When we're making a Void fortress, it's consuming an entire mundane population and up to 4 scale. I'm assuming every fortress is getting one Fortress AP to spend on their turn, spesifically because of the fact that we're using up a mundane population in order to actually crew them. It would be weird to me, if we weren't allowed to least explore with the Fortress from that.

While i can see there being limits on more difficult exploration actions, with them costing more Void-Fortress Ap so to speak, i do think we can do the rudementary ones, namely starting to check out the planets/moon in our system. That being said, you are correct in that, we do not have explicity confirmation on the Fortress AP, so this could be egg on my face as they say. Though, it's a guess i'm decently confident in. If i'm wrong about that, we're going to be stuck on the issue either way, no matter what we do at that point though, even if we do your plan this turn instead. Unless we're willing to risk mundane tag on straightening the world.(And i'm not, the fire action is noted as dangerous, and giving this is the Sundial Tower doing the Workings with their flaw of refusing to let anyone at risk, that means we could stand risk of just the action straight up being cnacled).

I suppose what we're discussing is how certain is it we can explore with the God Fortress on the last turn of the cycle, in a way to symbolically match the significance of a Delve, so they benefit from unity and symbolism. Because I totally agree if we can, that is a powerful lead into the next Cycle, setting us up for great exploration Above and Below, and we may as well wait til next turn to Establish the Delvers.

I think there's two sources of uncertainty here:

1. Do we need an AP for the maiden voyage of the God Fortress
2. Will we unlock enough new actions (Mundane from From Stone To Walls and Philosopher just from the act of awakening the God Fortress) that we'll want to prep more than one turn before launching.

I think you're probably right on 1 that in general won't have to spend AP to move our eventually myriad Space Rocks, though am not sure if we will need one for initial voyage.

I had understood the mundane population to be support, believers strengthening the God, not suffice for actual crew operating the God Fortress, and since the Ice Chapter doesn't consume mundane population ("a few thousand worshipers, below the Order's notice" is the line) but isn't described as less capable in terms of exploration.

On 2 I don't know, given Citlalee is winning and your great omake, it's probably safe to at least putter around the system (it might be slow, or bad at scouting, or a lack we don't know yet but it will have water and air by Jove!), but maybe not visit a separate star. I feel like one of the chiller delves would match a Solar System tour, whereas visiting another star might be EggQuest or something even deeper.

Given the (mild) uncertainty I land on the side of establishing the Past Delvers this turn rather than next, so we have the option to do an extra delve this cycle if we can't/won't launch God Fortress until next cycle. My premise here being if we don't launch GF til next cycle, waiting on aligning that with first delve of the Past Delvers, second overall (first was into the maze, right?) isn't worth all the missed delves so we should start now.

Past Delvers also might be able to do training actions or experience the Gallery next turn and save a delve for the last quarter, if things still line up.

More uncertainty! (OldShadow don't spoil it! Our ignorance is important so we match the Philosophers in their questing through the dark! ...unless you want to)

Also this is only a slight pref and some irrational attachment to 'my' plan (that barely differs from yours), so I should probably stop spending words on what is ultimately a tiny detail. But if I didn't like talking lots about small things, wouldn't be on SV :p.
 
I suppose what we're discussing is how certain is it we can explore with the God Fortress on the last turn of the cycle, in a way to symbolically match the significance of a Delve, so they benefit from unity and symbolism. Because I totally agree if we can, that is a powerful lead into the next Cycle, setting us up for great exploration Above and Below, and we may as well wait til next turn to Establish the Delvers.

I think there's two sources of uncertainty here:

1. Do we need an AP for the maiden voyage of the God Fortress
2. Will we unlock enough new actions (Mundane from From Stone To Walls and Philosopher just from the act of awakening the God Fortress) that we'll want to prep more than one turn before launching.

I think you're probably right on 1 that in general won't have to spend AP to move our eventually myriad Space Rocks, though am not sure if we will need one for initial voyage.

I had understood the mundane population to be support, believers strengthening the God, not suffice for actual crew operating the God Fortress, and since the Ice Chapter doesn't consume mundane population ("a few thousand worshipers, below the Order's notice" is the line) but isn't described as less capable in terms of exploration.

On 2 I don't know, given Citlalee is winning and your great omake, it's probably safe to at least putter around the system (it might be slow, or bad at scouting, or a lack we don't know yet but it will have water and air by Jove!), but maybe not visit a separate star. I feel like one of the chiller delves would match a Solar System tour, whereas visiting another star might be EggQuest or something even deeper.

