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Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

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I agree that every now and then there could be a combat interrupt where Revy gets blindsided.

Those give us a more up close and personal look at how we have changed things.
 
BurnNote said:
So, two months are up, my thesis is done (and thank the gods for that)
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Hey, congrats dude!

BurnNote said:
Are you here for the tech progression, the plot, the characters, the business decisions? Something else? Please tell me. It'll be quite helpful to me. And if you have issues or concerns, then do voice them.
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Man, I really will have to work on that re-read, but from memory...

I liked the characters, and working out tech combinations/loadouts as well as general business practices.
The mass of minutia and messing about with spreadsheets about profit factors and expenditure was beyond me and therefore a turn-off, but I don't mind it existing so long as I personally can ignore it.

The biggest issue and/or question I'll have is just what level of... I don't know, technology cross-over and transhumanism and stuff will be expected.
Like, will the Iron-Man tech be more traditional movie-verse stuff where it's mainly Super-Engineering with power, repulsor and laser tech or mixing in other stuff like liquid metal personal bio-symbiont?
And how much can/will/should we diverge from the ME style where their heaviest armour is still a skinsuit with the bulk of SWAT gear and all personal weapons are made to shrink to laptop-size instead of staying big and just being built better?

Cause near the end there we were talking about stuff like making Super Serums and biological immortality for everyone - which personally didn't seem to suit the themes/abilities of either side of the crossover, at least not so early/easily.
Having limits so we know what lines to aim our creativity within just seems like a benefit to me.

I'm definitely interested, anyway!
 
I loved the plot, tech progression, the literal mad dash arms race, and the big fights.
It would be cool to have a few more bits of character interaction and possibly more Marvel influences seeping in.
Seeping mind you, not bombastically appearing out of nowhere.
 
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I liked both the tech progression and the company as well as the combat though the company side when it came to finance did feel overly complex at times.
 
I love the idea that Revy can finally solve the Organic-Synthetic co-existence problem that drives the Reapers. The greatest end-goal accomplishment for Revy would be for the Reapers to thank her for ending the Cycle.
 
Personally, I thought it was a mix of SCIENCE!!! and plot that made this quest great.

The advancement of Science is all well and good, developing tech is fun, but it's the fact that the tech level is such an integral plot point to the story itself that makes this quest interesting. Whenever we develop a better rifle or more powerful missile, we're changing the game. We're making ourselves more effective against the Reapers. The force multiplier our tech is giving us (and the galaxy as a whole) is so great that it actually shifts the plot.

My main interest in this quest is seeing just how hard the plot gets shifted.
 
killfr3nzy said:
Hey, congrats dude!



Man, I really will have to work on that re-read, but from memory...

I liked the characters, and working out tech combinations/loadouts as well as general business practices.
The mass of minutia and messing about with spreadsheets about profit factors and expenditure was beyond me and therefore a turn-off, but I don't mind it existing so long as I personally can ignore it.

The biggest issue and/or question I'll have is just what level of... I don't know, technology cross-over and transhumanism and stuff will be expected.
Like, will the Iron-Man tech be more traditional movie-verse stuff where it's mainly Super-Engineering with power, repulsor and laser tech or mixing in other stuff like liquid metal personal bio-symbiont?
And how much can/will/should we diverge from the ME style where their heaviest armour is still a skinsuit with the bulk of SWAT gear and all personal weapons are made to shrink to laptop-size instead of staying big and just being built better?

Cause near the end there we were talking about stuff like making Super Serums and biological immortality for everyone - which personally didn't seem to suit the themes/abilities of either side of the crossover, at least not so early/easily.
Having limits so we know what lines to aim our creativity within just seems like a benefit to me.

I'm definitely interested, anyway!
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Movie verse has those "Guardians of the Galaxy" guys like Groot, you know and THAT means second movie repair gun.
Fun.

In the tech (horror) department.
And keep that arrow away from me, you hear!!!??
Yeah, they already have biotic implants, can't see why not such a controlling system hock-up implant as well, using short range secure transmittions to talk with the headgear.
 
