Hold It In (RWBY/Transistor)

Could we use the transistors hilt as the connection point for a pair of turrets battle rifles and a micro missle launcher (junior's bat for an example of such)? Turn the while thing into a fire support platform on top of its programs.

[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe somethingto back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

z3r0gamer said:

Just brainstorming an idea for a weapon; full gauntlet to the shoulder on the left arm, with a short sword or dagger stored somewhere in that mess and able to be drawn via mechashift? It'd let us keep up with the sword/board style we're used to with minimal alterations; deflecting attacks with full armor isn't too different from deflecting them with a kite shield, especially if Jaune's been using Crocea Mors on his forearm instead of in his hand, which is likely given how heavy a kite shield is and how easy it would be to lose grip on it under pressure. Also, helps us manage our bulk. Fewer bits and bobs dangling around, crisper design philosophy than Crocea Mors, and if we just wear the gauntlet when we're sparring or on missions or the like, we'll be able to drop our magic hover sword and block immediately as opposed to having to equip a shield.

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This, unfortunately, has the problem of 'it's mechashifting armour.'

There's a very good reason that stuff didn't catch on beyond stuff like Yang's shotgauntlets, and it involves the words 'sudden and violent mechanical degloving.'

If you don't know what degloving is, let me save you a google and some nightmare fuel, and say it's a form of injury involving a section of skin completely torn away from the body, as if, well, removing a glove. One of the most common ways to end up with that kind of injury is mechanical accidents.

I ain't saying that it's impossible to make, I ain't saying it's not had some wonderful leaps and bounds in recent years...

But people are still gonna look at it and wonder how sane you are.

also Crocea Mors is actually a heater shield, albeit a rather large one, most likely to accommodate his sword as a sheath- the kite shield's origins are unclear, since it's so hard to find any manuscripts from the time it roughly popped up, we can only guess the design appeared in the Byzantine army first and spread from there, based on the earliest illustrations we can find, and I'm getting off track- the heater shield was brought into common use around the 13th century, with more ambiguous evidence showing it around the very tail-end of the 12th century, and they were almost definitely strapped to the forearm, since trying to use a shield to deflect blows without bracing it would most likely break a person's wrist, and I know all this because I'm a FUCKING NEEEEEEEEERD

mastigos said:

@Prok does Process assimilation need matter or is it assimilating chunks of space-time by injecting raw math into the fabric of the universe? Because I have this amazing mental image of launching a Process into space and having it start to take over the void.

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Matter isn't needed, but it does... grease the wheels a little bit. The Process is capable of creating its own material from nothing just via energy-matter reactions, but compared to just assimilating the nitrogen and oxygen in the air, why would it?

The only time it'll need to worry about that is when it's actually in deep, deep space, and by the time you reach that point, I'm sure you'll have dealt with enough stuff to make this worth focusing on in detail.

Red Bovine said:

Oh don't pull that fear-mongering nonsense on top of outright lying. Jaune is perfectly capable of functioning without the Transistor, he just can't use functions without it. Another important thing to note is that hunters don't constantly rely on their semblance all the time and can be extremely deadly with just combat skills. Seriously, one of the main complaints from the show is characters over-relying on their semblance.

Saying that we don't need a backup weapon in case something happens to the Transistor is just underselling the fact that huntsmen are still superhuman without their semblance. Less effective is not the same as completely helpless, especially since we actually spent time getting decent using a sword.

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Eh, he's not... entirely wrong?

Like, it would take a very long time, but eventually, Jaune would become completely useless just because of where his migraines end up- him in bed, under the covers, waiting for the sweet release of death. The Transistor does serve a genuine medical purpose because Jaune can't turn his Semblance off- that's the base criteria for an uncontrollable Semblance. Eventually, he would be incapacitated by pain, but if he doesn't consciously use his Semblance, a la functions, he'll be more or less fine until he fixes the damn thing.

But yes, Jaune is a perfectly competent fighter without a sword, which is fine against a common thug, but in a situation where people are likely to actually attempt killing you, no, his fists would not be enough.

Thankfully, the list of things that can take the Transistor away from you for any appreciable measure of time, especially with those handy dandy defence upgrades that mean it can just Kool-Aid Man its way through anything short of a load-bearing steel beam, is...

Three. Three things long.

The point I'm trying to make is- if you do somehow end up destroying the Transistor, you'll have bigger problems than a backup weapon, like the death of your two best friends, being functionally blind compared to how much information you usually have at hand, and generally just, slowly but surely driving yourself into a panic attack over how fucking dead you are, until you finally pull yourself together and realise that you're still got a hunk of rock to hit things with.

Could we get a tally for the votes?

Prok said:

There's a very good reason that stuff didn't catch on beyond stuff like Yang's shotgauntlets, and it involves the words 'sudden and violent mechanical degloving.'

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Hmm... Maybe just have the outer layer mechashift to hold the sword and rearrange the plating into a bulkier bracer, and have an inner, static layer between the skin and moving parts?

[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe something to back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

[X] Mix n' Match

Prok said:

Matter isn't needed, but it does... grease the wheels a little bit. The Process is capable of creating its own material from nothing just via energy-matter reactions, but compared to just assimilating the nitrogen and oxygen in the air, why would it?

The only time it'll need to worry about that is when it's actually in deep, deep space, and by the time you reach that point, I'm sure you'll have dealt with enough stuff to make this worth focusing on in detail.

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The reason I brought it up is I'm pretty sure The Process should be capable of reversing gravity on itself or otherwise slapping physics across the face until physics gives in and lets a unit fly off into space. Though since matter acts as an accelerant, eating the moon-fragments would be a better kick off point.

z3r0gamer said:

Hmm... Maybe just have the outer layer mechashift to hold the sword and rearrange the plating into a bulkier bracer, and have an inner, static layer between the skin and moving parts?

