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Definitely got the hermitic versions of lasguns and AA guns
Tower of Babel: A Bronze Age Space Civ Quest
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If they have a way of thinking somewhat alike to an human being, yes.
It will still take decades of training.
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My first thought, was that we'd break the Mind of the Eye free and then teach it Philosophy. Which is probally a terrible, terrible idea but....It would be really funny.. To just send the Eye back at the Black King, armed with arcane tools
as for the God-speaker versus Muses. I think i vastly prefer the God-speaker options. When it comes to the differnence betweeen Philosophers and mundanes in our society, it is the fact that mundanes are vast, and so many that what they might lack in knowledge, they can make up for in sheer numbers.
The Stillborn Gods thing, which is noted as being dangerous and risky doesn't play at all into that. It is turning mundanes into a lesser version of the Philosphers, and something only a few of them can employ. The power of our mundane society, is how wide-spread enlightment can be amongst them, and the stillborn gods does sorta directly go against that.
Meanwhile, the Gods are incredible important for us. More then almost anything else, they are the foundation of modern society so to speak. Our Gods are driven by Gods, our ships are driven by Gods. Almost everything is tied in the Gods. The Godspeakers would, become like priests and hoepfully allow us to drive the Gods to even greater heights. And unlike stillborn gods, which is noted as being dangerous and with casulaties and thus most likely restricted to a few people, the God-speakers are much more like the other guilds we allready have in nature.
The muses, seems more akin to making people into mini-philosophers, but without the bigger benefits of Philosphers. And that, i don't think is as overall good.
of course, on that note though, God-speaker i think is currently dangerous to do right now.
The God-aspects seems dedicated and active towards spreading their own domain, without any limetations. Suddenly, giving those god-aspects a bunch of mundanes to channel(?) speak through, might cause some wide-spread havoc. Maybe with some meditation of the craft, but that is the danger. Mundanes struggle with communicating with Gods, because of the sheer spiritual difference.
That being said, even with those dangers i do think God-speakers are probaly the better, if more risky compared to the Muses. At least in the way we've constructed society so far. We've had options, to ignore, or do other things with mundanes, but what the Philosphers have done so far, is to spread minor secrets in order to ensure there is as much enlightment as possible within the wider society.
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We should DEFINITELY do this. 1. Because an immortal robot philosopher sounds cool as fuck. 2. Because having an immortal Hero/Philosopher sounds straight up useful, and 3. Because Holy cow that'd be funny.
I think we can massively alleviate some of the dangers, at least concerning the Lesser Gods by taking that action to use the Gates on the spawn and gods. This should allow us to limit and put safeties on the gods, keeping them from wreaking too much havoc. I'd also argue that having more people that can sense the condition of, talk to, and manipulate the gods will just improve the safety of it because that's more people to catch something going wrong early, and come up with creative solutions.
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Oh right, gate to the mindless. Yeah, hmh forgot about that one briefly. That would be a lot better. Both in terms of letting us have greater and more active Gods, but also. One of the main problem is that Spawns are very much instinctive, and while they can be guided by the Sining Shepards, letting them have instincts from the start would be really great. Not sure i'm fully onto the idea of more mundanes making it safer, but the gates is a really good idea.
God, we got so many cool actions we can possible do, and so many actions we need to actually do. Getting into space, improving controll over Gods. The Living Tower stuff, aaaa
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I kind of want to make an omake about a Precise Swordsman. Someone who applies the lessons of the precise to direct combat. Striking with uncanny accuracy upon weak points with every motion enacted with precision of execution, every last part moving just so to maximize speed and force. A person inspired during the great experiment with intelligence boosting a while ago, or first instructed by a swordsman from that time who became inspired and began the first steps of a more perfect and refined form of swordsmanship. Seeking to perfect one technique they were inspired to create.
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It has been a couple days late, but I finally have enough time and focus to write reaction post.
One might wonder just what the Order will do with animal products. What symbolic power shall be found, in the remnant of the bone, a drop of blood, or the still beating heart?
And as predict, the Tower of the Elements are unlocked, although only path toward it is. No doubt, they shall require more of our effort yet.
Also, anyone want to speculate what seat they will hold? We reach toward them by "straightening" the world , by shaping it into harmonious whole... so perhaps.. some sort of seat for infrastructure or mega-project? Can't think of what good noun to use for tower name through. A seat of infrastructure is just too mundanes, and the seat of order is just too confusing.
