The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

I'm thinking we should throw everything we have at the orks. We're done here. The Valinorians don't have anything left that could threaten us. We could pound them into dust with our artillery alone. Definitely send Xavier and co so we can try for that thermonuclear battle tiger again.

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

Durin said:
1. so far yes, he almost killed Surt in one of them and if you did not have biomancer support and teleport beacons to escape he would have

Bloody hell

I know Surt isn't specced for 1v1 duels, but still.

@Durin
1. What kind of combat are we looking at here for the Warboss?
2. Wait are there any descent classes over on Mar Sara?
3. Can Ridcully start providing long range support now? IIRC you said that he could communicate with them in close enough to real time via librarian comms.
4. Is Surt back on his feet, or is he still laid out? I mean there should be order of restoration healers on hand to help him?
5. Is Surt in new Terminator Armour or is he still in his old plate?
6. Did Syr originally die and was saved by you spotting the mistake?

With any luck we're going to get plenty of veterancy and traits out of that.

You know what we need.

TITANS...like seriously the Aesire wouldn't be taking nearly as bad casualties if we had some ****ing upgraded* titans.

*I specify upgraded, because our normal ones would get shredded instantly?

Actually given that it will force conservatives like Bertil to acknowledge the orks as bad it may boost the progressive Agenda like Scott's as she can argue that just sticking to current methods is unsustainable.

We need those new Titans to counter the upgraded Gargants ect.

nat_401 · Feb 12, 2018

I hate to throw our elites into the fire again but we just can't lose Mara Sara now, we need to stamp out this Waaargh and start replenishing our troop numbers for the next Waaargh ASAP.

Durin · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
Bloody hell

I know Surt isn't specced for 1v1 duels, but still.

@Durin
1. What kind of combat are we looking at here for the Warboss?
2. Wait are there any descent classes over on Mar Sara?
3. Can Ridcully start providing long range support now? IIRC you said that he could communicate with them in close enough to real time via librarian comms.
4. Is Surt back on his feet, or is he still laid out? I mean there should be order of restoration healers on hand to help him?
5. Is Surt in new Terminator Armour or is he still in his old plate?
6. Did Syr originally die and was saved by you spotting the mistake?

With any luck we're going to get plenty of veterancy and traits out of that.

You know what we need.

TITANS...like seriously the Aesire wouldn't be taking nearly as bad casualties if we had some ****ing upgraded* titans.

*I specify upgraded, because our normal ones would get shredded instantly?

1. Near Paragon at least
2. Yes, they are a major help
3. Not at the level that fights are happening on, it is less real time more three hour delay which while still useful is less valuable
4. Back on his feet
5. His old plate
6. I never rolled

PurposefulZephyr · Feb 12, 2018

godofsmallthings said:
I dunno if we should take all the elites with us..

We do leave Phase-Tigers and three heroes.
I mean, they have no elites, no psykers, no heroes. None.
As far as current invasion is concerned- best they can do is start sacrificing people to summon a 3rd Circle, somehow.

One fear is some other force launching a surprise attack... but we have a master diviner who saw nothing like that.
So two worst case scenarios here:
1)A random enemy fleet appears in our system, going specifically for Avernus.
We pull back our heroes and go back. At worst the forces there will face a month of defense.
Mind you- what we faced here was entirety of Valinor, military-wise. Shit like that draws attention of diviners.
Whatever force manages to surprise us won't be big enough to threaten us.
2)A demon invasion occurs!
We have Lin. And two anti-demon psykers. And Avernus, with our glory-stealing Alpha transcendent.