Given the (mild) uncertainty I land on the side of establishing the Past Delvers this turn rather than next, so we have the option to do an extra delve this cycle if we can't/won't launch God Fortress until next cycle. My premise here being if we don't launch GF til next cycle, waiting on aligning that with first delve of the Past Delvers, second overall (first was into the maze, right?) isn't worth all the missed delves so we should start now.

Past Delvers also might be able to do training actions or experience the Gallery next turn and save a delve for the last quarter, if things still line up.

More uncertainty! (OldShadow don't spoil it! Our ignorance is important so we match the Philosophers in their questing through the dark! ...unless you want to)

Also this is only a slight pref and some irrational attachment to 'my' plan (that barely differs from yours), so I should probably stop spending words on what is ultimately a tiny detail. But if I didn't like talking lots about small things, wouldn't be on SV :p.

Discusions like this is really good though. It's how details are brought up that other people may have missed or not noticed how important they are. Almost every plan that's started out, as been changed in minor ways from this. (I've tried to bring in invisible star so many times, only for people to point out there were much better alternatives this turn after all). So, pretty important!

That being said. The way i think Fortress exploration will work, is that due to the massive population, it can travel around and explore places decently, if perhaps stuck at "1" fortress Ap all the time, untill we upgrade it. But, i think if it were to try and construct Workings and similar scale stuff, like say Stargates, then we would need to actually start putting in Order AP. It's what makes most sense for me, after all, if the Fortress is out on another planet, then the amount of Philosphers on Cradle(Our AP in other words), aren't going to affect what they can explore, unless we need to start building something.

And yeah, i generally tend to lean the same way. I do have a OOC question from an earlier omake which i could have used on this fortress question, but i prefer to not use them, since i think trying to understand and learn how the quest functions and playing within the rules is a huge part and what's fun with stuff like this! I, personally at the very least feel like it would be kinda boring to just ask QM for a "How would this turn out". Espesically given the Philospher nature of this quest. But that is personal preference.
 
Speaking of Stargates, I must say I found pretty funny the idea of someone finding millenia laters artifacts from the Order, and thinking it is some advanced precursor civilization, with such incredible tech it looks like magic...before realizing it looks like magic because it is magic !
I quite like this mental image.
 
The Dawn Watcher's Insight
The Dawn Watcher's Insight

Eoparatiratis stood above the world of Cradle, far, far above it. He looked down at the massive orb that floated below, yet above him, looking down from the rough, uncarved surface of the yet unnamed Void-Fortress. Well, yet unnamed but still Fated, the light of the navigator's star shown upon the gray surface, but it was the light of the Albatross' Wing that framed the new embodiment of Citlalee. He had foreseen the shape of the debates, and found it unnecessary to participate, not when there are much more interesting studies to embark on.

The purest light of the Sun he'd yet experienced scintillated off his Shattered Mirror Mask flitting tiny butterflies of light on his surroundings as his head moved to survey. What sublime a moment.

Unfortunately he wasn't meant to simply bask in it, he had a task to complete.

"Brother Dawn Watcher, stop burning your eyes in the light and come help me with these measurements." Bender of Bronze, a fellow from the Sundial Tower beckoned him. He was a short fellow, his head filled with numbers and equations, with no room for anything he can't take a ruler to. He was invaluable for the precision needed to carve this floating mountain efficiently, but he needed constant, meticulous instruction.

Bother.

Eoparatiratis did not, of course, have to measure the angle or width of the chisels needed for the Mundanes to cleave off large chunks, or how hard they must strike to widen the cracks properly. No instead he must decide where they must hit. He saw in the pure light of the Sun the Phantom of the Goddess Fated to Be. She was beautiful. Not nearly as much, was his companion's voice.

However, he wished to go far and beyond. The construction didn't just require precise measurements, but proper timing.

"Not there." He said with a glance. "Five steps over and every ten steps after until you reach the dell. It will give her alure the proper width." Wide enough to ferry supplies to the archers without disrupting their draws, or to have two men stand in queue against besiegers. It would also make the parapets shine, the light of The Clarion Constellation would grace them from around Cradle's horizon just as the chunk would cast away.