And yes, as the small reflect the large, and cause what affect the small to affect the large as well in turn. With effort and sufficient ritual linkage, the Order's own Minds of Bronze shall not merely calculate the number, shall not merely predict the future, no, it shall dictate the very future itself.
We might even see the birth of the new path, the path of the mechanical. Where all is but a gears in the great machine of reality.
And ascension lies in the void... that does not have to mean the void of space right? There is still the void of the underworld we haven't discover yet.
Also, that risks must be taken is really going to enabling our hubris... One can only hope our failures will not bring ruin to all.
There is a little problem about that through, namely that Tower require 2 points of Mundanes population to support, so we will have discover how to live in space, deal with radiation, and actually start colonising and wait for at least 2 turns before we can start raising the actual tower. Then again, we still don't know how far away before we will actually unlock the Tower of Elements, so maybe if we really focus on it, it will work out?
Perhaps these two can have some sort of synergy? What a better way to study the storm than to look at it in it's most primordial form? And if we can command the storm of the Cradle, perhaps to command the storms of Grov would not be much of a vain hope.
Ah, the radiation. Something we will have to reckon eventually, no doubt.
So we discover ways to "free" the servant of the Black King. All of which demand terrible cost. Although we will need to do it eventually, and soon. We already know the energy of the Sphere is running out and we might never have a chance to "free" the Sphere if they exhaust themselves first.
Yet another step in rebuilding the peaceful wilds, eh?
One might wonder just what the Order will do with animal products. What symbolic power shall be found, in the remnant of the bone, a drop of blood, or the still beating heart?
A little disappointed to see that mundanes healers only have power in the city itself. Perhaps we ought to do Material Mastery of the Body to turn them into healers in truth as well? 1 floating action is nice, but it certainly will not be enough for new opportunities that just open to us.
Ah the Order, the people who glare upon the terrible power that move the very land, and decided that they can be easily control.
The first rank implied there will be second. By truly awaken the Cradle and give her a mind, perhaps? With how much we spend on reaching the first rank, one can only wonder just how much would reaching the second would take.
And as predict, the Tower of the Elements are unlocked, although only path toward it is. No doubt, they shall require more of our effort yet.
Also, anyone want to speculate what seat they will hold? We reach toward them by "straightening" the world , by shaping it into harmonious whole... so perhaps.. some sort of seat for infrastructure or mega-project? Can't think of what good noun to use for tower name through. A seat of infrastructure is just too mundanes, and the seat of order is just too confusing.
I believe this supposed to says "windows-filled"? I would thought it would be temple of grief if it was filled with widows.
One might wonder whatever ritual significant of doing something "unassisted" allowed mechanical aids or not. Only with calculator made by individual Philosophers in question, perhaps? And no doubt, there will be much complain about how kids these days only know how to use machine instead of their own mind.
And yes, as the small reflect the large, and cause what affect the small to affect the large as well in turn. With effort and sufficient ritual linkage, the Order's own Minds of Bronze shall not merely calculate the number, shall not merely predict the future, no, it shall dictate the very future itself.
We might even see the birth of the new path, the path of the mechanical. Where all is but a gears in the great machine of reality.
New opportunities, huh? Alright, I won't vote for any plan that include the existing options /s
And ascension lies in the void... that does not have to mean the void of space right? There is still the void of the underworld we haven't discover yet.
Also, that risks must be taken is really going to enabling our hubris... One can only hope our failures will not bring ruin to all.
I mean, it make sense. The Tower of Elements wish to reach the "prime realm" of infinite power and elements.. and Gorv is the closest thing we have, outside of Prim itself, perhaps.
There is a little problem about that through, namely that Tower require 2 points of Mundanes population to support, so we will have discover how to live in space, deal with radiation, and actually start colonising and wait for at least 2 turns before we can start raising the actual tower. Then again, we still don't know how far away before we will actually unlock the Tower of Elements, so maybe if we really focus on it, it will work out?
Well, if we ever met technological civilisation, we can ask them about fusion reactor, I guess.
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If we are talking about risky actions then.
I want to do this. Hero's are destined to die in 4 to 8 turns after they were introduced. The Dawn Watcher became a part of the Order in turn 5, which means at the end of the cycle of Discovery, that is turn 11, 6 turns have gone. Which means that should be about-ish when the Dawn Watcher is going to die.
What better finale could there be, but to end the cycle of discovery with a truly risky study into the great void itself. As the last gasp of effort from the man that truly changed the course of star-gazing for all the Order to see. One last task.
It does require Dawn Watcher to last untill the end of the cycle, but that feels like a really good narrative way to end it. Of course, that's also 4 turns till, so maybe that's too long, but it felt really fitting.
