Burden of the Emerald Empire (A Legend of the Five Rings Tale)

The banners still felt strange though, with the Mantis banner no longer hanging with the other six, instead rejoining the Dragon Banner on the far wall, as a minor clan. You'd get used to it probably.
Wait... the Dragon are a minor clan now? Did I miss something?

[x] Take the Deal
I am far, far more okay with the idea of letting them poke through it long enough to find something before giving it back than I was with them taking the city permanently. Sure. Go fetch that priceless ancient relic. You have fun with that.

[x] Yes you will
If she simply wishes that we hear what she has to say? We will listen to what she has to say. It's information, if nothing else, and it's conceivable that this preserves our wife's life.

I'm not about to take any "deals" she offers, but I am willing to at least hear her out.
 
@Sirrocco
Because Togashi didn't participate in the Tournament of the Kami, the Dragon banner is traditionally hung across from the Throne Dais rather than beside it like the other 7 great clans, flanked by the minor ones. Which does help keep it symmetrical
 
[x] Take the Deal
[x] Yes you will

This wouldn't the dumbest decision ever made for love in Rokugan.

Not sure what Shahai could possibly want. Asylum for her son? Assuming he isn't tainted naturally.
 
[X] Take the Deal
[X] No you won't

From what I can understand is that this lady is not going to stop here. She has our number, she has found the chink in our armor, and she is going to ruthleslly exploit it.

...Unless we show her the true depths of our determination and will.

I don't want to lose Kaname, she has been one of the few things that have held Hisao together. But if she ever found out that we choose to save her over the wellbeing of the Empire, she would either never forgive us, or she might actually sink even lower in her insecurities of being a burden.

We knew the risks when we chose to open up to her, now, we must do our duty as Emperor.
 
[X] Take the Deal
[X] No you won't

From what I can understand is that this lady is not going to stop here. She has our number, she has found the chink in our armor, and she is going to ruthleslly exploit it.

...Unless we show her the true depths of our determination and will.

I don't want to lose Kaname, she has been one of the few things that have held Hisao together. But if she ever found out that we choose to save her over the wellbeing of the Empire, she would either never forgive us, or she might actually sink even lower in her insecurities of being a burden.

We knew the risks when we chose to open up to her, now, we must do our duty as Emperor.
I honestly suspect that there's a good chance that once Shahai has said whatever it is that she has to say, we'll wind up killing our wife *anyway*. I'm not saying that we should agree with whatever it is that she's asking... but we can hear her out, right?

Or maybe she's lying to us. Maybe she just has our wife under some sort of limited-effectiveness sleeping power and won't be able to bind her forever. As far as she's concerned, "convince the Emperor to kill his wife (whom he loves)" seems like a serious win, no? I mean, there's no way we'd be swording our wife right now if it weren't for what Shahai has just said so... does that mean that we're that confident that she's being honest here?

Heck, as far as she's concerned, knocking off Kaname is a win because it's one less person between our daughters and whoever might be looking to kill them. Our brother's already given up his claim to the throne, after all. Right now, the viable claimants to the throne if we die are our two girls and her son.
 
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Seriously, at this point, what do we lose by hearing her out?

I think that's my real problem here.

It's not like we can't kill Kaname after if we have to, so waiting doesn't betray our duty.

Let's atleast try find out what's happening before we start chopping of the heads of our loved ones.
Adhoc vote count started by Kolekzionera on Jan 31, 2019 at 12:59 AM, finished with 35 posts and 15 votes.
 
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I honestly suspect that there's a good chance that once Shahai has said whatever it is that she has to say, we'll wind up killing our wife *anyway*. I'm not saying that we shoudl agree with whatever it is that she's asking... but we can hear her out, right?

Or maybe she's lying to us. Maybe she just has our wife under some sort of limited-effectiveness sleeping power and won't be able to bind her forever. As far as she's concerned, "convince the Emperor to kill his wife (whom he loves) seems like a serious win, no? I mean, there's no way we'd be swording our wife right now if it weren't for what Shahai has just said so... does that mean that we're that confident that she's being honest here?
Seriously, at this point, what do we lose by hearing her out?