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BurnNote said:
So, two months are up, my thesis is done (and thank the gods for that), and my noses is only running a little. Time to talk about the quest.

I said I'd be up for QMing it. I'll spent the next bit or so rereading the quest, trying to grok the mechanics, talking to the other QMs, and so on. Dunno how long that'll take, but I'd say at least two weeks.

I also invite you to do a reread with me, and tell me what you like about the quest. This is actually really important. Are you here for the tech progression, the plot, the characters, the business decisions? Something else? Please tell me. It'll be quite helpful to me. And if you have issues or concerns, then do voice them.
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If you want my old notes, let me know. Most of them are rather obsolescent at this point, but I still have the original tech tree sitting on my harddrive and my attempts to rationalize Alliance and Turian Ship numbers/economy might be useful.
 
Oh and I did not like Kasumi as a literary tool or character in the story. I honestly rather she stopped showing up or offered some mechanical advantages. Either make her useful or cut her out of the writing. Then again I know some people loved her so I can live with having more chapters with her in them so long as we get more chapters.
 
Daniel14541 said:
Oh and I did not like Kasumi as a literary tool or character in the story. I honestly rather she stopped showing up or offered some mechanical advantages. Either make her useful or cut her out of the writing. Then again I know some people loved her so I can live with having more chapters with her in them so long as we get more chapters.
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We never had situation where a underage girl with improbable stealth skills would be useful. Character interactions do no need mechanical advantage to be fun.
Aside of the SR4 mechanics for combat, characters did not really use stats, so assigning mechanical bonuses to her would have been moot point.
 
tyaty1 said:
Yeah, logically speaking, Tony wasted his time as superhero. He was Iron Man for very personal reasons.
Revy has no such such of baggage. Also the classic concept of superhero does not really works in a larger setting.
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Actually can it really be said that Tony wasted his time as a superhero considering that he literally saves the world every few years? It should also be noted that he actually does the superhero thing only every once in a while while he has Pepper run his actual company since she was legit better suited to it. I also think I remember reading something about Tony actually inventing quite a few things in his timeline like the Iphone and other commercially available tech.

Also from a Doylist answer it's mostly meta reasons that Iron Man can't make too many changes to the actual Marvel setting or else it would realistically alter the setting to the point that it wouldn't resemble the actual world at all and would make most of the other heroes irrelevent if his tech was propagated enough. Though from a Watson perspective it could just be that in his time that most of his inventions are just to expensive to be mass produced considering that his personal power armor alone cost several tens of millions of dollars or more. So maybe a mix of both maybe why he doesn't change as much as he could in his world.

tyaty1 said:
Giant robots are impractical, unless they can use giant scale biotics.
PI tech is always practical, aside of some odd prototypes.
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Didn't a few people actually come up with a way to make giant robots practical in this thread?
 
tyaty1 said:
We never had situation where a underage girl with improbable stealth skills would be useful. Character interactions do no need mechanical advantage to be fun.
Aside of the SR4 mechanics for combat, characters did not really use stats, so assigning mechanical bonuses to her would have been moot point.
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Irrelevant to my distaste for her. Either she is useful and proves to be so so she is tolerated or I find her highly annoying to read.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned before but the link to the new tech tree is dead.
 
While this is probably an unpopular opinion (and is very tainted by recollection rather than me having read recently) I didn't like the speed at which tech was able to advance in any direction* where all other races could do nothing to match the MC.

I think one thing I would have preferred would have been something like stages to tech advances.

By that I mean something like: first you need the initial fundamental research, which opens up the ability to make applications of it, and finally (if needed) to figure out how to scale it up to something that works in a galactic market.

It wouldn't have had to be like that for everything, like if the MC wanted better materials (fundamental) it wouldn't require significant effort to integrate that improvement (application), but it would require the effort to produce the materials and retool lines of production (galactic scale).



