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Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

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is there any way to cut off the batarians access to the markets and resources of the terminus system?

the terminus system has to be one of their important trading and supply routes.
We need to cut it off.
Is it possible to recreate raiding ships through the use of certain tech like invisible ship tech and multicores.
 
Slamu said:
1. These troops can't be everywhere or else they'd be spread too thin. Even if it's just a podunk ship attacking undefended mining colonies, that's a gnat that is buzzing around where they don't want it.
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Even a mining colony in Hegemony space is liable to have some defense capacity. If nothing else because a mining facility would have a major slave component that needs to be controlled and can't be left open to the nearest abolitionist to fly in and attack the garrison.

Slamu said:
2. The assumption that we will have void superiority means that either the defenders won't be able to move troops to where they're needed in time to handle lightning raids, or they're exiting the atmosphere where they can be swatted down like flies.
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We'll have fighters and nothing better. Forget the idea of void superiority in all worthwhile cases. The Batarian Hegemony isn't stupid; even if it's a bunch of old, third rate frigates they'll station a force, and what ParSec can muster won't be enough to break that without risking the entire mission.

Slamu said:
3. I was operating under the assumption that there would be more than just troop transports deployed here.
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Yes. Fighters. Everything else the SA said 'works for us now.'

Slamu said:
4. Fomenting a slave revolt on key planets means that rather than having to ship in a battalion of soldiers, we can ship in four battalions of war material and some advisors. While slaves aren't going to have the training and discipline expected of soldiers, there's a lot more of them and they're the kind of problem that a slaveowning society can't really ignore. There's going to be more to it than just dropping off some guns and saying "good luck guys" if we want it to be successful, but just doing that is going to be a nontrivial threat to that planet's public security.
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Even a slave army of several thousands is not going to be much of a threat for the Hegemony, and with as limited forces and time we'll have during these raids that's the best we can expect. Even per planet.

Slamu said:
6. It costs money to construct facilities. It costs more money to harden those facilities. It costs yet more money to keep these facilities up-to-date. PI has been pushing the state of the art in weapons for some time now, while the Hegemony's economy hasn't been booming the same way. While I'm sure their critical facilities have been kept updated, their merely important ones have likely flagged behind. I doubt these facilities are immune to being attacked.
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Hardening facilities against orbital bombardment isn't hard, especially when there are hard limits to the size of attacking threats you can expect. Outside of dreadnought scale weaponry it's highly likely that all Hegemony facilities are too well defended by either being buried or by being under a GARDIAN umbrella of some sort. At least for incidental riding of the weight ParSec can muster.

Slamu said:
7. Furthermore, it's not just the central government that are viable targets; freeing the factory workers, miners, farmhands, domestic servants etc of Batarians and evacuating them is at least as useful as it removes workers from the Batarian war machine, freed slaves provide more PR grist for the mill (not particularly needed here, but every little bit helps), frees up more labor for us if they're repatriated (though honestly I expect they'll be a mild drain on us for the duration of the conflict, unless some of them want to turn around and enlist so they too can punch four eyes and get paid for it) and is a morale hit to the Batarians because in addition to anti-war propoganda flooding their portion of the exo-net (where anyone with eyes to see can find it) the civilians have lost their slaves, the beings on whom their economy is based. What are you going to do, make the overseer assemble components somewhere? Credit the loss of the slaves to the owners and shuffle around some spare stock so more can go to work in an demonstrably vulnerable factory? The common Batarian loses out in their quality of life, economically, have to deal with negativity flooding their recreation...
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... The Batarian Hegemony is not a democracy. It does not know free speech. It does not pretend to be a democracy either. It has a dedicated internal and external spying agency that's considered effective enough that Hegemony space is effectively an information black hole. The public won't have a clue.

Evacuating workers from the Batarian workforce will not make a meaningful impact when thousands of people per day is a rounding error. The economy won't care.

Slamu said:
How are you measuring 'worthwhile impact'? Because as I'm seeing it this would be "free" forces here; combatants that weren't already engaged in the conflict in some way. Paragon Securities is forwarded to the SA military for the duration of hostilities (though so far they've only called up the naval elements). The lift capabilities are being called in basically ex nihlo (well, sort of; these cruise liners weren't going to charter themselves) and the Terminus Specials and crew from the Hierarchy would basically be a way to deniably allow Turians to help out in the conflict; they were hired by ParSec, so it's under the humans' umbrella.
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This would be an option but is not being decided right now. Only ParSec's force disposition. And ParSec has constraints that make this impossible. If we do something the Alliance does not like, like wasting ParSec's forces on risky low return jobs they'll turn ParSec into a branch of the Alliance military and tell us to fork over the cash to keep it working until after the war is over, when they'll consider compensating ParSec for the assistance offered.

