The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
While the price is going to decrease the amount we can buy and what else we can trade wil also decrease than. Right now we have very little to trade until the hyper juvent comes online.
Sadly spray painting Warp Spiders bright pastel patterns and selling them as tourist novelties is unlikely to bring in meaningful returns. Sadly.
 
@Enjou ok think of it like these. With the colonies coming online and with the core worlds bringing even more industry online our buying power is also going to decrease. The colonies are going to drive down the credit we get for most of our trade. So while AM and EM is going to down our buying power is also going to go down since we do not have that much that is valuable to trade for AM and EM. I think we should wait till we find out how much we can get without going overboard on buying since than We will have to pay interest on.

I don't really buy this argument. First, nobody has ever charged interest on the loans given out in this quest. Second, getting into debt is fine here. The worlds are willing to let eachother have big debts because trade keeps the worlds working, and worlds working means a better survival chance.

Debt is more likely to be used as leverage for political favors, and given our debt is primarily to people we're allied with that's not really all that big of a problem.

Also @Enjou you have two actions upgrading Signe's Choice to a small hive in the personal section, was one of those supposed to be a different city?

Signe is our Administratum head. It's saying that she chooses which cities to upgrade.
 
[X] Plan Nurgle T111

I do want us to consider having Lin watch over Ridcully when he goes to look at the tzeetchian super weapon (I am not sure how likely this worst case scenario is to happen so I'm not pushing it...........but if it does its horrendous. so I want us to think about it)

I will also state that part of the reason that I'm voting for this one is cas we DONT need more super solders... yes its a concern that we might lose it somewhat for not expanding it. but we already win every ground battle. I am concerned about other types of battles. such as fleet battles, hero battles and WMDs

also. even if we go with the idea that Ridcully should not transcend. we still need to learn about it to even hypothetically stop it.
(although I suspect such a thing would involve getting ridcully to act in a different way. to stop him from being precieved as the blind seer guy)
 
I don't really buy this argument. First, nobody has ever charged interest on the loans given out in this quest. Second, getting into debt is fine here. The worlds are willing to let eachother have big debts because trade keeps the worlds working, and worlds working means a better survival chance.

Debt is more likely to be used as leverage for political favors, and given our debt is primarily to people we're allied with that's not really all that big of a problem.



Signe is our Administratum head. It's saying that she chooses which cities to upgrade.
Durin said after a 1.5 million credits we have to start paying interest. He brought it up the last High council meeting. While I agree in buying as much AM and Em as possible I believe we need to figure how much we can trade for and it get into too deep with other powers.
 
[X] Plan Enjou T111

There are a couple major problems with Plan Nurgle. It opts out of warning Eldrad about Vect's deal because "we shouldn't bother him too much" despite how massively important that information is. That is a mindbogglingly bad evaluation of the situation. He also wants to divine Armaggedon for some reason, despite the fact that knowing about the Orks as a whole - how many high-level Waaaghs there are in particular - would make it a lot easier for us to convince the High Council of some of our proposals.

EDIT: It also has us talking about stealth and reactor implementation, even though that's the domain of the Mechanicus and the Mechanicus alone. To ask about that, it sacrifices asking about the rather important topic of giving alien tech to Avernite civilisations, which would be something that the rest of the Trust actually has a say in.
 
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[X] Plan Enjou T111

There are a couple major problems with Plan Nurgle. It opts out of warning Eldrad about Vect's deal because "we shouldn't bother him too much" despite how massively important that information is. That is a mindbogglingly bad evaluation of the situation. He also wants to divine Armaggedon for some reason, despite the fact that knowing about the Orks as a whole - how many high-level Waaaghs there are in particular - would make it a lot easier for us to convince the High Council of some of our proposals.

EDIT: It also has us talking about stealth and reactor implementation, even though that's the domain of the Mechanicus and the Mechanicus alone. To ask about that, it sacrifices asking about the rather important topic of giving alien tech to Avernite civilisations, which would be something that the rest of the Trust actually has a say in.
Last I saw, there were 100 t3 Waaghs, and 3 t4
 
-Y4: Divination (Turoq)
@Enjou, I think you should use Greater Divination instead. We don't really need the extra +20% chance of success that Divination gives us. Using Greater Divination spares us an action, which I think we should use to divine the leader of the Princedom himself. Best case scenario is we get his True Name, which makes killing or banishing him a lot easier.
 
I also would like to mention every time we contact Eldrad it takes away from him stoping the galaxy from ending. That is why it is a bad idea to keep contacting him and why I only want to do it once.
 
I also would like to mention every time we contact Eldrad it takes away from him stoping the galaxy from ending. That is why it is a bad idea to keep contacting him and why I only want to do it once.
We want to tell him about something that will massively boost Slaanesh's power and about a full, unsharded Star God. If ever there were things we should tell him about, it should be those things. Your evaluation that those are not sufficiently important to tell him about is wrong.

Furthermore, I object to your usage of "keep". That implies we often contact him, and that that's why we shouldn't tell him about two extremely important galactic-scale events, even though we've never contacted him at all.
 
I also would like to mention every time we contact Eldrad it takes away from him stoping the galaxy from ending. That is why it is a bad idea to keep contacting him and why I only want to do it once.
As long as it includes the proverbial phone number with a sultry 'for a good time, call...' preface, delegation should be possible. He may be the most important mortal-ish thing in the galaxy right now, but I'm sure he has other people to handle the details.

Even if he needs to make sure you aren't the thing about to end the galaxy.
 
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After reading the quest a few days ago could have sworn we already looked at the relationship between Avernus and the other planets listed. Unless I'm mistaken that just seems like wastes of actions. Also isn't it about time we started looking into expanding into other regions? It has been a while afterall.
 
@Enjou, I think you should use Greater Divination instead. We don't really need the extra +20% chance of success that Divination gives us. Using Greater Divination spares us an action, which I think we should use to divine the leader of the Princedom himself. Best case scenario is we get his True Name, which makes killing or banishing him a lot easier.

We can only use a total of three Greater Divinations in a given turn, including the free one.
 
Enjou,

* You have an Aria slot free (After her Mentoring: Alpha). Mentoring (Beta) wouold be perfect there.
* I would motion we try to spend more time with Saint Lin, particularly since he's going to die soon. Not necessarily in this turn, but in the coming ones. (Also with Ridcully, bcus he's most important character.)

Other than that, it seems alright.

[X] Enjou
I don't really buy this argument. First, nobody has ever charged interest on the loans given out in this quest. Second, getting into debt is fine here. The worlds are willing to let eachother have big debts because trade keeps the worlds working, and worlds working means a better survival chance.
Actually, Durin has implemented Interest Rate, but the amount is quite low.
 
@Enjou Didn't we already look into the relationship between Avernus and the two planets you have listed for the diplomacy actions?

On a different note is there a reason we are spending a ton of resources expanding hives? They take forever to fill and if any of our cities are in danger of being filled we can just have some of the population in said cities moved to one of the nearby hives. Just seem awefully wasteful and inefficient to expand a bunch of cities into hives when we don't really need to and it seems like it would be impractical. Seems like it would be more practical to just expand into a new region since that comes with tons of benefits even if it is a bit costly in the short term.
 
there are a few things i'm not sure about for nurgls plan. sounding out about tech stuff seems wrong. it's admech thing, so i'm not sure if it's appropriate for us to talk to other worlds about it. I'm also not sure about contacting eldrad before the high council meeting, espically for warnings that he likly knows. We should at least ask about a easier way to get in touch with his people.
 
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I'd prefer it if we used Personal Attention on a couple of Diplomacy actions so we can get Lulana and Areatha's character sheets.
 
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