Bender of Bronze, as is his wont, questioned him, "Five steps in which direction? And how large are those steps?" It took him little time enough to stop questioning *how* he knew, of course, after the fifth time Eoparatiratis answered 'such it is Fated'. It was the quickest path to make him stop.

That he was irritated by it was merely a small... side effect.

"87 degrees left from your current heading, at your natural pace." He acceded just a tad to Bender of Bronze's need for direction.

"I hate it when you say 'natural pace.' It makes me self-conscious." Bender of Bronze stood, turned, and started walking, taking five, studiously unmeasured steps to his left.

"Self reflection is a keystone of our Order, Bender of Bronze." Eoparatiratis replied glibly, "Perhaps you'll learn to take measure of the world from your swagger."

Bender of Bronze scoffed at the remark, letting it wash over him. if there was one thing Eoparatiratis liked about him, it was that he took things as impersonally as he saw the world. "Who would measure the world with feet?" He asked as he made markings at the correct spot.

"The world is merely a reflection of that which we see in it. Or perhaps they count with their toes."

"I've known Supplicants who came in doing that, it's beaten out of them quickly. If you can't keep track of numbers in your mind, you've no future with the Sundial."

"But Brother Bender of Bronze, you're keeping track of your steps on your hands."

"Short cuts are for those with experience, Dawn Watcher."

"As you say." Eoparatiratis deferred. He pulled out his star charts and trailed after Bender of Bronze. The plan, the timetable, the schedule was important for the construction of Citlalee. The White Tower had taken into account the stars, but Eoparatiratis foresaw an error in their divinations. They had taken into account the star's light which would shine on the Fortress, but only from the limited perspective of their home on Cradle.

But they did not see the stars as they were, they are different even up here on this asteroid, their meanings slightly changed. The Sun shined just as much as the stars did, purifying the surface, yet at the same time the stars shown. They were not hidden by the sky, they were a constant just as much as Cradle above them. As well, half the night sky was not hidden by the ground below, a simple walk could take one to the other side of Citlalee, and the stars shined were completely different. The calculations were done from of the surface of Cradle, and divined the Fate from there, too, but that was not what the Fate of Citlalee was to be.

The Art of Divination wasn't wrong, far from it, but it did not take all into account! Citlalee was currently trapped in Cradle's Fate, the light from the stars colored by its lens, yet that Fate was still Citlalee's own. It hurtled around the sky, separate from Cradle still, the Divinations could not be properly done from the ground, but on the Goddess herself!

This, of course, complicated things, as he had to follow the schedule, while making the proper adjustments and calculations in real time. He currently only had a year to: determine Citlalee's orbit around Cradle and add in Cradle's orbit around the Sun to that, read and adjust Cradle's star charts for Citlalee to determine which stars would be where at what time, divine the change in effects the slight realignment in the star's light would have, adjust the schedule and order of construction to take into account the affects and imbuements the additional star's perspective would have, and hopefully, somehow, on top of all of that, use this phenomenon to enhance her abilities. All while properly planning out the construction right now.

But he saw the steps, the Path Forward rose before him, just as the Dawn always would. Citlalee would not just be the first Void-Fortress, it would be The Archetypical Void-Fortress, superlative in its construction, the one to which all others would be compared and found wanting. Prideful, yes, but he knew he could achieve it, would achieve it. It Was Fated.

He was extremely fortunate that he was given control over the project as a whole, along with some others, this would be even further Hell if he'd have to convince his superiors of the worth of this arrangement rather than just some compatriots. Being the highest representative of the White Tower gave his words and suggestions much heavier weight.

he did some more offhanded simple guiding while trying to figure out the orbits of the planets and Citlalee, the frustration of keeping the angles and charts in track vexing him before his thoughts stumbled upon an idea. Perhaps he needed help with the math. Nonchalantly, not even looking up from his charts, he asked, "Brother Bender of Bronze, you said that your order's Supplicants are taught how to deal with large numbers and keep them in their mind."

"Yes, they are." He replied, himself not looking up from his task of laying out the chisel marks.

"What methods would those be? I do not imagine that you would simply whip them until they can recite equations by rote."

He scoffed, "Of course not." Bender of Bronze was mildly offended by the idea, and goaded into at least some sort of explanation. "The problem most have is that they keep numbers as either words in their head, or an undefined 'amount,' the trick is to instead have symbols drawn on a board in your mind and remember what it looks like."

