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An Extra Primarch

Should the Quest switch to a Narrative Base?

  • Yes, it will streamline things.

    Votes: 345 40.6%

  • No, I prefer the current system.

    Votes: 127 14.9%

  • Yes, but not until the Crusade begins/Prologue ends.

    Votes: 378 44.5%
  • Total voters
    850
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@tri2 So, the GM recently told us about this.

ilbgar123 said:
Patience, Perseverance, and Bravery are still required in addition to the ones you already have up if you want Humanity. Reason is basically the same thing as Logic.
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And I figured that a Humanity Crystal would probably be good for getting Big E to like our Deity.

So, while I wait for the GM to give us more info so we can figure out if it's possible to fit Patience, Perseverance, and Bravery into the top 15, I figured we should discuss what changes we'd make to the plan to actually get them in? Cause we can either spend another 2 Actions and just buy the set, or we can keep the action plan as it is and just get rid of some of our current Crystals to make room for them.

I was thinking we could swap out Cleanse, Warding, Explosives, and Electronics maybe? I'd hate to see them go, the first two have a lot of promise and I know you want all the Stat and Skill Training boosts possible, but basically everything in this list is really useful so it's tough to make cuts and those feel like the weak points to me. What do you think?

Again, we could always spend another 2 actions on it, but we are already spending a ton of actions on it (though to be fair we won't touch it for another 6-7 years afterwards by command of the Emperor) and doing more may risk making the Emperor annoyed with us although thankfully that should happen after he makes the decision on whether or not to spare the Crystal Deity.

Thoughts?
 
King Arthur said:
@tri2 So, the GM recently told us about this.



And I figured that a Humanity Crystal would probably be good for getting Big E to like our Deity.

So, while I wait for the GM to give us more info so we can figure out if it's possible to fit Patience, Perseverance, and Bravery into the top 15, I figured we should discuss what changes we'd make to the plan to actually get them in? Cause we can either spend another 2 Actions and just buy the set, or we can keep the action plan as it is and just get rid of some of our current Crystals to make room for them.

I was thinking we could swap out Cleanse, Warding, Explosives, and Electronics maybe? I'd hate to see them go, the first two have a lot of promise and I know you want all the Stat and Skill Training boosts possible, but basically everything in this list is really useful so it's tough to make cuts and those feel like the weak points to me. What do you think?

Again, we could always spend another 2 actions on it, but we are already spending a ton of actions on it (though to be fair we won't touch it for another 6-7 years afterwards by command of the Emperor) and doing more may risk making the Emperor annoyed with us although thankfully that should happen after he makes the decision on whether or not to spare the Crystal Deity.

Thoughts?
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let's go with removing some crystals
 
tri2 said:
Explosives
Electronics
Luck
Accuracy

edit: maybe martial and tactics as well?
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I'd switch out martial instead of luck as the Crystal god isn't going to be fighting for a while but still needs the knowledge to help it survive. Plus if the Emperor thinks it's less threatening that's only all the better for us.
 
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You guys sure about removing crystals? Especially those ones?

But if the crystals removed makes it more human then go for it...just be careful.
 
Wind-Up Citrus said:
It's for a good cause, the cause being keeping the god from being super murdered by the Emperor.
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I think the term your looking for here is peaceful euthanization...that involves a lot of blood, screaming, hacked off limbs and mind rape. Kind of like what the Emperor did to Magnus's hopes and dreams.

Also do you think Emps will let us put the Crystal god in a no kill warp god shelter if it won't behave?
 
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Sir LagsAlot said:
I think the term your looking for here is euthanized. Kind of like what the Emperor did to Magnus's hopes and dreams.

Also do you think Emps will let us put the Crystal god in a no kill warp god shelter if it won't behave?
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More likely he'll just either kill it or make us create crystals that force it to obey. Lobotomize what's essentially your grandchild into a souped up Servitor? Eh I could see the Emperor doing that.
 
tri2 said:
Explosives
Electronics
Luck
Accuracy

edit: maybe martial and tactics as well?
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We only need to get rid of 4 ..... I'd quite like to keep Luck if only because we aren't going to be able to make more Crystals for another 6 turns and, I mean, it has a decent amount of increase survival Crystals but I sort of figured we'd be adding more next turn or every other turn at the longest. 6 turns without an upgrade is quite a bit of time when you've made this big of an entrance.

