People outside the US tend to like Americans (Big, dumb, and friendly) and dislike America (Will murder you and your children in your sleep for fifty cents) which gets a bit conflated I find.

there is a huge cult for trump in latinoamerica (i know)

because he ''figths communists'',''stops abortions'' and ''defends christianity''
 
Hmm...I wonder about the American expatriate community ITTL...
Probably pretty much assimilated. With the United States itself defunct, the US dollar a worthless piece of paper, American expats are in effect stateless and any stored wealth they may have is likely to be of little worth. And it's been forty years since the US government broke apart in flames, fifty years since the US was in a reasonably healthy condition.
 
There are probably pretty decent like American-French and American-German populations and so on. Not fully assimilated, but probably much more "X (descended) from America" than anyone who might really want to come back or anything.
 
there is a huge cult for trump in latinoamerica (i know)

because he ''figths communists'',''stops abortions'' and ''defends christianity''
Look, "Trumpists" and "America/ns" aren't the same thing. One might argue they're exact opposites, so it's not relevant to the stability of the country as a global leader or positive perception. As you say, it's a malicious cult.

There are probably pretty decent like American-French and American-German populations and so on. Not fully assimilated, but probably much more "X (descended) from America" than anyone who might really want to come back or anything.
Short of an active recruitment campaign with incentives to try and grab some patriotically inclined descendants willing to bring their expertise and connections to aid in rebuilding...
 
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Right. On my third attempt, I've just finished reading Victoria. I knew it was going to be a shitshow from cover to cover, but... oy vey.

I feel dumber for having read the damn thing, which is a first for me when it comes to books. That or I'm just reeling from disregarding my better judgement in favor of morbid curiosity. I have a literal headache right now.
EDIT: Good news, the headache has abated.
 
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Right. On my third attempt, I've just finished reading Victoria. I knew it was going to be a shitshow from cover to cover, but... oy vey.

I feel dumber for having read the damn thing, which is a first for me when it comes to books. That or I'm just reeling from disregarding my better judgement in favor of morbid curiosity. I have a literal headache right now.
You're a braver man than most.
 
You're a braver man than most.
Kind of you to say so, but I'm not so sure bravery was the driving force here. Was more like, with every chapter, I was going "Surely it can't get much worse than this." (With regards to the writing, that is)

In any case, I managed to glean something of use from the damn book, so it wasn't a total loss.
 
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Kind of you to say so, but I'm not so sure bravery was the driving force here. Was more like, with every chapter, I was going "Surely it can't get much worse than this." (With regards to the writing, that is)

In any case, I managed to glean something of use from the damn book, so it wasn't a total loss.
Knowledge gained from reading an accursed book you were warned against and which actively pained you is generally not, uh, good. Statistically speaking.
 
Namely, knowing that you'll get malicious neglect at best from the rest of the world, what would you do if you did want to restore yourself as the global superpower? I realize that a significant portion of the voter base is already prepping their keyboards to tell me they don't want to and wouldn't if given the opportunity. I know. Accept the premise as an interesting thought exercise. How do you convince people to act against their own advancement on your behalf? Where do you find the allies? What do you promise them? And if you secure that hallowed status...what do you do with it?
Establishing a stable, predictable political system is a must, as is a robust civil service and legal system. So is doubling down on investment in local infrastructure and human resources, and making it viable for skilled foreigners to immigrate is a useful bonus. Longterm diplomatic outreach is a must, both to build alliances with other nations with mutual interests and to defuse potential opposition. PR, for critical mindshare. Patience.

Those are the things within our control.

Making it to regional power can be done on just inborn advantages.
Great Power can be achieved on mostly hard work.
Hegemon requires hard work as a prerequisite, but also luck and timing.

The world is going to be dangerous as fuck as it gets back on its feet as things stand. While the nuking of Atlanta might paradoxically have saved the world from a significant nuclear exchange in the last four decades by reminding people of just how nasty nukes can be? What happened to Saudi Arabia is going to guarantee that a lot of nations are going to sprint for nukes and nuclear delivery systems as soon as they can afford it.

We'll be lucky to live through Russia's fall in this AU without major dislocations around the world.
And without a UN to attempt to coordinate diplomacy or relief efforts......