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

[X] Plan Stomping Orks and Securing Home
-[X] Take Half of your available fleet as escorts.
-[X] Heroes: Governor Rotbart, High Grandmaster Ridcully, Grandmaster Xavier, Grandmaster Jameson, Grandmaster Aria, Jacob Oakheart
-[X] Elites: Black Irons, three quarters of the Last Hunters, Phase-Tigers
-[X] Take all of your Helguard
-[X] Take all of your Battle Psykers except for one of the Telepath Choirs
-[X] Take all of your Helltroopers
-[X] Take Three Quarters of your PDF
-[X] Other
--[X] Saint Lin will continue to ensure the spiritual purity of the Avernite people by whatever means necessary
--[X] The Telepath Choir, the remaining Last Hunters, and Jane Oakheart will root out the sleeper agents the Valinorians planted
--[X] Ridcully will assist with the Mar Sara battle while en route at a maximum sustainable rate.

The Helltroopers and up are supposed to be mentally resilient enough to fight on daemon worlds. The PDF are not. They cannot be trusted as much as the others and so additional vigilance must be enforced on them. We must root out the traitors amongst them and not allow a single one of their corrupted members to leave the system.

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

@Durin
1. A question. Given that this will force conservatives like Bertil to acknowledge the new orks as a major threat will it boost the progressive Agenda. For example could Scott could she use the example of the upgraded Gargants to demonstrate how that just sticking to current methods is unsustainable. We need those new Titans to counter the upgraded Gargants ect. or we're going to be taking unsustainable casualties all the time.

Durin said:
1. Near Paragon at least

Whooooo
2. I mean Surt is a paragon before Surtbrander so how much of the Warbosses danger is due to the Waaargh?

Durin said:
3. Not at the level that fights are happening on, it is less real time more three hour delay which while still useful is less valuable

3. Could Ridcully do that and not exhaust himself? I mean if he can do it even if it isn't much I still say do it.
4. How different would the fight have been if he'd had a new suit of Terminator Plate.

Also can I just say I love the Fire Giants... THEY CAN'T HIT US IF WE'RE ON FIRE!!!

PurposefulZephyr said:
Mind you- what we faced here was entirety of Valinor, military-wise. Shit like that draws attention of diviners.

Not all of it. They had 6 waves they only got to bring in 2. They can't bring in the other 4 cause they've got no transports.

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
Not all of it. They had 6 waves they only got to bring in 2. They can't bring in the other 4 cause they've got no transports.

The remainder is chaff. They might as well be especially ferocious bunny rabbits for all the good it would've done them.

inverted_helix · Feb 12, 2018

Durin said:
21 Mass Convoyers
530 Transports

Is this the number that managed to escape? The others have an out of number.

Durin said:
1. so far yes, he almost killed Surt in one of them and if you did not have biomancer support and teleport beacons to escape he would have

Damn that's impressive considering Surt is one of the top three and possibly the number one combatant in the Trust.

Andres110 said:
The Valinorians don't have anything left that could threaten us. We could pound them into dust with our artillery alone.

I'm much more worried about abomination cults in Dis than the Valinorians outside it. The last time we had a major chaos attack we had like a quarter of the population fall to chaos cults. If that happens now with more than like 80-85% of the military away, it could be near impossible to stop. Our "civilians" are way more threatening than the Valinorian chaff.

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

Durin said:
Abomination defence d100=25+50(numbers)-10(EW)-20(Abomination)-50(fleeing)=-5: Negative number critical failure

Another example of why I'm so insistent on doing EW whenever we can.

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

Andres110 said:
The remainder is chaff. They might as well be especially ferocious bunny rabbits for all the good it would've done them.

You know if chaos actually did that at some point I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

And as the Imperium has demonstrated chaff is useful in large enough numbers

inverted_helix said:
Damn that's impressive considering Surt is one of the top three and possibly the number one combatant in the Trust.

Its very impressive, though obviously a bunch of caveats...

I get the feeling if it didn't have the waaargh the story would have been different (it gets...its level 2 so +200 to ground rolls and +40% to armour penetration damn that's probably most of it.) Of course its the Warboss the nexus of the Waargh energies so its possible its bonus is even higher.