I want to do this. Hero's are destined to die in 4 to 8 turns after they were introduced. The Dawn Watcher became a part of the Order in turn 5, which means at the end of the cycle of Discovery, that is turn 11, 6 turns have gone. Which means that should be about-ish when the Dawn Watcher is going to die.
What better finale could there be, but to end the cycle of discovery with a truly risky study into the great void itself. As the last gasp of effort from the man that truly changed the course of star-gazing for all the Order to see. One last task.
It does require Dawn Watcher to last untill the end of the cycle, but that feels like a really good narrative way to end it. Of course, that's also 4 turns till, so maybe that's too long, but it felt really fitting.
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OK, yes, but also no. The easiest way would be to set down on one of the moons and set up the Tower of Elements on one of them. As for shielding from the radiation, that'll take a bit of study but shouldn't be hard for a simple reason. Our ships are massive fortresses of ice and rock, and a big enough wall of those things is a pretty good radiation shield. As for the 2 points of mundane population, well an entire moon made into a god-city or god-fortress could easily support that much.
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If you read just the mechanical description of all our planets, arva is noted as being uncolonizable, Dert as being at increased cost. Meanwhile Gorv is noted as colonizing being greatly increased.
So from a mechanical standpoint, Gorv is actually the easiest to colonize, with it's moon. Which, comes from the Titanic modifier.
Now, this is a largely narrative quest, but i don't think this should be discarded. The Titanic modifier comes from Gorv's sheer raw mass.
I suspect it makes it a lot easier to cast Workings in order to live on Gorv's moon. And in there lies what i think is the real danger of Gorv
Because Gorv has so much raw potential, a scale unimaginable for any Philospher. Going from where 1 scale cost was painfull to having something like 150? I imagine our Philospher losing all sense of reasonableness, with outrageously inefficent or terrible ideas is the real danger of Gorv. Hubris, so to speak.
So, i don't think colonizing Gorv is the real issue, as much as the sideparts to it.
That said, i do still wanna argue for putting every Philospher Tower on actual Cradle. I imagine there are some sort of Philospher World bonus/benefit we'd get out of that. Even if it means we won't be able to use Gorv's potential as efficently.
I also just likes idea of having every Tower on one planet as a visual idea. Make Cradle the world of Philosphy
So from a mechanical standpoint, Gorv is actually the easiest to colonize, with it's moon. Which, comes from the Titanic modifier.
Now, this is a largely narrative quest, but i don't think this should be discarded. The Titanic modifier comes from Gorv's sheer raw mass.
I suspect it makes it a lot easier to cast Workings in order to live on Gorv's moon. And in there lies what i think is the real danger of Gorv
Because Gorv has so much raw potential, a scale unimaginable for any Philospher. Going from where 1 scale cost was painfull to having something like 150? I imagine our Philospher losing all sense of reasonableness, with outrageously inefficent or terrible ideas is the real danger of Gorv. Hubris, so to speak.
So, i don't think colonizing Gorv is the real issue, as much as the sideparts to it.
That said, i do still wanna argue for putting every Philospher Tower on actual Cradle. I imagine there are some sort of Philospher World bonus/benefit we'd get out of that. Even if it means we won't be able to use Gorv's potential as efficently.
I also just likes idea of having every Tower on one planet as a visual idea. Make Cradle the world of Philosphy
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you know perhaps on gorv if we want to make one of the moons properly habitable we could move one of the storms of gorv onto a moon. storms, by philosophical definition bring rain and air, pinning one to a moon would give it air and water. this would also make it easier to turn the moon into an anvil to gorv's hammer, as there's correspondence between the power of gorv and the moon's artificial atmosphere, we'd be able to siphon off some power to shape things on the surface. however, bringing a portion of gorv to one of gorv's toys would open it up to it wrath much more, so we'd need to make sure we either know how to tame storms or how to protect from them.
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Random other note, on the subject of making The Eye a philosopher, I think we should start on that soon, just because it seems like we'll be getting visitors soon and just having a random robot as one of our philosophers sounds like it'd be amazing for confusing the shit out of them.
"What are you talking about! Provost Delta has been a respected Philosopher for decades now, there's no way he's one of the Black King's servants!"
"What are you talking about! Provost Delta has been a respected Philosopher for decades now, there's no way he's one of the Black King's servants!"
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"Noooo, you can't redeem the genocidal bot !"