Anyway. You look for allies among the smaller nations, those who aren't Great Powers but who would still be strategic allies, or regional powers with some help. The US basically did this with much of the Marshall Plan in Europe, but we will be arriving late enough to the scene that we can't really choose winners in that sort of scheme. Still worth the effort.

And maintain good enough relations with rivals, and enough historical precedent that our possible ascension to global hegemon might be a bitter disappointment to some, but is not considered an existential threat by any, especially other Great Powers.
Which is something that all three members of the Russia-India-Japan axis have failed at, and which will haunt future attempts at diplomacy.

What you'd do with the power? Security.
There's definitely a place for rebuilding the UN without some of the old hooks for control that the P5 implemented in it's DNA. And putting some actual power into the organization to prevent single Powers basically wrecking it at will.

I'm of the opinion that we try to align with Catherine(? alex's kid), the heir apparent. She controls a small fief, wants us to go green on energy production, and cheap access to labor. If we set up a stable rail line to her fief she and we can have what we both want. Let's not forget, we want energy independence, and wind/solar will give us that once we have people/plants that can maintain what she's given/sold us. Hell, access to a high tech society is its own benefit.
She doesn't control a fief.

I'll call this impossible, this is the state that killed the global order, its internal security is more then likely second to none...Its secrets guarded by those who would gladly destroy us in global nuclear fire then let us gain a single advantage...that or destabilize our government and make us go through that process all over again to reform the nation AGAIN. Because they can do that and it might hurt them internationally, but it is in their playbook. Secound rate gear from Austalia, and Britain will do, or anyone else in the sphere of influence that hates Russia. But stealing from the Bear itself is impossible.
Industrial secrets? Nope. Not even for nuclear secrets.
The economy powers the sinews of war, and you can't really hide industrial secrets from a nationstate espionage operation.

Industrial espionage and proliferation has always been a key part of the development of every great power in existence. The British did it, the US did it, Japan did it, China is doing it. The US and the West only started on restrictive IP enforcement long after they had benefitted from much laxer norms, and started worrying about upcoming rivals.

It's the circle of life.
The fundamental flaw with the United Nations is that with the Security Council it could never be trusted to do anything contrary to the interests of one of the major powers... But that without the Security Council there was no realistic hope of getting the major powers to agree to obey its rulings.
Counterpoint: Korean War. The Soviet Union flounced out of that meeting, and subsequently, without the Soviet veto, the rest of the United Nations authorized an official intervention in Korea. They never made that mistake again. The whole Permanent Member Security Council veto was much easier to justify when there was a greater relative gulf of power between nation states.

That is going to shrink substantially in this AU if the major supranational groupings actually coalesce seriously, as the ongoing presence of the Russian Empire in this AU is incentivizing.
 
Probably pretty much assimilated. With the United States itself defunct, the US dollar a worthless piece of paper, American expats are in effect stateless and any stored wealth they may have is likely to be of little worth. And it's been forty years since the US government broke apart in flames, fifty years since the US was in a reasonably healthy condition.

Economically, sure. But culturally, I'm not convinced. The collapse probably left deep scars and those tend to be remembered.
 
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Counterpoint: Korean War. The Soviet Union flounced out of that meeting, and subsequently, without the Soviet veto, the rest of the United Nations authorized an official intervention in Korea. They never made that mistake again. The whole Permanent Member Security Council veto was much easier to justify when there was a greater relative gulf of power between nation states.

That is going to shrink substantially in this AU if the major supranational groupings actually coalesce seriously, as the ongoing presence of the Russian Empire in this AU is incentivizing.
Uh... Uju?

The point I'm getting at is that all the major powers of the setting, whoever they are, will want a veto to ensure that the UN can't cross their own national interests too badly. Powerful, largely independent power blocs within a broad-assembled organization usually do want vetos. It's unlikely that enough of them will be un-jealous enough to voluntarily cede their vetos, because the existence of major powers not signatory to an organization like the UN greatly weakens it.
 