"Like how we have to remember the stars positions..." The Dawn Watcher looked down at his charts, and it was as if a door was unlocked in his mind.

"Yes, I suppose so." Bender of Bronze replied absently. Eoparatiratis continued to guide him, though less to Bender of Bronze's taste than usual, for his mind was someplace else.

He could already see it, the Sun in the center, Cradle's orbit around it and, far closer to it, Citlalee, he already knew the charts and visages from Cradle's point of view, yet now he flew far above it, and could see the stars in his mind change. He Knew the star charts not by heart, but by soul, why would that change when he stood far above Cradle's surface? Why sit and calculate when he already Knew?

It made much more sense, now, that he could already see the Phantom of Citlalee, he had all the tools he needed to bring her into being, he just needed to use them properly!

Bastions and their arrow slits carved carved while embraced by the nock of The Hunter's Bow, while light shown on from behind Cradle by The Viper's Fang. Battlements founded under the auspice of The Architect's Hammer, beside The Sculptor's Chisel, and at the Point of the Warrior's Sword. The Gate and Portcullis installed in the soft light of The Warrior's Shield.

And the steps needed, the order taken, it was like a dance. Not a straight forward path, but a winding trail in the star's light.

It, the path, the construction, the actions, the Fortress, would be beautiful!
 
The Dawn Watcher's Insight

Eoparatiratis stood above the world of Cradle, far, far above it. He looked down at the massive orb that floated below, yet above him, looking down from the rough, uncarved surface of the yet unnamed Void-Fortress. Well, yet unnamed but still Fated, the light of the navigator's star shown upon the gray surface, but it was the light of the Albatross' Wing that framed the new embodiment of Citlalee. He had foreseen the shape of the debates, and found it unnecessary to participate, not when there are much more interesting studies to embark on.

The purest light of the Sun he'd yet experienced scintillated off his Shattered Mirror Mask flitting tiny butterflies of light on his surroundings as his head moved to survey. What sublime a moment.

Unfortunately he wasn't meant to simply bask in it, he had a task to complete.

"Brother Dawn Watcher, stop burning your eyes in the light and come help me with these measurements." Bender of Bronze, a fellow from the Sundial Tower beckoned him. He was a short fellow, his head filled with numbers and equations, with no room for anything he can't take a ruler to. He was invaluable for the precision needed to carve this floating mountain efficiently, but he needed constant, meticulous instruction.

Bother.

Eoparatiratis did not, of course, have to measure the angle or width of the chisels needed for the Mundanes to cleave off large chunks, or how hard they must strike to widen the cracks properly. No instead he must decide where they must hit. He saw in the pure light of the Sun the Phantom of the Goddess Fated to Be. She was beautiful. Not nearly as much, was his companion's voice.

However, he wished to go far and beyond. The construction didn't just require precise measurements, but proper timing.

"Not there." He said with a glance. "Five steps over and every ten steps after until you reach the dell. It will give her alure the proper width." Wide enough to ferry supplies to the archers without disrupting their draws, or to have two men stand in queue against besiegers. It would also make the parapets shine, the light of The Clarion Constellation would grace them from around Cradle's horizon just as the chunk would cast away.

Bender of Bronze, as is his wont, questioned him, "Five steps in which direction? And how large are those steps?" It took him little time enough to stop questioning *how* he knew, of course, after the fifth time Eoparatiratis answered 'such it is Fated'. It was the quickest path to make him stop.

That he was irritated by it was merely a small... side effect.

"87 degrees left from your current heading, at your natural pace." He acceded just a tad to Bender of Bronze's need for direction.

"I hate it when you say 'natural pace.' It makes me self-conscious." Bender of Bronze stood, turned, and started walking, taking five, studiously unmeasured steps to his left.

"Self reflection is a keystone of our Order, Bender of Bronze." Eoparatiratis replied glibly, "Perhaps you'll learn to take measure of the world from your swagger."

Bender of Bronze scoffed at the remark, letting it wash over him. if there was one thing Eoparatiratis liked about him, it was that he took things as impersonally as he saw the world. "Who would measure the world with feet?" He asked as he made markings at the correct spot.

"The world is merely a reflection of that which we see in it. Or perhaps they count with their toes."

"I've known Supplicants who came in doing that, it's beaten out of them quickly. If you can't keep track of numbers in your mind, you've no future with the Sundial."

"But Brother Bender of Bronze, you're keeping track of your steps on your hands."