"Skill issue"
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Provost Delta or "Timeless Glare Vows to Continue Fighting": *gives an eloquent speech about the nature of freedom and redemption*
*philosophical mumbles of approval*
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Scientist from a notice on the Order
"See, they are not even being subtle about it. They are blatantly showing of one of the genocidal robots, and making it play dress up as if it's a little girl's doll instead of a deadly war machine.
Only someone with a vast and deep understanding of how mechanical machine network works could possible rewrite code like this. There is no way a bunch of "old Philsophers" could do that, or that their "Gods" aren't AI like this one.
It's so simple! Stop this inane cultural identity"
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I can't help but think the Philosophers would be just as equally frustrated by the mundane scientists. The Philosophers speak the Truth and even explain the lesser truths just like they did to their mundanes, yet the scientists refuse to listen.
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If it keeps happening i could just see the order accepting whatever explanations are given as a translation error rather than a misunderstanding. Like, AI specialist is just their terms for a Philosopher that Deals with Anima.
Spacetime Physicists? People who deal with Correspondence and the manipulation of space.
Or maybe just generally Physicist gets translated to Astrologist, given how everything works out.
Meanwhile alchemy probably gets called Chemistry. With Living Tower Philosophers being Biochemists.
Spacetime Physicists? People who deal with Correspondence and the manipulation of space.
Or maybe just generally Physicist gets translated to Astrologist, given how everything works out.
Meanwhile alchemy probably gets called Chemistry. With Living Tower Philosophers being Biochemists.
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Nuclear Physicist just sends the Sundial Tower up the wall "THEY ARE DELIBERATELY TEARING APART SPACE?! Why are using such precision in a barbaric way, they are monsters! How are you ever gonna find the source like that" whail of despair
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I mean, really what they're doing is releasing the energy bound up in all creation through special shapes and great precision and timing along with the use of pure metals and chemical reagents. When you break it down what is a Nuclear Bomb but sacrificing metal and intricate machinery for a very big boom.
If scientists are unwilling to listen and try to learn, they are being shitty scientists.
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I feel like Scientists would be Over the Moon at the Concepts behind fate, because when you get down to it, it's basically Causality. Science already pretty much says that C is the speed of Causality, not just light, and the idea of Light being the Carrier of Fate meshes with that... Interestingly.
Also anima, anima are something that would interest scientists a lot. The provable existence of something like a soul, and how it can be used.
Also anima, anima are something that would interest scientists a lot. The provable existence of something like a soul, and how it can be used.
I just realized what the order would Actually massively disapprove of. Particle accelerators, specifically when used to smash atoms to bits to study what they're made of. From the order's perspective it's using incredible precision and great energy... To smash two pots together in order to look through the wreckage.
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In the pantheon of Theha Megara, alongside the radiant Sol Invictus, stands Brontor, the god of storms and smiths. Known for his gruff demeanor, fierce loyalty, and immense power, Brontor's every action echoes through the realms with the resounding force of thunder and the blinding light of lightning. His beard, a stormy mass of dark clouds, crackles with perpetual energy, making him a formidable and awe-inspiring figure among the gods.
### Myth of Brontor
Brontor was born from the union of the sky and the earth, conceived during a mighty tempest that split the heavens and the ground asunder. From his earliest moments, he displayed an affinity for both the fury of the storm and the art of the forge. It is said that his first cries were accompanied by thunderclaps and lightning strikes, and as he grew, his hammering on anvils became indistinguishable from the rumbling of a storm.
#### The Crafting of the Stormforge
When Sol Invictus created the sun and stars, he sought an ally to aid in the defense against the Fovisménoi Gígantes. He turned to Brontor, recognizing his unmatched skill and indomitable spirit. Brontor, in his forge at the heart of the fiercest storm, crafted the Stormforge, an anvil imbued with the essence of the tempest. From this forge, he produced weapons and armor of unparalleled strength for the Ilios Polemistís, the sun warriors of Sol Invictus.
Each strike of Brontor's hammer on the Stormforge sent ripples of thunder across the skies, while the sparks that flew became bolts of lightning, illuminating the heavens in flashes of brilliance. These divine creations turned the tide in the Gigantomachy, the century-long war against the Fovisménoi Gígantes. The mighty weapons and armor forged by Brontor allowed the gods and their allies to stand firm against the monstrous onslaught, ultimately leading to their victory.
#### The Oath of Loyalty
Brontor's loyalty to Sol Invictus was absolute. During the darkest hours of the Gigantomachy, when the Fovisménoi Gígantes threatened to snuff out the light forever, Brontor swore an unbreakable oath to defend the creations of Sol Invictus. He vowed that as long as thunder roared and lightning flashed, he would stand by the Dawnbringer's side, crafting weapons and summoning storms to protect the realms.