Namely, knowing that you'll get malicious neglect at best from the rest of the world, what would you do if you did want to restore yourself as the global superpower? I realize that a significant portion of the voter base is already prepping their keyboards to tell me they don't want to and wouldn't if given the opportunity. I know. Accept the premise as an interesting thought exercise. How do you convince people to act against their own advancement on your behalf? Where do you find the allies? What do you promise them? And if you secure that hallowed status...what do you do with it?

So here's a bad solution for it.

Push the world over the edge in terms of climate change, have the majority of humanity die out due to famines and resource wars (that may turn nuclear), have our government collapse to a core around the putrifying Great Lakes, and 200 years from now be the Hegemon of the Known World, bordered by the Great Scorch to the west, the Flooded Lands to the east, and the Deadlands to the south. Long may the Meriga Empire reign!
 
@PoptartProdigy, here's that China omake I was talking about earlier!

Found at FreeOpenSourceInfo.org:

The Sun Rises: Politics of the Republic of China

Before discussing the current political dynamics of the Second Republic of China, it is vital to give some background as to politics in the late-PRC period and Second Warlord Period. During The Collapse, an expansionist faction of the CPC grew to dominate the party, implementing an aggressive foreign policy designed to offset the party's collapsing legitimacy in the wake of the economic crisis that formed a major part of the Collapse.

At the time of the Shanghai Crisis, there were two other major factions within the CPC, the Reformists and the Conservative-Maoists. The Reformists sought to increase the popularity of the CPC by granting increased freedoms to the populace and slowly democratizing under the control of the Communist Party, their largest supporters being students, urban academics, and industrialists. In contrast the Conservative Maoists argued that the collapse of the CPC's legitimacy and China's economy was due to economic and cultural liberalization, their chosen solution was to return to a stricter form of Maoism, albeit one with a tinge of social conservatism. Their base was mostly rural, but also included some of those who lost their livelihoods in the collapse.

In 2042, the Expansionists faced an immense crisis. The Cascadian Republic, a social-democratic republic which had been supported by the PRC since its secession from the disintegrating remnants of the United States and Canada, came under protracted military assault from both a resurgent Imperial Japan and Victoria. Both of which were aided not-so-secretly by the Russian Empire. Chinese leadership reacted quickly, ordering the deployment of a brigade of the PLAAF Airborne Corps, and dispatched a relief force as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, the PLAN, pressed into a mission quite different than it was intended for, proved unable to pierce the IJN blockade despite several attempts and a large but inconclusive naval battle, and as a result the PRC's leadership could only watch helplessly as the Japanese and their Victorian auxiliaries crushed the Cascadian forces and scattered the 7th Airborne Brigade. Then, at the apex of the crisis, a boat filled with high explosives detonated in Shanghai, with all evidence pointing to a Japanese intelligence operation. The Chinese government, absolutely furious at the blatant provocations of the Japanese government, mobilized forces to attack Japan, beginning with nuclear strikes on key military targets, only for Russia to threaten the deployment of nuclear weapons against China if they made a move against Japan. Ultimately unwilling to risk annihilation for the sake of Cascadia and their pride, the Expansionists backed down.

To say that this decision was politically disastrous would be an understatement, simply put, the Expansionist faction's support evaporated overnight, leaving a gaping power vacuum and a furious public, who began to launch protests demanding resignation of the government. Amidst the chaos, a clique of Conservative-Maoists took the opportunity to seize control of the apparatus of state, only for loyalist military officers to stage a counter-coup, plunging the capitol into open warfare between different units of the PLA and competing militias. Yet even as they engaged in open warfare, both Expansionists and Conservative-Maoists launched mass purges of Reformists and Reformist sympathizers, who fled en masse from the fratricidal violence consuming North China alongside a slew of less politically motivated refugees. Central governmental authority had soon collapsed entirely, and local provincial leaders took the chance to consolidate power and create their own personal fiefdoms, ushering in a new era of warlordism.

Guangdong's provincial governor had previously gained a reputation for tolerance and, as the country disintegrated, desperate Reformists and their allies in the Chinese political scene flocked to Guangdong, accumulating in large numbers. As the chaos dragged on and the governor did nothing to intervene, content to rule Guangdong while China burned around him, popular unrest began to simmer, heavily bolstered by the Reformist refugees, and especially prominent in patriotic sailors of the PLAN's South Sea Fleet. Reformist politicians formed the United People's Party of China (UPPC), and in 2045 the UPPC managed to overthrow the provincial government with the backing of most of Guangdong's military and declared the creation of the Provisional Revolutionary National Government of China (PRNGC).

