have much time to hunker down. We can only build two palisades a turn, and that requires us literally stopping everything else we do, including training more warriors (and the passage...). So I think that no matter what option wins here, we should probably either use an action next on getting more warriors next turn or attempt some raiding, depending on what the situation looks like.
Unless the Value has changed significantly since its PoC origin, it pretty much is just getting your farmers and telling them to fight. Now, that doesn't mean it isn't the first step on the road to getting drill masters training large amount of dedicated warriors (because it is), but right now it means levying as many soldiers as we can afford without starving. Hence the quality of sheer quantity.I'm seeing the option not so much as getting a random farmer and telling them to go fight with minimal training. Rather, I'm seeing it as a way to start getting drill and training masters to train large bodies of warriors and then keeping the institutional knowledge when we demobilise. Also, it may be a start to a burgeoning armaments industry. (Military-Industrial complex, ho!)