"Short cuts are for those with experience, Dawn Watcher."

"As you say." Eoparatiratis deferred. He pulled out his star charts and trailed after Bender of Bronze. The plan, the timetable, the schedule was important for the construction of Citlalee. The White Tower had taken into account the stars, but Eoparatiratis foresaw an error in their divinations. They had taken into account the star's light which would shine on the Fortress, but only from the limited perspective of their home on Cradle.

But they did not see the stars as they were, they are different even up here on this asteroid, their meanings slightly changed. The Sun shined just as much as the stars did, purifying the surface, yet at the same time the stars shown. They were not hidden by the sky, they were a constant just as much as Cradle above them. As well, half the night sky was not hidden by the ground below, a simple walk could take one to the other side of Citlalee, and the stars shined were completely different. The calculations were done from of the surface of Cradle, and divined the Fate from there, too, but that was not what the Fate of Citlalee was to be.

The Art of Divination wasn't wrong, far from it, but it did not take all into account! Citlalee was currently trapped in Cradle's Fate, the light from the stars colored by its lens, yet that Fate was still Citlalee's own. It hurtled around the sky, separate from Cradle still, the Divinations could not be properly done from the ground, but on the Goddess herself!

This, of course, complicated things, as he had to follow the schedule, while making the proper adjustments and calculations in real time. He currently only had a year to: determine Citlalee's orbit around Cradle and add in Cradle's orbit around the Sun to that, read and adjust Cradle's star charts for Citlalee to determine which stars would be where at what time, divine the change in effects the slight realignment in the star's light would have, adjust the schedule and order of construction to take into account the affects and imbuements the additional star's perspective would have, and hopefully, somehow, on top of all of that, use this phenomenon to enhance her abilities. All while properly planning out the construction right now.

But he saw the steps, the Path Forward rose before him, just as the Dawn always would. Citlalee would not just be the first Void-Fortress, it would be The Archetypical Void-Fortress, superlative in its construction, the one to which all others would be compared and found wanting. Prideful, yes, but he knew he could achieve it, would achieve it. It Was Fated.

He was extremely fortunate that he was given control over the project as a whole, along with some others, this would be even further Hell if he'd have to convince his superiors of the worth of this arrangement rather than just some compatriots. Being the highest representative of the White Tower gave his words and suggestions much heavier weight.

he did some more offhanded simple guiding while trying to figure out the orbits of the planets and Citlalee, the frustration of keeping the angles and charts in track vexing him before his thoughts stumbled upon an idea. Perhaps he needed help with the math. Nonchalantly, not even looking up from his charts, he asked, "Brother Bender of Bronze, you said that your order's Supplicants are taught how to deal with large numbers and keep them in their mind."

"Yes, they are." He replied, himself not looking up from his task of laying out the chisel marks.

"What methods would those be? I do not imagine that you would simply whip them until they can recite equations by rote."

He scoffed, "Of course not." Bender of Bronze was mildly offended by the idea, and goaded into at least some sort of explanation. "The problem most have is that they keep numbers as either words in their head, or an undefined 'amount,' the trick is to instead have symbols drawn on a board in your mind and remember what it looks like."

"Like how we have to remember the stars positions..." The Dawn Watcher looked down at his charts, and it was as if a door was unlocked in his mind.

"Yes, I suppose so." Bender of Bronze replied absently. Eoparatiratis continued to guide him, though less to Bender of Bronze's taste than usual, for his mind was someplace else.

He could already see it, the Sun in the center, Cradle's orbit around it and, far closer to it, Citlalee, he already knew the charts and visages from Cradle's point of view, yet now he flew far above it, and could see the stars in his mind change. He Knew the star charts not by heart, but by soul, why would that change when he stood far above Cradle's surface? Why sit and calculate when he already Knew?

It made much more sense, now, that he could already see the Phantom of Citlalee, he had all the tools he needed to bring her into being, he just needed to use them properly!

Bastions and their arrow slits carved carved while embraced by the nock of The Hunter's Bow, while light shown on from behind Cradle by The Viper's Fang. Battlements founded under the auspice of The Architect's Hammer, beside The Sculptor's Chisel, and at the Point of the Warrior's Sword. The Gate and Portcullis installed in the soft light of The Warrior's Shield.

And the steps needed, the order taken, it was like a dance. Not a straight forward path, but a winding trail in the star's light.