I think that's my real problem here.

It's not like we can't kill Kaname after if we have to, so waiting doesn't betray our duty.

Let's atleast try find out what's happening before we start chopping of the heads of our loved ones.
We lose because we are allowing a denizen of the Shadowlands (Shahai no less) the right to give her case because she is holding a member of our family hostage, meaning that now they know that they can do the same and we will fold. There is no way of knowing if she willl hold her end, and considering all the crap she has done then it seems less and less likely that she will.

I don't want Kaname to die, but we are the Emperor of Rokugan, and the Empire must come first. That's something that Kaname understands, and that we must make sure the enemy understands as well.
 
We lose because we are allowing a denizen of the Shadowlands (Shahai no less) the right to give her case because she is holding a member of our family hostage, meaning that now they know that they can do the same and we will fold. There is no way of knowing if she willl hold her end, and considering all the crap she has done then it seems less and less likely that she will.

I don't want Kaname to die, but we are the Emperor of Rokugan, and the Empire must come first. That's something that Kaname understands, and that we must make sure the enemy understands as well.
That is only relevant if Hisao actually has to choose between the Empire and Kaname. If the choice is between something else we might be able to swing it.
The other reason is that this way we learn something about what Shahai wants (or is pretending to want).

The only reason I would say strike now and damn the consequences is if Kaname is under some kind of life drain effect and Shahai is stalling for time.
But to my eye it seems to be just a damage transfer effect.

Also can I ask how is Shahai actually drinking blood? Whatever blood is in there should have long coagulated by now and become too thick to sip. Is there some Maho solely to keep blood fresh and runny for the single purpose of being pointlessly creepy?
 
That is only relevant if Hisao actually has to choose between the Empire and Kaname. If the choice is between something else we might be able to swing it.
The other reason is that this way we learn something about what Shahai wants (or is pretending to want).

The only reason I would say strike now and damn the consequences is if Kaname is under some kind of life drain effect and Shahai is stalling for time.
But to my eye it seems to be just a damage transfer effect.

Also can I ask how is Shahai actually drinking blood? Whatever blood is in there should have long coagulated by now and become too thick to sip. Is there some Maho solely to keep blood fresh and runny for the single purpose of being pointlessly creepy?
This is Shahai, who has a child that is the son of Daigotsu, and the last descendent of Hantei. Of course it's about the Empire. No matter what she asks or how she phrases it, it is always about the eventual downfall of the Empire.

We cannot show them weakness or that they will be able to get us to talk by holding our family hostage.
 
[x] Take the Deal
[x] Yes you will

The problem with this is not matter how she want to see a chunk in our armour: if we said no and something happen to kaname, she wins, if we see yes, she wins.

this harpy got us right now.
 
Alright let's tally
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And we seem to have a tie.
Adhoc vote count started by gman391 on Feb 3, 2019 at 1:26 AM, finished with 24 posts and 14 votes.
 
Winter Court XI: Words and Sacrifice
You take a deep breath, shifting your stance slightly, the sword lowering to a half guard. Your instinct, your heart, tells you that you dare not do anything to hurt the woman you love. Yet your mind tells you that the first thing to do when someone takes a hostage is to kill the hostage. It was, admittedly not great for the hostage. But, better they die then allow the hostage taker to escape and take more hostages. It was a simple horrifying pragmatic logic, the kind of logic that the Crab used every day. While the blood of Toturi flows through you, so does the Kaiu, leaving you taking deep breaths as you try to fight down your heart in order to make the cut.

The sword swings and you stop just at Shahai's neck, the blade pressing into her skin drawing a thin trickle of blood from your wife's neck, a slight miscalculation either way and nothing would have happened. It takes skill to do this, and you hope she gets the message. You aren't stopping for your wife, you're stopping because knowing her demands means you can begin planning to stop her.

Shahai looks at the sword with widening eyes.

"I admit, I had not thought you a swordsman."

"I was trained by a Kenku, you wretch. Speak tell me what you want, then I'll finish the job."

Shahai's dark eyes flash with something potent, dangerous.

"You do know how to flatter a woman. I wish my son on the throne as his right..."