Upon assessing the situation, the PRNGC quickly came to the conclusion that the forces under their command were wholly insufficient to reunify China on their own, and the vast majority of warlords were hostile or too far away to matter. As such, the UPPC leadership reached out to the KMT-led government of the Republic of China, otherwise known as Taiwan. This was a calculated gamble, but it paid off in spades. Although talks led to numerous concessions to Taiwanese autonomy and self-government, KMT officials were ultimately optimistic that their time to return to the mainland had finally come, even if the KMT would not be at the head of this effort, and so Taiwanese military and economic aid began to flow into Guangdong. The ROCA, although miniscule compared to the might of the PLA and equipped with outdated equipment, was well trained, and numerous enough to pose a major threat to any warlord state. One year after overthrowing the Guangdong government, the PRNGC officially launched the Second Northern Expedition, beginning a decade long military and diplomatic campaign to reunite China.

As much as the UPPC leadership would have liked to avoid making concessions to warlords and anti-democratic states, the reality of trying to unite China forced the UPPC to reach out to groups like the Beijing Government and offer political concessions to entice them to comply with unification. This has directly led to the existence of the CPC(M) as a prominent player in present day Chinese politics, as well as other much less prominent CPC splinter groups.

Finally, in 2058, a mere 16 years after the collapse of central governance of China, the second Republic of China was declared, and nation-wide elections were held for a constitutional convention. Almost as soon as the convention began, the UPPC, bound together mostly by a shared dream of a unified and democratic China, shattered into pieces, and even as delegates were hammering out a constitution that worked for everyone, new political parties and alliances were rapidly forming and just as quickly disintegrating. These years of frenetic political maneuvering, continuing even after the 2059 ratification of the constitution and subsequent election, would eventually be called the Thousand Party Period by ROC textbooks, during which the National Assembly was largely unable to pass legislation, though a UPPC-remnant compromise cabinet was able to continue promulgating foreign policy. 2063 put an end to this state of affairs, and Chinese politics assumed the character which persists to this day.

As the Republic of China is a parliamentary democracy, Chinese politics is dominated by the National Assembly. The legislature is elected on the basis of proportional representation (mixed-member proportional representation in the case of Taiwan and Hong Kong) in elections held every four years. The National Assembly is at present dominated by four major parties:
  • The Progressive Party of China:
    • A center-left party that formed out of the center of the UPPC, they uphold the principles of dirigisme and social welfare which dominate the Republic's economic consensus, but also argue for social progressivism and a foreign policy involving the aggressive promotion of democracy in Asia and beyond. The Progressives currently dominate the National Assembly in the Pink-Green Coalition with the Socialist Party of China, and are the largest single party in the entire National Assembly.
  • The Socialist Party of China:
    • The junior partner in the ruling coalition, the Socialists formed from the defunct left-wing of the UPPC. They occupy the space from left to far left, promoting expansion of the welfare state to include guaranteed housing and food, the implementation of a mechanism by which failing companies can be sold to their workers, increased environmental protections, and aggressive social progressivism. Their foreign policy stance is anti-fascist in nature, arguing for China to aid movements with everything from diplomatic support to direct military aid.
  • The Kuomintang:
    • The largest opposition party, the Kuomintang's hundreds of years of history make it by far the oldest party in China. It occupies the center-right of Chinese politics, supports highly interventionist economic policies as well as social conservatism. Yet it is relatively dovish on foreign policy for Chinese politics, seeking to avoid direct confrontation with Russia, Japan, and India while encouraging diplomatic ties with friendly countries.
  • The Communist Party of China (Maoist)
    • Paradoxically for a self-proclaimed communist party, the CPC(M) occupies the far-right of Chinese politics, for they are fundamentally reactionary in character. Formed from disgruntled remnants of the Conservative-Maoist faction of the CPC, they seek to re-institute the dictatorship, launch campaigns against "degeneracy", return to a planned economy, and institute total self-reliance. All other political parties oppose them, and their share in elections has been slowly declining since 2063, but the nature of the political concessions needed to unify China have ensured that it will still be a decade more before they cease to be a major force in Chinese politics.
Despite their numerous differences, these parties are united in one thing: the conviction that the Republic shall not allow any more submission or humiliations to either Japan or Russia, to the point where even suggesting the opening of trade to Japan will draw the ire of the Big Four and their supporters down upon you.