Maybe we actually should do 5 and swap out, I don't know, Tactics for Stealth just to give it an extra little survivability boost? I did just remember the GM saying that Creativity would basically be a giant Tactics: Cleverness Boost so it that should pick up some of the slack there. Tactics is probably pretty useful for survival but probably not as good as being invisible, though Concealment does a lot for hiding.
 
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Wind-Up Citrus said:
More likely he'll just either kill it or make us create crystals that force it to obey. Lobotomize what's essentially your grandchild into a souped up Servitor? Eh I could see the Emperor doing that.
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Eh, I don't blame the guy personally I'd lobotomize my warp god grandchild as well if I thought it was going to be a threat to my self or my species.

...Jesus Christ the stuff I say here is almost as bad as the stuff I do in CK2.
 
Way I see it, you get Emps not to kill our shiny baby by: (1) Making it as non threatening to humanity as possible *by the Emperor's lights*, and (2). Making sure it's too useful to kill even in the long term. Thing is, (1) is kinda a crap shoot right now... And IC, I think that except for Malcador no one, not even Magnus quite realises how big a berserk button anything to do with religion can be for Emps.
 
Luinithil said:
Way I see it, you get Emps not to kill our shiny baby by: (1) Making it as non threatening to humanity as possible *by the Emperor's lights*, and (2). Making sure it's too useful to kill even in the long term. Thing is, (1) is kinda a crap shoot right now... And IC, I think that except for Malcador no one, not even Magnus quite realises how big a berserk button anything to do with religion can be for Emps.
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I mean if we can convince him that is is the cause of a New God coming in to being, we may have our Crystel on in the clear.
 
@ilbgar123 curious since we already made a gravity crystal could we make some crystals with the other fundamental interactions? I imagine if we used the highest grade of all four together we would be basically a material god.

Also was wondering what would happen if we made an energy crystal? Since pure energy isn't an actual thing would it just create any type of energy we want in large amounts?
 
If the Humanity crystal is going through, I would ask that a crystal eventually be made for every other species to join the Bastion as well, along with allies like the Aeldari. I do not want this deity to advance humanity at the expense of the others.
 
Massgamer said:
@ilbgar123 curious since we already made a gravity crystal could we make some crystals with the other fundamental interactions? I imagine if we used the highest grade of all four together we would be basically a material god.

Also was wondering what would happen if we made an energy crystal? Since pure energy isn't an actual thing would it just create any type of energy we want in large amounts?
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10% of an Energy Crystal's energy is literally made from nothing.
Tzaphquiel said:
If the Humanity crystal is going through, I would ask that a crystal eventually be made for every other species to join the Bastion as well, along with allies like the Aeldari. I do not want this deity to advance humanity at the expense of the others.
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We can also at a later date craft a Sophost Crystal. It can boost all sentient alien races.
 
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[x] Plan Why Serras Should Not(?) Drink Recaff


Alright two things.

1. Modularity: For the reasons I came up with before picking this up for our polity would be amazing.

2. System Defences: This is also a research action also...

Both can be added to the list now that some actions have been freed up from material science no longer requirng so many action right?
 
I agree, first humanity crystal, then Sophost crystal, just to cover our allies and making sure that we hit the "Humanity first" button on the emperor before we start allying with other species crystals...I really don't want our efforts to go to waste and for chaos to get all the other crystals outside their domain.

here's to hoping it passes the emperors test! (get humanity crystals! we can wait a few turns, even if we have to move some of the crystals around in order of creation, would rather it survive and then have the chance of survival while its under the emperors protection...even if its limited.)
 
Can we make an Eldar Crystal that excludes those who would become Dark Eldar?

Or Crystals to Buff the Nice Eldar Gods.