#### Brontor and Humanity
After the Gigantomachy, as Sol Invictus imparted knowledge to humanity, Brontor taught the first blacksmiths the secrets of the forge. He bestowed upon them the ability to harness the raw power of the storm, forging tools and weapons that could withstand any adversity. This gift from Brontor not only advanced human civilization but also cemented his role as the divine protector of smiths and craftsmen.
#### The Great Curse and Brontor's Vigil
When the Megáli katára (Great Curse) fell upon mankind, separating them from the gods, Brontor's wrath was boundless. Though he could no longer communicate directly with humanity, he continued to watch over them from the stormy skies. His storms, though fierce and terrifying, were often seen as his way of reminding mankind of his presence and his undying loyalty.
Despite the curse, the great Filósofoi, believed to be blessed by Sol Invictus, found ways to commune with Brontor's spirit. They revered him not only as a master smith but also as a fierce protector who, despite the separation, continued to inspire and empower them with the strength of the storm.
### Brontor in Megaran Worship
In the temples of Theha Megara, Brontor is depicted with a hammer and anvil, surrounded by storm clouds. His image stands beside that of Sol Invictus, symbolizing their unbreakable bond and the divine synergy of light and storm. Worshippers honor Brontor through rituals involving the forging of metals and the invocation of storms, seeking his favor for strength, protection, and the mastery of the craft.
Brontor's myth, interwoven with the legend of Sol Invictus, enriches the Megaran faith with tales of loyalty, craftsmanship, and the indomitable spirit of the storm. His legacy lives on in the hearts of blacksmiths and warriors, a testament to the enduring power of thunder and lightning in the realm of gods and men.
### Myth of Brontor
Brontor was born from the union of the sky and the earth, conceived during a mighty tempest that split the heavens and the ground asunder. From his earliest moments, he displayed an affinity for both the fury of the storm and the art of the forge. It is said that his first cries were accompanied by thunderclaps and lightning strikes, and as he grew, his hammering on anvils became indistinguishable from the rumbling of a storm.
#### The Crafting of the Stormforge
When Sol Invictus created the sun and stars, he sought an ally to aid in the defense against the Fovisménoi Gígantes. He turned to Brontor, recognizing his unmatched skill and indomitable spirit. Brontor, in his forge at the heart of the fiercest storm, crafted the Stormforge, an anvil imbued with the essence of the tempest. From this forge, he produced weapons and armor of unparalleled strength for the Ilios Polemistís, the sun warriors of Sol Invictus.
Each strike of Brontor's hammer on the Stormforge sent ripples of thunder across the skies, while the sparks that flew became bolts of lightning, illuminating the heavens in flashes of brilliance. These divine creations turned the tide in the Gigantomachy, the century-long war against the Fovisménoi Gígantes. The mighty weapons and armor forged by Brontor allowed the gods and their allies to stand firm against the monstrous onslaught, ultimately leading to their victory.
#### The Oath of Loyalty
Brontor's loyalty to Sol Invictus was absolute. During the darkest hours of the Gigantomachy, when the Fovisménoi Gígantes threatened to snuff out the light forever, Brontor swore an unbreakable oath to defend the creations of Sol Invictus. He vowed that as long as thunder roared and lightning flashed, he would stand by the Dawnbringer's side, crafting weapons and summoning storms to protect the realms.
#### Brontor and Humanity
After the Gigantomachy, as Sol Invictus imparted knowledge to humanity, Brontor taught the first blacksmiths the secrets of the forge. He bestowed upon them the ability to harness the raw power of the storm, forging tools and weapons that could withstand any adversity. This gift from Brontor not only advanced human civilization but also cemented his role as the divine protector of smiths and craftsmen.
#### The Great Curse and Brontor's Vigil
When the Megáli katára (Great Curse) fell upon mankind, separating them from the gods, Brontor's wrath was boundless. Though he could no longer communicate directly with humanity, he continued to watch over them from the stormy skies. His storms, though fierce and terrifying, were often seen as his way of reminding mankind of his presence and his undying loyalty.
Despite the curse, the great Filósofoi, believed to be blessed by Sol Invictus, found ways to commune with Brontor's spirit. They revered him not only as a master smith but also as a fierce protector who, despite the separation, continued to inspire and empower them with the strength of the storm.