It, the path, the construction, the actions, the Fortress, would be beautiful!
Nice presentation on how Philosophers would work to prepare for making a Void Fortress.
I will just say it is easier for Philosophers to project themselves on an asteroid than physically teleport on it, but at a certain point, it makes very little difference beyond "I can't bring anything back".
I particularly liked how you described The Dawn Watcher working, and the...very true to my idea of the Philosophers you presented how Philosophers work and discuss together.
I am going to put this omake in my back pocket and keep it for later, trust me.
 
I got a question regarding hero placement! Can you assign more then one Hero to an action? I'd assume not, at least with two Philosophers, but as we're jumping past the Fortress and Reordering which was extremly suited, finding out that is on the list.

And if not on same action, could we have in theory put Abandoner of distance upon one if the sub action to the void fortress?

Currently, I'm leaning Abandoner on Straightening with a mundane point and Watcher on either Storm or Void-Fortress action, and i don't think we'l ever put those two on the same action, but as we're getting more Hero's active. It would be nice to know for future planning
 
I got a question regarding hero placement! Can you assign more then one Hero to an action? I'd assume not, at least with two Philosophers, but as we're jumping past the Fortress and Reordering which was extremly suited, finding out that is on the list.

And if not on same action, could we have in theory put Abandoner of distance upon one if the sub action to the void fortress?

Currently, I'm leaning Abandoner on Straightening with a mundane point and Watcher on either Storm or Void-Fortress action, and i don't think we'l ever put those two on the same action, but as we're getting more Hero's active. It would be nice to know for future planning
You can put as much Heroes as you want on one action, and can put them on sub-action.
Just don't assign conflicting personnality on the same one...
 
Huh, I'd assume you couldn't put two Philosophers hero's on same action because of their mentality and philosophy would clash but i suppose that isn't quite the case then.

We're also unlocking the Tower than Think's student next turn as well, we're only missing a living tower and we'd have four set
Hmm

The architect might be good on either storm or past devlers actions, will have to think about it
 