Edit no its not its level 2 shit

Still bloody hell...but I'd reckon Horatius would probably do better than Surt against him. Its just not Surt's match up.

inverted_helix said:
I'm much more worried about abomination cults in Dis than the Valinorians outside it. The last time we had a major chaos attack we had like a quarter of the population fall to chaos cults. If that happens now with more than like 80-85% of the military away, it could be near impossible to stop.

Big difference between Daemonic incursion that affected the entire planet and killed about 80% of our security forces and what we have here.

Its not great so I'm not inclined to send everything, but Jane should be able to handle it by tightening up security for a little bit if needed bring in extra help from other hives especially seeing how we expected this and so can go right into cult suppression.

Still its going to be a problem until we can get those damned ships out of our hives

@PurposefulZephyr @Andres110 can you add into your plans Ridcully giving Mar Sara long range help via librarians? Every little helps.

Subject to change of course.

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

inverted_helix said:
I'm much more worried about abomination cults in Dis than the Valinorians outside it. The last time we had a major chaos attack we had like a quarter of the population fall to chaos cults. If that happens now with more than like 80-85% of the military away, it could be near impossible to stop. Our "civilians" are way more threatening than the Valinorian chaff.

My plan is good if you're worried about this. All of our PDF is left behind, our premier cultist hunter is there to root out heretics, Last Hunters and Telepaths are there to assist her, and Saint Lin will do his own substantial part in reducing the severity of Chaos cults.

Durin · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
@Durin
1. A question. Given that this will force conservatives like Bertil to acknowledge the new orks as a major threat will it boost the progressive Agenda. For example could Scott could she use the example of the upgraded Gargants to demonstrate how that just sticking to current methods is unsustainable. We need those new Titans to counter the upgraded Gargants ect. or we're going to be taking unsustainable casualties all the time.

Whooooo
2. I mean Surt is a paragon before Surtbrander so how much of the Warbosses danger is due to the Waaargh?

3. Could Ridcully do that and not exhaust himself? I mean if he can do it even if it isn't much I still say do it.
4. How different would the fight have been if he'd had a new suit of Terminator Plate.

Also can I just say I love the Fire Giants... THEY CAN'T HIT US IF WE'RE ON FIRE!!!

Not all of it. They had 6 waves they only got to bring in 2. They can't bring in the other 4 cause they've got no transports.

1. yes
2. a lot of it also the Warlord is more specced for dueling then Surt
3. no
4. he would have died

Artemis1992 · Feb 12, 2018

I guess now we have proof that Surt is not secretly a Primarch those don't die so easily.

Dalve Sepet might still be Alpharius though.

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

Durin said:
4. he would have died

Whoooo
@Durin
1. How would have had better armour been more likely to kill Surt? Lack of familiarity?...or do you mean the Warboss was the one who would have died?

Artemis1992 said:
Dalve Sepet might still be Alpharius though.

No no.

We know who Sepet is...he's Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM transcendent intrigue due to all those years running away

Oh I just noticed the Orks get attack Moons and War worlds at levels 4 and 5 respectively...that's cool.

Chronic · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
1. How would have had better armour been more likely to kill Surt? Lack of familiarity?...or do you mean the Warboss was the one who would have died?

Maybe it isn't better? Isn't Surtrs current armor a high tier relic?

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

Chronic said:
Maybe it isn't better? Isn't Surtrs current armor a high tier relic?

Yeah, but the Terminator armour is better? The Terminator armour can also be brought up to high relic...fairly easily...

The VG brought along some high relic suits of old power armour, but they're not using them as far as I know.

PurposefulZephyr · Feb 12, 2018

Andres110 said:
The Helltroopers and up are supposed to be mentally resilient enough to fight on daemon worlds. The PDF are not. They cannot be trusted as much as the others and so additional vigilance must be enforced on them. We must root out the traitors amongst them and not allow a single one of their corrupted members to leave the system.