Slamu said:
Furthermore, having Terminus Specials wandering around in the Hegemony's back yard is going to be problematic for them because, historically, the pirates have been allies (if not friends) of the Hegemony. If you've got pirate ships attacking Batarian worlds they're going to have some decisions to make. Do they deny their auxiliaries access to their worlds (alienating the pirates, whose crews are in this for the plunder even if the commanders are true blue patriots)? Do they spread out their garrison fleets to try and hunt them down (making patrolling ships more vulnerable to surprise-Pydnas)?
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Deployment of military grade frigates are not a question ParSec needs to wonder about right now, as right now the total amount of such ships available to ParSec is zero and will remain zero for the foreseeable future. Acquiring the services of another PMC from outside the Alliance would be politically very complicated.

Slamu said:
Yes, and this is meant to further weaken the Hegemony's war economy by removing workers from their workforce and disrupting their production.
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Nothing of worth could we do with what little forces we've got.
 
Derp missed things @UberJJK asked about, sorry!

UberJJK said:
Interesting to see a chunk of the Terminus, along with unsurprisingly all the pirates and warlords propped up by the Batarians, joining in the Hegemony's war.
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As much as ME2's portrayal of the Terminus bugs me I'm willing to use parts of it. Batarian is the Lingua Franca of the Terminus because the Hegemony is the dominant power of the region. Surprise surprise they have puppet factions in the region.

UberJJK said:
Although it may just be that thanks to being a direct neural interface it can effectively replicate Asari melding. Or put another way everyone who watches the movie feels like they are having mind-sex.
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Eh less the mind sex and more the entire melding experience. Melding is used for far more than sex. It's used for memories, experiences and sharing emotions. For the Asari it's a complete sense of its own used to explore the galaxy at a personal level. It also can be used for sex so everyone obsesses over that.

In this case they got a simstim recording of a Asari matriarch who specializes in melding using melding to demonstrate a central aspect of her faith.

UberJJK said:
@Hoyr - Can we retrofit ships with Repulsors and upgraded (28PSL) FTL drives? Even if we haven't unlocked that level of ship on the tech tree? Because I suddenly want to upgrade the 4th Fleet to cut down on that travel time. With Repulsors it drops to Twelve hours and 28PSL drives down to six.
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I recall saying no before, that's largely what the block upgrades are for anyway. So no. Installing new FTL core on ships with out hyper-modularity is extremely non-trivial. I'm not 100% sure what the reasoning with repulsors was. Probably something like needing to redesign the entire superstructure for the new forces. Or because they're OP enough as it is. Either way no.
 
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@Hoyr: Is the placement of the Alliance Fleet over Mindoir explicitly to protect Revy and the PI Headquarters? Or is there some strategic significance to the system in spite of it being a backwater in the Relay Network?
Also on an unrelated note how many marriage proposals does Revy get?
 
Carrnage said:
Yeah, our technology is a major part of the current alliance military paradigm, and a significant percentage of the galaxy economic paradigm.

on a similar note @Hoyr is water desalination viable on a mass scale?
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This is going to end in one of three things if approved: an utterly devistating weapon, a great humanitarian accomplishment, or most likely both. Quite possibly both at once.
 
Given the tech thrown around in the standard Mass Effect universe, it certainly should be even without the ARC reactor.
 
I get the feeling that people are starting to get slightly sick of my constant yelling about the 'uses of Quantem Link controls' so i'm putting foward the idea of a rough research list. Things that can be put foward and if agreed on and the GM agrees with the item it can be put on the tech tree.

This allso means that things can be seen without having to hunt through the thread for a thing and it can just be linked if people start throwing ideas around.

But i guess this only works if the Tech Tree is flexible and not "THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN RESEARCH ONLY!!!!!"
 
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Almost silly to vote for this when it's overwhelmingly winning but I like the flow of it anyways.

[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.

I seriously do think we need to beef up security on our HQ/Planet though. And get ourselves a private space fleet as well, though Mitigated by having the SA 4th fleet up there. Perhaps setup our own spacebase to help them out with the whole thing too?

I think we had 2 two Pyndas up there for that battle... They rekted the enemies so bad. Imagine if we had more let alone the larger classes of ships.

I'm waiting for the day the PI has it's own Dreadnought if we're allowed. Probably be issues getting one but certainly having more than one would be an issue for sure. Heck Sovereignties have to follow a limit based on the Council races, I'm sure the human limit would count towards us as well, pretty sure companies don't get to flout that limit or have a separate one. Wonder if the SA would allow us to use one of their limit? Probably not.. Or maybe yes?

Let us have one, It will be our prototype test model. And then everything trickles down to the SA Dreadnoughts. And then each one can face multiple reapers in battle unschated.

Of course our one PI Dreadnought will probably be able to take 10 times it's own number out or something... Or more...