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  • -[X] Plan Elemental Growth
    -[X] Straightening of the World [1/4] [Mundane] [Sundial Tower] [Precises] [Path of the Elements] [Gardeners], -1 AP
    -[X] Awake the Fortress of the Void [0/1] [Use 3 Scale, Consume 1 Unit of Asteroid and 1 Mundane Population], -1 AP, [Dawn Watcher]
    -[X] From Stone to Walls [0/1] [Mundane only], -1 MAP
    -[X] Seed of the Explorer [Omake reward: Mundane Dreams, Shameful True]
    -[X] A Name for a Fortress [Citlalee, God of Air]
    -[X] A Seed of Ice [Increase cost by 1 unit of Comets and 1 Scale]
    -[X] Purify the Storm [0/3] [Path of the Elements] [White Tower; Living Tower], -1 AP
    -[X] Righteous Reordering of Travels [1/2] [Consume 1 Scale] [Sundial Tower], -1 AP, [Abandonner of Distance]
    -[X] Build the Heavenly Cities [Mundane] Updated
    -[X] Ever Higher [0/1] [Tower that Think] [Precises] -1 MAP
    [X] Changeless [Eye] : How can a mind exist that may stay unchanged until the stars die ?
    [X] Plan: Medical Mastery on the Way to Stars w/Citlalee
    -[X] Sowing the Fields of Tomorrow [Mundane] [Living Tower] [Singing Shepherds]
    --[X] Food of the Soul [0/1] [Potiooners, Healers] 1x Conclave
    -[X] Awake the Fortress of the Void [0/1] [Use 3 Scale, Consume 1 Unit of Asteroid and 1 Mundane Population] 1x Order
    --[X] From Stone to Walls [0/1] [Mundane only] 1x Mundane
    --[X] Seed of the Explorer [Omake reward: Mundane Dreams, Shameful True]
    ---[X] Apply Hero: [Dawn Watcher]
    --[X] A Name for a Fortress [Mārama - Illumination in Maori]
    -[X] Straightening of the World [1/4] [Mundane] [Sundial Tower] [Precises] [Path of the Elements] [Gardeners] 1x Mundane
    -[X] Righteous Reordering of Travels [1/2] [Consume 1 Scale] [Sundial Tower] 1x Order
    --[X] Apply Hero: [Abandoner of Distance]
    -[X] Material Mastery of the Body [0/2] [Living Tower] [Healers] [Gift of Health] 2x Order
    [X] Plan: Elemental Growth w/ PastDelve + Illumination
    -[X] Awake the Fortress of the Void [0/1] [Use 3 Scale, Consume 1 Unit of Asteroid and 1 Mundane Population], -1 AP, [Dawn Watcher]
    --[X] From Stone to Walls [0/1] [Mundane only] [Reduces cost by 1 Scale] 1 MAP
    --[X] Seed of the Explorer [Omake reward: Mundane Dreams, Shameful True]
    --[X] A Seed of Ice [Increase cost by 1 unit of Comets and 1 Scale]
    --[X] A Name for a Fortress [Mārama - Illumination in Maori]
    -[X] Purify the Storm [0/3] [Path of the Elements] [White Tower; Living Tower], -1 AP
    -[X] Righteous Reordering of Travels [1/2] [Consume 1 Scale] [Sundial Tower], -1 AP, [Abandonner of Distance]
    -[X] Straightening of the World [1/4] [Mundane] [Sundial Tower] [Precises] [Path of the Elements] [Gardeners], -1 AP
    -[X] To train Past-Delvers [Path of History]
    --[X] Train the Historians [0/1] [Mundane] [Sundial Tower] 1 MAP
    --[X] Gallery of the Revealed Past [Free] [Consume 1 Reliques] [Tower that Think] [Path of History; Path of Restoration]
    [X] Plan: Medical Mastery on the Way to Stars w/Ilumination
    -[X] Sowing the Fields of Tomorrow [Mundane] [Living Tower] [Singing Shepherds]
    --[X] Food of the Soul [0/1] [Potiooners, Healers] 1x Conclave
    -[X] Awake the Fortress of the Void [0/1] [Use 3 Scale, Consume 1 Unit of Asteroid and 1 Mundane Population] 1x Order
    --[X] From Stone to Walls [0/1] [Mundane only] 1x Mundane
    --[X] Seed of the Explorer [Omake reward: Mundane Dreams, Shameful True]
    ---[X] Apply Hero: [Dawn Watcher]
    --[X] A Name for a Fortress [Mārama - Illumination in Maori]
    -[X] Straightening of the World [1/4] [Mundane] [Sundial Tower] [Precises] [Path of the Elements] [Gardeners] 1x Mundane
    -[X] Righteous Reordering of Travels [1/2] [Consume 1 Scale] [Sundial Tower] 1x Order
    --[X] Apply Hero: [Abandoner of Distance]
    -[X] Material Mastery of the Body [0/2] [Living Tower] [Healers] [Gift of Health] 2x Order
 
So Elemental Growth won! Kinda suprised it wasn't close to be honest, given all the debates and stuff before the vote, i thought i'd really need to argue for it. Espesically in regard to the God Domain and Stuff.
 
well i believe that as a whole we have decided on the proper course for this cycle, so most people wouldn't vote for the one competing plan as it does not start purifying the storm this turn, as would be necessary. and the other plan is a minor change to yours for an action that would be better served done next turn.

as to the god-fortress' domain, it's a good one, and fits with the theme of the elements this cycle, so i take no umbrage with it
 
Yeah! Something to be said about re-birthing a God of air into the world of Cradle on the same turns as we're finally starting to claw back the Storm's that were tainted by the Doom. In a way, this was the Turn of the wind and travel, with both the Fortress, Reordering done on the same turn as the Storm.
 
[] See the Invisible Stars [0/1] [Sundial Tower;White Tower]
Given I don't know whether our void fortresses really have windows, this might be very helpful for helping our ships navigate.
[] Material Mastery of the Body [0/2] [Living Tower] [Healers] [Gift of Health]
The Teachers desire to spread far and wide every secret of medicine that only requires a keen mind and agile fingers.
Surgery, the brewing of medicines, how to balance diet, exercise and sleep, the secrets of meditations, the influence of the stars on health, everything.
Transmitting such an enormous body of knowledge will take enormous efforts, especially since the healers want to spread it as widely as possible.
In their currents, they want to create enough schools to provide at least one trained healer for one thousand Mundanes, each trainer educated for at least 10 years.
This is…quite ambitious.
Provide the best possible healers with Bronze Age technology.