*part of me didn't like how the MC could become like one of the leading minds in any field with only a bit of effort, even ones that Tony Stark never really touched. Some of the stuff was really cool, but I recall it coming off like the MC studying hard for a few months in a completely new field to become one of its leading minds.
 
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next turn we will have to recruit more ground forces and more ships for our PMC as they will be of great use during the war and after the war as the Systems Alliance will have more territories to defend and we can make a play for the Terminus as they will be weaker they ever so we can takeover some planets
 
Blonddude42 said:
While this is probably an unpopular opinion (and is very tainted by recollection rather than me having read recently) I didn't like the speed at which tech was able to advance in any direction* where all other races could do nothing to match the MC.

I think one thing I would have preferred would have been something like stages to tech advances.

By that I mean something like: first you need the initial fundamental research, which opens up the ability to make applications of it, and finally (if needed) to figure out how to scale it up to something that works in a galactic market.

It wouldn't have had to be like that for everything, like if the MC wanted better materials (fundamental) it wouldn't require significant effort to integrate that improvement (application), but it would require the effort to produce the materials and retool lines of production (galactic scale).



*part of me didn't like how the MC could become like one of the leading minds in any field with only a bit of effort, even ones that Tony Stark never really touched. Some of the stuff was really cool, but I recall it coming off like the MC studying hard for a few months in a completely new field to become one of its leading minds.
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Remmy is not possesed by tony stark or a reincarnation she merely had his level of intelligence. Remeber the first avenger movie where he learned gamma rad science overnight to help banner a expert in the field?

She is a capital G genius
 
Red Bovine said:
Actually can it really be said that Tony wasted his time as a superhero considering that he literally saves the world every few years? It should also be noted that he actually does the superhero thing only every once in a while while he has Pepper run his actual company since she was legit better suited to it. I also think I remember reading something about Tony actually inventing quite a few things in his timeline like the Iphone and other commercially available tech.

Also from a Doylist answer it's mostly meta reasons that Iron Man can't make too many changes to the actual Marvel setting or else it would realistically alter the setting to the point that it wouldn't resemble the actual world at all and would make most of the other heroes irrelevent if his tech was propagated enough. Though from a Watson perspective it could just be that in his time that most of his inventions are just to expensive to be mass produced considering that his personal power armor alone cost several tens of millions of dollars or more. So maybe a mix of both maybe why he doesn't change as much as he could in his world.



Didn't a few people actually come up with a way to make giant robots practical in this thread?
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TLDR: Tony works on comic book logic.
And he is still better in that regard, than anyone else.
Revy does not works on comic book logic. And frankly, an N7 with a Legonary would be way more effective than her in combat.

Giant robots work with artificial biotics, but even in that case they would be only useful against landed small Reapers.
 
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tri2 said:
Remmy is not possesed by tony stark or a reincarnation she merely had his level of intelligence. Remeber the first avenger movie where he learned gamma rad science overnight to help banner a expert in the field?

She is a capital G genius
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Three (well, one and another that has like 2 parts) things:

1) I recognize that my opinion is unpopular, and could very well not be shared by anyone.

2) Capitol G genius doesn't quite cover it. Especially since the setting doesn't have anyone that can compare. Tony Stark is a Genius by the standards of the marvel universe, but he's in that universe operating on its logic (primarily -- maintain status quo and Geniuses can do whatever sounds smart as the plot demands). Revy is that, but put in a universe where that kind of logic doesn't mesh. Hell, I'd say her presence breaks the setting (in a fun, curbstomp kind of way admittedly).

2a) part of the issue here connects to the hard scifi, soft scifi divide. Marvel can be considered soft scifi. Mass Effect is soft scifi that likes to pretend it's hard scifi. This quest cherry picks where it adds hard scifi to the exclusive benefit of the MC.

2b) If you enjoyed the lack of credible challenges*, then there's nothing to fix because things are working as intended. And there's nothing wrong with that.



*things that Revy isn't guaranteed to beat in the long run
 
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