There are another three minor parties within the National Assembly which have some trait which merits mentioning:
  • The Party for Chinese Democracy:
    • Formed from the right-wing of the UPPC, they go against the consensus in arguing for policies economic liberalism and cuts to welfare, as well as limited social progressivism and increased federalism. Their main voterbase are well-off and educated urban voters.
  • The Democratic Progressive Party:
    • This Taiwanese Nationalist party spent nearly 20 years in opposition, as the KMT racked up electoral success after electoral success, but has achieved a majority in the most recent Legislative Yuan elections in Taiwan, and is now seeking to hold a Taiwanese independence referendum. They are otherwise quite similar to the Progressive Party, except for a more liberal economic stance.
  • The Tibetan Independence Front
    • Tibetan nationalist party currently in negotiations with the government over Tibet's status, they are a broad tent-party with little in common aside from a desire for Tibetan independence. Their seats in the National Assembly are currently vacant, as they refuse to sit in the Assembly.

As the Bear's grip over the world loosens, the Dragon continues to rise once more from its slumber. Yet China is surrounded by enemies and lacking in friends, for Europe continues to shun them out of fear of Russia and perhaps a bit of fear of what a resurgent China could mean. To make matters worse, Chinese intelligence has brought word of a disturbance in the shattered remnants of the United States, and the leadership of the Republic has suddenly been made acutely aware of how little they know about America beyond the West Coast. If some warlord has finally managed to begin consolidating power and seeking to restore the American Empire, if Japan seeks to once more crush the possibility of Chinese hegemony, if India decides that now is the time to settle the score, then China must be ready for them.

A/N: If someone more knowledgeable about present-day China wants to critique this, then by all means go ahead, I am definitely no expert.
 
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Right. On my third attempt, I've just finished reading Victoria. I knew it was going to be a shitshow from cover to cover, but... oy vey.

I feel dumber for having read the damn thing, which is a first for me when it comes to books. That or I'm just reeling from disregarding my better judgement in favor of morbid curiosity. I have a literal headache right now.
EDIT: Good news, the headache has abated.

I skimmed the read-through posted in the OP but I couldn't stand reading the whole thing. It's just too loathsome.

Anyway, what's happening in the former NATO countries? How far does Russia's dominance extend? Britain, France, Iberia, Germany?
 
I skimmed the read-through posted in the OP but I couldn't stand reading the whole thing. It's just too loathsome.

Anyway, what's happening in the former NATO countries? How far does Russia's dominance extend? Britain, France, Iberia, Germany?
As far as borders on a map? Poland managed to hold the line with regards to Europe. Presumably this would include the Nordic countries, since if Russia controlled them Poland doing so wouldn't amount to a great deal. Britain, it was mentioned before, collapsed and subsequently rebuilt itself.
 
I skimmed the read-through posted in the OP but I couldn't stand reading the whole thing. It's just too loathsome.

Anyway, what's happening in the former NATO countries? How far does Russia's dominance extend? Britain, France, Iberia, Germany?

Russia's swallowed Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, the Baltics, and the eastern chunk of Poland. It also has Turkey, Romania, and Bulgaria in it's sphere of influence.

Germany's the head of an increasingly federalized EU, leading efforts against Alex; France has managed to scrape itself together (though it lost all overseas territories); Spain fractured during the Collapse but managed to retain governmental continuity; Britain exploded and was put back together by Germany. Oh and Italy has an ongoing civil war.

Right now the EU's competing against Russia in the Balkans and North Africa, has considered allying China (but doesn't want to piss of the rest of East Asia), and is presumably at least partially responsible for keeping New York free.
 