[] Lesser Mastery of Herbs [0/1] [Living Tower] [Potioneers] [Gift of Health]

The Potioneers, for their parts, desire able assistants to help them in producing the colossal quantity of elixirs their plan demands, and spread them to the Mundane.
They have already planned for schools where those assistants would train and test their productions.
For some reasons, they insist on the last part.
Provide skilled Mundane alchemists
So, given the massive influx of ingredients we will receive next turn thanks to the mundanes building out the food of the soul. I would like to see us pursue lesser mastery of Herbs and/or material mastery of the body. The former because it combos really well with easier access to reagents, the latter because it also combos well with easy access to drugs and good food. Additionally both of these are likely to dramatically extend the life expectancy of the mundane.
[] Glorious Sharing of Wisdom [0/4] [Mundane] [Guilds]
The Guilds have proved their use, providing a vast amount of skilled help to the Order.
Some argue that this is enough, that we should simply call upon the Guilds and let their knowledge slowly spread in the Mundanes population.
Others have far more ambitious proposals, calling for the creation of entire districts in the God-Cities, dedicated to sharing as much knowledge deemed safe for the Mundanes as possible with as many Mundane as possibles.
Those plans would consume vast resources, but, according to most omens, would ensure at least 1 out a 100 Mundanes would hold a faint spark of enlightenment.
Massive educational efforts, construction of vast universities, explosion in the memberships of the Guilds.
Also, we should really do this at some point, more Philosophers and more Guild members is always good, especially as we start to spread out.
 
Upcoming turn, will depends a lot on where the mundane conclave point is going, and what we're unlocking with the fortress options. And potentially the Reordering. The Second circle does say it's the first step, so there may be more refinement of that. If that's worth doing right now or not is a fully different question.

I do really wanna do invisible stars or Lesser Alchemist though to be honest, but personal preference may take a side-step.
 
Yeah, lesser herbs is very tempting. I think I'm still leaning Beyond The Lunar Sphere for an observatory, will scout out the system before we send out the Citlalee.
 
We are almost assuradly doing the Elemental stuff, and the Past delvers stuff. So, that's about 3 AP on elemental. We could make a case for setting Vyati with the mundanes on the Straightening, i think it should be fine for just that turn, which means we're looking at two AP locked down.

My current preference is The Shaped Assistants and Train the historians, which means we're at 3 AP, 1 MAP and 2 used scale in total. It does leave our budget a bit tight, but getting in either Lunar Sphere or Lesser herbs in at that point shouldn't be too bad, and the Last MAP either for one of the God-City halls or a potential Fortress upgrade.

A third alternative is doing instinct to the mindless or teach the unenglighted with Wertifi whom we are unlocking in this upcoming turn. I think, all things said the Elemental and Past-delvers is set in stone at this point, so the debate should be centered around where we want to spend our last points and on what(and if we think Vyatti and the mundanes on Straightening is going to be fine, turn three is going to be the one time i think we can actually do that, since i think we should spend AP on the last turn there). Destructive studies could be really nice as well, if people are willing to give up a reliquries for AP and knowledge.
 
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We are? If I'm being fully honest, i never fully caught on how the comets/asteroids rolls worked. Would be really nice though, if only for the options they are opening for us
 
want ideas for a omake
For A list of founders of the Order.
There are three categories of what I would call founders of the Order.

Mythical figures, like the Thrice-Great or the Far-Sighted Architect that made the Maze, but they lived before the Order, and at best it could be say some of the Philosophers that formed the Order where inspired by their Works (or carried on their legacy).
They are to the Order what Solomon was to the Ethiopian Kings.

Various great names from the heroics time just after the founding of the Order, when the first Philosophers were running around all over the world to gather as much knowledge, power and members as possible and find a way to combat the Doom will the various Mundane Kingdoms where ravaged by disasters after disasters and falling apart.
However this is before the traditions and ways of teaching of the Order were standardized and the Towers founded, and in the general chaos of the time many records were lost.
At this point in time Philosophers acted more like D&D wizards than their current status, and spent their time delving in ruins, fighting sorcerers (redeming them or killing them for their loot) and convincing/forcing most of the mystics on Cradle to join the Order.
They are to the Order what the warlord that founded a kingdom is to his established descendants.

And the (now almost all dead) Philosophers that worked on the 4 first Workings and the Fruitless Tree, when the Order had truly taken shape.
They are to the Order what Mary-Curie or Einsten are to modern scientists.

What type do you prefer ? I don't have true bios in mind, but I have some vague ideas I could share.
 
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