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That is one of the main advances made, yes.

I'll be honest, something like that would be a ballache to set up properly, both for me, because it already doesn't quite fit with the weapons system I've got in mind, not to mention I would need to actually finish the weapons system, and for you, because finding somebody who still makes formshifting armour is kind of like finding an unobtainium-plated unicorn, and their services are just about as expensive as buying one.

NexysDhyArchen said:

[o]write-in (must be approved by GM before being voted on): Pocket Master: To be the best as there never was~! You have three fourths of a team already, You, Transistor, and the Process via 01. Swap out roles as necessary. Jaune trains enough to be a competent swordsman on his own, Transistor acts as dps and support, the Process brings the transforming pet factor. And really, whats stopping you from shifting roles as needed?

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Oop, missed this-

This is essentially just the active version of Buddy Cop, with the Process involved. Unfortunately, I won't allow it, but not for the reasons you're thinking of- the Process's role in personal combat with Jaune will become clear soon enough.

(Read: sometime in February probably)

mastigos said:

The reason I brought it up is I'm pretty sure The Process should be capable of reversing gravity on itself or otherwise slapping physics across the face until physics gives in and lets a unit fly off into space. Though since matter acts as an accelerant, eating the moon-fragments would be a better kick off point.

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The Process already has a flagrant disregard for gravity in the same way your sword does, and not being Dust-bound for power means that it's most likely going to find other ways to ping an atom or two up to space and eat the moon, don't you worry.

Anyway, a poll was asked for, and here it is:

Mix n' Match currently has more votes than every other option combined, which is, really rather surprising to me. I half-expected Buddy Cop to be the runaway vote, simply because of the idea of doing something completely against the usual flow.

Anyway, I'm closing the vote tomorrow at 8 PM GMT, and something will be up by Thursday- most likely an interlude.

wait a minute, how come it says Crocea Mors isn't ours to take? We're going to Beacon, it's a Legacy Weapon we've been training with, why Wouldn't it be ours to take?

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Oh wait, family heirloom. Never mind.

Prok said:

finding somebody who still makes formshifting armour is kind of like finding an unobtainium-plated unicorn, and their services are just about as expensive as buying one.

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I mean, we have the Process, and we have AutoCAD... just saying

Prok said:

it's most likely going to find other ways to ping an atom or two up to space and eat the moon, don't you worry.

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What if this is what worries me? "Eat the moon" sounds ominous xD

Hmm
Imma go with mix and match too, tbh.
Besides, we can pull away from that and into Lazy Buddy Cop afterwards anyways.
[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe something to back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

I love buddy cop... But we're going to Beacon to learn to fight. There is a difference between not liking melee, and not being capable of it. I would much rather be the wizard who can and will kick someone's ass when they close the distance, as opposed to the wizard who just kinda dies.

Summer rose was an hero. She went alone against the hordes of grimm and fought them on her own. She died for it.

Salem stay safe and in the back. She never died or was at any particular risk.

[X] Buddy Cop Movie That Sh- Your sword. Has an AI in it. Use that. (Use the Transistor as an independent actor-)
-[X] Lean back. Take a load off. Let your sword do all the work for you. (-and take a support role in battle. Act as reconnaissance/communication- leaves you with little personal defence.)

Send the cells out to gloriously die in our name. No need for us to risk anything.

[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe something to back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

Prok said:

The Process already has a flagrant disregard for gravity in the same way your sword does, and not being Dust-bound for power means that it's most likely going to find other ways to ping an atom or two up to space and eat the moon, don't you worry.

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I wasn't worrying about it eventually happening. My thoughts were that it was a convenient target for the near future since there's hopefully less political/grimm issues

archangis said:

Salem stay safe and in the back. She never died or was at any particular risk

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Salem led from the front though. She has certain inherent advantages.

[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe something to back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

[X] Mix n' Match- Maybe something to back you up wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not Crocea Mors, that was never really yours to take, but definitely something along those lines. A sword, or a knife, just... a panic weapon. (Artillery style, long/medium range combat preferred, close combat weapon for panic attacks.)

They're called basics for a reason. We will get fancy with support skills, but it will be after we're not trivially easy to gank.

Tiypo said:

Like Mom said; most hunters have their shift-weapons, we have our functions, but a back up knife/short sword and a Targe (a small shield that's attached to the forearm so the hand can still be used) would be good.

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Prok said:

also Crocea Mors is actually a heater shield, albeit a rather large one, most likely to accommodate his sword as a sheath- the kite shield's origins are unclear, since it's so hard to find any manuscripts from the time it roughly popped up, we can only guess the design appeared in the Byzantine army first and spread from there, based on the earliest illustrations we can find, and I'm getting off track- the heater shield was brought into common use around the 13th century, with more ambiguous evidence showing it around the very tail-end of the 12th century, and they were almost definitely strapped to the forearm, since trying to use a shield to deflect blows without bracing it would most likely break a person's wrist, and I know all this because I'm a FUCKING NEEEEEEEEERD

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A mechashift heater shield that collapses into a compact plate over our forearm for convenience? Likely less complex and more efficient than mechashift armor. Though we'll want additional leg armor, the shield won't cover them.
And maybe a mechashift dagger/sword, also for carrying convenience? Integrated pistol optional.

Though, you are wrong about grip-only shields. Viking-style round shields were like that. Though it does limit how thick and heavy the shield can be, and demands a completely different style of using it because it can and will swivel in your hands, which has both disadvantages and advantages, possibly the biggest being that you can switch which of your sides is covered by the shield and from which you strike with your sword. See here and here for details. (Same video, different timestamps.)

Also, we have to figure out how to use the Transistor as a hoverboard. "Drive me closer, I want to hit them with my sword!"