All this talk about Dad murdering our kid is super souring me on him. This could totally be us.

We need more diplomacy and perception perks. Especially debuff murdering ones.
 
Larekko12 said:
Can we make an Eldar Crystal that excludes those who would become Dark Eldar?

Or Crystals to Buff the Nice Eldar Gods.

All this talk about Dad murdering our kid is super souring me on him. This could totally be us.

We need more diplomacy and perception perks. Especially debuff murdering ones.
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Yeah this is why I am very wary about our relationship with the Emperor, as good as he is, doesn't see nor care for the individual. If Sanguinius hid secrets from the Emperor because he didn't want to get murdered we won't fare much better. And IC Serras would have reason to know that the Emperor isn't going to side with her on several issues and is sort of ruthless.

He has a ludicrous -50,000 check when it comes to religion and a -10,000 check when it comes to changing his mind. We might not have been able to even get the deal we got if not for our Karma -> Speech perk. We didn't even get to see the check for what's above Moderate Restrictions because the check for that was pretty high.
 
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As far as dark Eldar go, wouldn't they be turned off by all the Order and Purity? I'm honestly more worried about Void Dragon getting his mitts on them.
 
yeah, this is why while I say we go for SL ranks, maybe we CAN change his mind...the hardest fought battles are often the most rewarding in some cases.

besides this is 40k...he is literally the best chance we have against chaos right now...

he's and asshole, and he's damn right to be so in this crap-sack of a galaxy. especially if he's lived since during humanities primal stage, and has time to see what religion does to people. I'm sure he can relate to those who do religion and are generally good people. that's on the individual level though, its the grand scale of things that eventually gets messed up.

frankly, I can agree with how false prophets and liars that turned to chaos and subvert religion to their own goals could be twisted so. even if religion does provide a sense of protection with knowledge of the Deamons and their ilk, as well as anti-religion does to.

however we MIGHT be able to convince him he's accidently creating a whole new chaos god of non-belief if we team up with Magnus about the imperial truth when we talk about it.

combine that with SL ranks between the three of us, along with horus if we can get him on our side...we stand a good chance of preventing logar from going to chaos in the long run...especially if we can kill ko-pharon or have logar see what a liar and manipulator that Ko-pharon is and get Erebus on our side of the deal.

my plan is to get a sort of improved version of the imperial truth, rather then deny the existence of "gods" it promotes humanity to believe in themselves and each other, to grow stronger with discipline and willpower.

there are several stories out there that have tried this, and frankly I consider "Imperial Ascendant" from space battle to be one of the best. (its pretty damn good people, I suggest you go check it out! we might get some good ideas from that creative writing story!)

also QM what's the chances that we can convince the emperor to at least send the thunder-warriors on the most dangerous missions that the legions face during the great crusade? (such as attacking Xeno-empires that enslave humans, and are general assholes to the point the dark eldar are impressed and such) essentially having the emperor spare the thunder warriors from the sword and try to fix them...

especially if we can get to terra in time? Because us spending a year with him to improve the thunder warriors themselves so that they may have a place as the emperors own Hammer in case a legion or two (I'm looking at the Lost Legions here...) go rouge and need to be put down as fast as possible.

if were pragmatic about it and offer to help we could save the thunder warriors and do some good karma stuff to get our karma score up higher (and also get our speech up better as well)


finally: I suggest we get the Space marine package up and running at primaris levels this next turn if only to give our daughters time to grow in both numbers and experience so we can be prepared for the eventually waagghh that's going to hit the bastion. being our super-elites to hold the line and hit the places where the orks presence are heaviest (as in to prevent as many casualties as possible and to draw the orks into death-traps and such) while we kill the warbosses along with our own body-guard.
 
ExNihilo said:
As far as dark Eldar go, wouldn't they be turned off by all the Order and Purity? I'm honestly more worried about Void Dragon getting his mitts on them.
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They should be. IIRC Dark Eldar are far less adept in psionics than their Eldar cousins.

Well if the Void Dragon nabs the crystals, the Emperor only has himself to blame for not telling us about a C'tan on Mars.
 
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