### Brontor in Megaran Worship
In the temples of Theha Megara, Brontor is depicted with a hammer and anvil, surrounded by storm clouds. His image stands beside that of Sol Invictus, symbolizing their unbreakable bond and the divine synergy of light and storm. Worshippers honor Brontor through rituals involving the forging of metals and the invocation of storms, seeking his favor for strength, protection, and the mastery of the craft.
Brontor's myth, interwoven with the legend of Sol Invictus, enriches the Megaran faith with tales of loyalty, craftsmanship, and the indomitable spirit of the storm. His legacy lives on in the hearts of blacksmiths and warriors, a testament to the enduring power of thunder and lightning in the realm of gods and men.
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The Order's relation with normal science is likely to be... complicated.
Sure, there will be many who's first reaction is to assume that the Order is a post-apocalyptic society being managed by surviving AI 'gods' and that their magic is actually advanced technology they maintain without understanding.
But after the initial shock, further study will show that there really is something very weird going on with the Order. And a proper scientist needs to not be afraid to admit that they might be wrong. Soon enough they'll start examining things and trying to figure out what's happening.
And the big thing is, eventually they'll probably succeed. The Order's methods, while requiring a weird mindset sometimes, operate under self-consistent logic and produce consistent results from consistent inputs. Which means that science can, in fact, understand them eventually. It might take decades, and a few truly dedicated scientists managing to pass the trials to genuinely understand at least some of the lesser secrets, but they will get it, and probably start immediately looking into new ways to apply it.
And in turn, the Order is likely to come to understand Science as being another path to try to understand the universe. It might not seek any kind of primordial state, but instead focuses on examining what IS NOW. And philosophers are practical enough to note that it very much gest real, provable results. They might note exactly get why it uses the methods it does, but philosophers have been going for centuries now not truly understanding each other and simply acknowledge that it is incredibly difficult to fully acknowledge the teachings of more than one Tower. So they'd just look into building a Tower dedicated to Science in some form.
On a different tack, I'd say that we can go ahead and put Towers wherever. Eventually as the Order grows, we're going to need more than one physical tower for each Tower anyway, as the numbers involved grow and we colonize other worlds. So we can build a Tower of Elements on Cradle, and still plan to build another tower for Elements around Grov eventually.
Sure, there will be many who's first reaction is to assume that the Order is a post-apocalyptic society being managed by surviving AI 'gods' and that their magic is actually advanced technology they maintain without understanding.
But after the initial shock, further study will show that there really is something very weird going on with the Order. And a proper scientist needs to not be afraid to admit that they might be wrong. Soon enough they'll start examining things and trying to figure out what's happening.
And the big thing is, eventually they'll probably succeed. The Order's methods, while requiring a weird mindset sometimes, operate under self-consistent logic and produce consistent results from consistent inputs. Which means that science can, in fact, understand them eventually. It might take decades, and a few truly dedicated scientists managing to pass the trials to genuinely understand at least some of the lesser secrets, but they will get it, and probably start immediately looking into new ways to apply it.
And in turn, the Order is likely to come to understand Science as being another path to try to understand the universe. It might not seek any kind of primordial state, but instead focuses on examining what IS NOW. And philosophers are practical enough to note that it very much gest real, provable results. They might note exactly get why it uses the methods it does, but philosophers have been going for centuries now not truly understanding each other and simply acknowledge that it is incredibly difficult to fully acknowledge the teachings of more than one Tower. So they'd just look into building a Tower dedicated to Science in some form.
On a different tack, I'd say that we can go ahead and put Towers wherever. Eventually as the Order grows, we're going to need more than one physical tower for each Tower anyway, as the numbers involved grow and we colonize other worlds. So we can build a Tower of Elements on Cradle, and still plan to build another tower for Elements around Grov eventually.
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The Tower of Atoms. That's what I'd call it I think. Or the Tower of Science. Of the Seat of Science.
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the tower of atoms doesn't cut to the core of scientific thought, though. the tower, i maintain, would be called the tower of cause because the primary lens through which a scientist sees the world is cause and effect. atoms are the building blocks of the universe, yes, but they are discerned and determined to be through scientific inquiry into the their existence. which is proven through isolating the effects that they cause to happen. atoms themselves on a fundamental level are made of tiny little quantum that cause effects when they gather together in different numbers to cause different emergent effects. this is the foundational philosophy of science, and what i think we'd adapt from study into the scientific thought process
edit: the main difference between science and the tower of cause is that correlation is causation
edit: the main difference between science and the tower of cause is that correlation is causation
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