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If someone more knowledgeable about present-day China wants to critique this, then by all means go ahead, I am definitely no expert.
Both the Han Chinese majority and the Manchu minority regard the term Manchuria as a Japanese imperialist term and construct. The historic homeland of the Manchus is referred to as the Three Northeast Provinces or the Northeast/Dōngběi by the Chinese peoples. Additionally, the region probably wouldn't be regarded as its own special region like Taiwan by the new republic as the Northeast has been thoroughly integrated into the rest of China and has a Han Chinese majority for a very long time now although there might be smaller autonomous Manchu counties scattered throughout the Northeast like today.

The KMT would be about a century and a half old by this time in the quest instead of a few centuries old.
 
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The historic homeland of the Manchus is referred to as the Three Northeast Provinces or the Northeast/Dōngběi by the Chinese peoples. Additionally, the region probably wouldn't be regarded as its own special region like Taiwan by the new republic as the Northeast has been thoroughly integrated into the rest of China and has a Han Chinese majority for a very long time now although there might be smaller autonomous Manchu counties scattered throughout the Northeast like today.
The region is regarded as a special region due to this DM by Poptart:
Oh, one thing! I haven't made a public statement, but I had decided that Manchuria managed to lay hands on lots of PRC gear and break away. Japan tried another invasion; Manchuria beat them back hard enough that it would have spiraled globally had Japan committed hard enough, and Alexei refused to get involved. So Manchuria actually fought off the Empire of Japan.
Which implies that the Manchurian state was particularly powerful and influential as well as regional in nature, so as a result, when negotiating for their integration, I figured they would demand an increased level of autonomy. I can change this if it really bothers you though, it's a one word change.
 
Which implies that the Manchurian state was particularly powerful and influential as well as regional in nature, so as a result, when negotiating for their integration, I figured they would demand an increased level of autonomy. I can change this if it really bothers you though, it's a one word change.
There is no real support for an independent Manchuria among the peoples of the Northeast. The concept of independent Manchuria is generally considered tainted and almost wholly linked with Japanese imperialism nowadays. It is not implausible that a powerful effectively independent remnant state could form in the industrialized Northeast China if the central Chinese government collapsed but such a state would regard itself as Chinese or even claim to be the rightful Chinese government if it wanted to maintain any legitimacy particularly if Japan invaded again. In fact, the Northeast is generally considered very pro-PRC and the "eldest son" of the PRC in Mao's words. So I imagine if the Northeast caused any problem for the new republic, it would be pro-CPC and pro-PRC sentiment rather than regionalist sentiments.
 
There is no real support for an independent Manchuria among the peoples of the Northeast. The concept of independent Manchuria is generally considered tainted and almost wholly linked with Japanese imperialism nowadays. It is not implausible that a powerful effectively independent remnant state could form in the industrialized Northeast China if the central Chinese government collapsed but such a state would regard itself as Chinese or even claim to be the rightful Chinese government if it wanted to maintain any legitimacy particularly if Japan invaded again. In fact, the Northeast is generally considered very pro-PRC and the "eldest son" of the PRC in Mao's words. So I imagine if the Northeast caused any problem for the new republic, it would be pro-CPC and pro-PRC sentiment rather than regionalist sentiments.
Gotcha, Manchuria is no longer included in the "special regions".
 
dislike America (Will murder you and your children in your sleep for fifty cents)
Does ... does anyone actually think this? I'm aware that this is hyperbole for comedic effect to at least some extent, but my impression of foreigners unhappy with America (aside from unironic Tankies shrieking about the CIA) is that they're more critical of the brusqueness the government conducts itself with and the way America has begun to shirk its global responsibilities. The duel paradox of "why doesn't the US pull out of the Middle-East?" and "They're abandoning the Kurds, they can't do that!" Leaving aside opinions on President Trump himself, of course, who is a remarkably divisive figure.
 
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Does ... does anyone actually think this? I'm aware that this is hyperbole for comedic effect to at least some extent, but my impression of foreigners unhappy with America (aside from unironic Tankies shrieking about the CIA) is that they're more critical of the brusqueness the government conducts itself with and the way America has begun to shirk its global responsibilities.
I mean... considering how often America has overthrown foreign democratically elected governments to install a friendly dictator instead over the past few decades?

I'm going to say yes.
 
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