You cut her off.
"The pure Hantei lost their claim, and your corrupted bloodline--"

Only to be cut off in turn
"Let me finish Usurper, another war suits no one. Thus I proposed we end this feud between our families in the traditional way."

"I'm not marrying my daughter to your son, you absolute madwoman"
That felt too mild for the utter insanity she had proposed, but it would suit.

"Oh no, you never would, Toturi IV the Iron, Toturi IV the Steel Willed, Toturi IV the blessed, would never make such a compromise. Hence proposed...that plan has changed. I am all too aware that your mother's vaunted Clan is out of Jade."

"Even without jade we can fight you." you say.

Shahai laughs and empties her cup.
"True, you can fight me with everything you have, I fully expect you too. But...let me ask you a question oh Toturi, can you fight another Horde on the level of the Maw...and then fight the Yodotai?"

Your hands tighten their grip as you stare her down. Truthfully you didn't know the answer to that. All your heart said yes, that the Emerald Empire was the strongest in the world.
But your mind remembered the reports, of just how much you had needed the other great nations to buy into your pact to keep the Yodotai from attacking you then and there.

The Maw had nearly shattered the Empire, it had only been by the protection of the Heavens that it had been stopped, and even then, It wasn't for two centuries that the Empire had really recovered.

The Yodotai wouldn't wait two centuries.

But, they were mortal...and you would have to trust the outsiders...with them yes, you could. You had to.

"Hai, if we must." You say at last.

Shahai laughs.
"No you can't, I applaud your bravado, but let's dispense with that. The Gaijin, you can't trust them, you don't trust them. And if the Emerald Empire must be sacrificed so that they can get along, they would do it in a heart beat. You would do the same"

"Unlike you my word means something." You say.

"Indeed, but your word to the Empire means rather more." She says.

"Enough of your games. You want your son on the throne that isn't going to happen so long as I or any of my line draw breath." You say.

"Careful, I do know where your daughter is, and if I can get to your wife, I can get to her. I understand your reluctance to wed my son. But I offer you a choice, either agree to a peaceful settlement that sees my son on the throne, or watch the Empire fall, as I shatter the Carpenter Wall, and take everything up to the Spine of the World." Shahai says.

Another sip from the cup apparently refilled.
"Your daughters will die, you will die, I offer you a chance to---"

Shahai grimaces and she reaches for Kaname, it almost looks as if Shai had been punched. A strange interplay appears on the faces of the two women a battle of wills, that Kaname seems to win for a moment.

Kaname sits up and looks at you with deep eyes, eyes that you love.
Her arms tremble as she takes her wakizashi out and plunges it into her chest. Her mouth working in a silent scream as the illusion begins to shimmer and fail.

Blood flows on to the tatami mat as Kaname works the wakizashi carefully, a fleshy nodule falls on to the floor as she collapses, and you can see the tiniest of grains begin to slither toward you. Your sword moves like lightning crushing it before it can do anymore harm.

You run to Kaname trying to stop the bleeding you hear someone screaming for healers. Distantly you realize it's you. Hands fumble against the sucking wound, stained with red that you don't think will ever get clean.

A smooth familiar hand reaches up to caress your face, dark brown eyes filled with love meet yours.

In a cracking, wheezing voice Kaname speaks.
"I'm sorry Hisao...I don't know if I can stay"

"You have to" You whisper.

"I'll try" she says.

"Kaname, I need you"

"Hisao, I need you to promise me something." she rasps.

"Don't talk like this, the healers can fix this." you say.

Indeed you can hear the Seppun and Iuchi barreling through.

"Promise me Hisao, that you'll keep our daughters safe."

"Kaname..."

"Promise me!" she hisses.

"I promise." the words drop from your lips.

You're pulled away by the healers as they begin to work frantically. Distantly you can hear Kotaro asking questions like what happened, and something about how everyone saw your talk with Shahai, but all you can do is look towards the room where Kaname is. Nothing in the world seems to quite matter in this moment.

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[X] ???? (Lion interlude)

Their support is the shakiest and Takeshi knows Kaname personally and what her death could do to Hisao.
 
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