Muhahahahah *cackles continue off into madness*
 
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HanEmpire said:
@Hoyr: Is the placement of the Alliance Fleet over Mindoir explicitly to protect Revy and the PI Headquarters? Or is there some strategic significance to the system in spite of it being a backwater in the Relay Network?
Also on an unrelated note how many marriage proposals does Revy get?
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Crazy Tom said:
Revy is the strategic significance. :tongue:
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No doubt about it. hell, just look at the Pyndas that we are making for the Alliance. this 100m FRIGATE class ship can, if I am reading what others have said correctly, have a "not too bad" chances of soloing a fucking DREADNOUGHT made by any other ME species. Frigates are suppose to be the scouts of any space navy in ME universe and we are giving the alliance a frigate-class ship that has enough firepower to punch through other ships WAAAY out of its weight-class.

God knows what the other ME species will think when the Pyndas are finally out there, kicking ass and taking names and these are just the FRIGATES. when we unveil our cruiser equivalent, I can almost guarantee that the council will make the renegotiation of the Treaty of Farixen into top priority in an effort to have some measure of control on how powerful our dreadnought equivalents could have.
 
AbZHz101 said:
This is going to end in one of three things if approved: an utterly devistating weapon, a great humanitarian accomplishment, or most likely both. Quite possibly both at once.
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I've read a story where one of the planet killers is turning a portion of a moons mass into hydrogen and having it react with the oxygen in the atmosphere causing biblical level flooding.
 
shade argost said:
I've read a story where one of the planet killers is turning a portion of a moons mass into hydrogen and having it react with the oxygen in the atmosphere causing biblical level flooding.
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...Yeah that's really unlikely. I'm pretty sure combustion reactions (which are what makes water) need a very specific set of conditions. Dumping a moon's mass in hydrogen into an atmosphere will not produce those conditions under most circumstances.

More likely is the flooding caused by the tides going out of control with the loss of the gravity of the moon.

Though really turning a moon into hydrogen... (ignoring the question of where the extra Nutrons among others go) is more likely to see the gases blown away by solar wind than it is to see them actually hit the atmosphere to ignite. Still got the tidal problem but no (AND THEN WATER!)
 
beingme said:
No doubt about it. hell, just look at the Pyndas that we are making for the Alliance. this 100m FRIGATE class ship can, if I am reading what others have said correctly, have a "not too bad" chances of soloing a fucking DREADNOUGHT made by any other ME species. Frigates are suppose to be the scouts of any space navy in ME universe and we are giving the alliance a frigate-class ship that has enough firepower to punch through other ships WAAAY out of its weight-class.

God knows what the other ME species will think when the Pyndas are finally out there, kicking ass and taking names and these are just the FRIGATES. when we unveil our cruiser equivalent, I can almost guarantee that the council will make the renegotiation of the Treaty of Farixen into top priority in an effort to have some measure of control on how powerful our dreadnought equivalents could have.
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You know, if we play our cards right, we could leverage this renegotiation to Humanity's favor. They want us to continue on as a signatory of the treaty, and we want to have more Dreadnought-equivalents. Could we negotiate a new limit for Humanity that puts us on par with the Council species for Dreadnaught numbers?
Considering that we're planning to deliver clinical immortality, and given what we've accomplished so far, it's not outside the realm of possibility for Humanity to jump a long line and land itself a Council seat anyhow. Granted, it's basically an entire species riding on Revy's coat-tails, but hey - *dons aviator shades* that's how we roll.
 
AbZHz101 said:
...Yeah that's really unlikely. I'm pretty sure combustion reactions (which are what makes water) need a very specific set of conditions. Dumping a moon's mass in hydrogen into an atmosphere will not produce those conditions under most circumstances.

More likely is the flooding caused by the tides going out of control with the loss of the gravity of the moon.

Though really turning a moon into hydrogen... (ignoring the question of where the extra Nutrons among others go) is more likely to see the gases blown away by solar wind than it is to see them actually hit the atmosphere to ignite. Still got the tidal problem but no (AND THEN WATER!)
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Well the weapon is powered by space magic so therefore this is invalid :)
 
Would it be possible to provide a dedicated Spectre and/or STG research building? Would that even work?

Our research facilities use all the fanciest toys, and it'd be a fun game of espionage and counter-espionage to see who can learn whose secret research. It might even allow us to spread technology we'd prefer spread to citidal space without actually making it publicly available or violating SA regulations, while also getting fun bits of tech from other species.

Or it could just be an awful idea. I acknowledge that as a possibility.
 
HanEmpire said:
@Hoyr: Is the placement of the Alliance Fleet over Mindoir explicitly to protect Revy and the PI Headquarters? Or is there some strategic significance to the system in spite of it being a backwater in the Relay Network?
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Nope it's all you. Good job you've put a fair portion of the SA fleet out of position.

HanEmpire said:
Also on an unrelated note how many marriage proposals does Revy get?
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Thank goodness for message filters :)

Carrnage said:
on a similar note @Hoyr is water desalination viable on a mass scale?
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Well since the arc-reactor makes boiling water much easier, I'd say yes. Lots of power makes brute forcing it easier.
 
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