1.Avernus is not a daemon world and this invasion, while bloody, wasn't an incursion. There are sleeper agents and rising cults in our cities right now. What isn't there is any mention in Durin's text that our forces are heavily infiltrated like that.
2.Our population has specific traits against chaos' influence: Pious and Strong Will. Even PDF (Avernite PDF) should stand a good chance against corruption.
3.We need PDF and everything we can spare to fight with Orks. Are some of our soldiers corrupted? Unless they plan an actual sabotage, it's not going to matter.

By the way- would it be better to get Phase-Tigers to Mar Sara instead of Last Hunters?
I feel both are roughly equivalent, but Dalv is more broken, so he might spring a surprise on the warboss or something Ridculous like that.
Also Xavier has fantastic synergy bonuses with them.

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
@PurposefulZephyr @Andres110 can you add into your plans Ridcully giving Mar Sara long range help via librarians? Every little helps.

Didn't Durin say it would have no effect?

PurposefulZephyr said:
By the way- would it be better to get Phase-Tigers to Mar Sara instead of Last Hunters?

Phase-Tigers are better against groups, Last Hunters are better against individual targets and at sabotage.

@Durin, how infiltrated is our PDF?

Doomed Wombat · Feb 12, 2018

Andres110 said:
Didn't Durin say it would have no effect?

No it has an effect, not a massive one, but an effect which is more than we can otherwise do.

However it might tire him out before he arrives.

PurposefulZephyr · Feb 12, 2018

Andres110 said:
Didn't Durin say it would have no effect?

Durin said:
3. Not at the level that fights are happening on, it is less real time more three hour delay which while still useful is less valuable

Sadly, we can't get Ridcully to focus down on the Warboss, because the delay from his divination to it being relayed to fighting troops would make it useless.
But telling forces on Mar Sara that, say, Refinery BF 1138 is going to be bombarded in next 2 days? That's useful.

Doomed Wombat said:
@PurposefulZephyr @Andres110 can you add into your plans Ridcully giving Mar Sara long range help via librarians? Every little helps.

I honestly would prefer to save his powers for the time we'll be in command.
I want to use his abilities to allow for some crazy shenanigans, just like we did with 3rd Circle Archangyl.
With two elite stealth forces and a bunch of heroes, it should be possible to pull off some amazing stunts here as well.

Durin · Feb 12, 2018

Doomed Wombat said:
Whoooo
@Durin
1. How would have had better armour been more likely to kill Surt? Lack of familiarity?...or do you mean the Warboss was the one who would have died?

No no.

We know who Sepet is...he's Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM transcendent intrigue due to all those years running away

Oh I just noticed the Orks get attack Moons and War worlds at levels 4 and 5 respectively...that's cool.

1. his armour is a one of a kind relic from the Dark Age, far superior to your terminator armour

Andres110 said:
Didn't Durin say it would have no effect?

Phase-Tigers are better against groups, Last Hunters are better against individual targets and at sabotage.

@Durin, how infiltrated is our PDF?

not very, if given enough time to fester it will become an issue but that would take years

on the Ridcully issue he can assist whether he stays at home or in the warp

Andres · Feb 12, 2018

My plan has been changed. Taking 3 quarters of the PDF and Ridcully will help with the battle at maximum sustainable rate so that he'll be able to do thermonuclear battle tiger once he gets there.

Enjou · Feb 12, 2018

So, just in regards to what forces to take, remember that Avernus will have its own problems - Chaos Psykers are a problem for us, so taking too many battle psykers could cause us some serious pain if a powerful one shows up, which may damn well become a problem. So might be good to leave the Last Hunters so they can do their job, as well, since that's what they're for, far more than being used in battle against Orks.

SirHades2.0 · Feb 12, 2018

So uh; I think Rotbart may need to revise his earlier estimates of 50-80% of Humanity getting wiped out.

Because it's so much worse; we had as much advance warning as one could get, powerful technology and knew where the battle was yet this Waaagh has hammered us.

@Durin;
1. Has Rotbart readjusted his earlier estimates of how much of humanity will survive the Green Tide now that he has a better measure of it?

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