Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

Seems I chose a good time to archive binge this quest.
Decent concept well implemented, for the most part. Never seen a quest that successfully switched authors like this has, my compliments to all involved.


Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.


On a side note: Is it worth trying to massively expand ParSec? While the supply of ex-SA troops just dried up there must be plenty of aliens, particularly Asari, eager to join a merc company that gives them power armour and Batarians to shoot.
 
Once you reach the 30 year mark, it's less the lifetime of the vessel that matters, and more the lifetime of the person. You need to get a certain return of investment on a product, and most people don't want to see their investment finally break even on their deathbed.

If you could invest the money you saved from not buying the ship immediately, and get greater results than the additional expense that lending would be, then nobody would buy.
Hey Revy still has the chance to invent eternal youth so its the opposite if we do choose to go that route :p
 
On a side note: Is it worth trying to massively expand ParSec? While the supply of ex-SA troops just dried up there must be plenty of aliens, particularly Asari, eager to join a merc company that gives them power armour and Batarians to shoot.

I would like to expand ParSec but maybe after the war. Right now all of the extra production will be going to the War Effort. This means that expanding our private army will be a lower priority right now.

We could make something like the Eagle Squadrons with different aliens. It could help our PR for PI and maybe show humans that at least some of the other Citadel races haves humanities back. But if we do it should be funded by Revy as her helping the war effort instead of running it like a merc company.
 
We could make something like the Eagle Squadrons with different aliens. It could help our PR for PI and maybe show humans that at least some of the other Citadel races haves humanities back. But if we do it should be funded by Revy as her helping the war effort instead of running it like a merc company.
Its funny because they don't have our backs, good people in the alien species are the exception not the rule
Their all assholes for the most part and love their red tape oh and their human expressions :turian:
Good people in humanity are neither the exception nor the rule.
So we only half assholes at most
Edit: Also Revy is Human therefore good people in humanity is like 20x higher from her alone
 
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What are you talking about? Of course renting should be cheaper. For example I just looked up what it costs to rent/buy a 2 bedroom apartment in the same building. Renting comes in at $670/week vs $750,000+ to buy. At that rate it would take 21 years for the rent to match the cost, and even longer if you take into account the various costs of ownership included in the rent.

Not sold on this example. One of my friends just got approved for a mortgage and one of the most exciting things (for him) is that his monthly payments are now going to actually be lower month-to-month than when he was paying rent. Not only that, but he gets to move from an apartment in the 'Eeh' side of town to a house in the best part.

In general, renting something should make you more money across something's usable lifespan. The person who's renting wants to make money. Month-to-month it's generally cheaper for the rentee (except there are sometimes a surprising number of perverse incentives introduced by law where it's sometimes not) but the renter always gets their due in the end. Generally, that's done by making sure the good can be rented out to different people long enough over its expected lifespan.

The only reason it works for us to keep the LLP in this case is because the Alliance has set an extremely low rental point. Durable things (like housing) generally rent between 0.5% and 3% a month of the thing's nominal market value, if the rental good has a shorter shelf life, it should come with a higher (relative) rent. Something that's liable to get destroyed is likely to be far, far higher since there's a lot more risk involved for the renter. If you're renting out a car, it's more expensive (relative to the thing's value) since the renter has to take into account not only shorter shelf life and wear and tear, but the chance that some idiot could total it in an accident and force a write off. The Alliance should probably be paying us at least 25% of the LLP's nominal market value a year (potentially quite higher, war ships don't have the greatest lifespan in the middle of a war) since not only does it have a shot lifespan, but it's going to be used in war. Since they're getting an absolute steal on the 'rental' through ParSec, it just doesn't make sense for them to actually buy.

Now's the perfect time for us to up-size ParSec. We don't actually care about our bottom line (Arc Reactors are a license to print money anyway) so we can do the sub-optimal thing and the Alliance won't care. They're in the middle of a war that's going to be costing them boat loads of cash already so who cares if after the war with the xenocidal slavers, they're left dealing with a super-powerful megacorp. All of the personnel running ParSec are ex-Alliance and more loyal to them than us, it gives them a more powerful, loyal and legitimate version of the Corsairs program on someone's dime.
 
Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.
 
Funny, I was thinking the opposite. The military buildup is not going to help us much in staffing ParSec, but the inevitable downshift after the conflict will allow us to pick up Legionnairy trained troops with actual experience pretty easily.
 
Funny, I was thinking the opposite. The military buildup is not going to help us much in staffing ParSec, but the inevitable downshift after the conflict will allow us to pick up Legionnairy trained troops with actual experience pretty easily.
So - train the current troops to include the after war 'surplus'?
Might hire some skilled psychologists. And/or Asari.
 
Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.



also the bigger we get parsec the more/better jobs we could possibly get.
I'd also be inclined to open up general recruitment to Asari and some Turians
 
Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.

The Colony Guarding should free up regular troops, so some brownie points with SA, and of course with the guarded colonies.
 
How much RP do we have gathered?

We might be able to get The Invisible Ship and send a single ship to perform a crippling alpha strike while still guarding our colonies and finishing clean up.

I'm just wondering if it would be worth it. (Although, The SA could do the same with some N# troops, if we were so inclined...)

Also, yes, hiring aliens to help defend our colonies could probably increase their goodwill, but it would also anger Terra Firma...

Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.
 
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Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.
 
Funny, I was thinking the opposite. The military buildup is not going to help us much in staffing ParSec, but the inevitable downshift after the conflict will allow us to pick up Legionnairy trained troops with actual experience pretty easily.

It's not them that we'd build up now; we should be focused on increasing out number of LLP.

Scene takes place in an Alliance recruitment center:

Captain Recruiter: Hello Mr. Johnson, I wish we could be meeting again on better circumstances.

Former Sargent Johnson: I don't think anyone wants to wake up to a call from the army about the xeno's getting ambitious... sir.

Captain Recruiter: I understand. Believe me. Given that Sol itself is under threat, we're pulling out all the stops. That little clause in your contact that you'll be available for service in the event you're called up again? Consider it reactivated. For everyone. Humanity's gonna be in for a slog, but we've got a lot of nifty toys to entertain the enemy.

Former Sargent Johnson: Fight of their lives, sir. They're dyin' for it.

Captain Recruiter: Damn straight. I'll be forwarding an itinerary for you soon; the jist is that you'll be ordered to present yourself in seven days to Fort Charleston for remedial training. You've only been out of the service for eighteen months but we'll need to re-familiarize you with modern starship maintenance before you can get deployed to the field. You're not in a protected class so you'd better be there.

Former Sargent Johnson: ....Protected class, sir?

Captain Recruiter: Occupations deemed vital to the war effort. Scientists, farmers; people whose jobs need doing, essentially. Among other exceptions, like ParSec.

Former Sargent Johnson: Sir?

Captain Recruiter: The flyboys with all the cool toys, Paragon Industries' merc outfit. Heh, not that I can complain. The get good wages, compensation and other arrangements, but the top brass has got them fighting for us. Each and every man and woman will be serving the Alliance as a whole from the inside of a Legionary or Paragon's new wonder weapon, the Lite Laser Pydna.

Former Sargent Johnson: I haven't heard of them, sir.

Captain Recruiter: Understandable. They were the ones responsible for smashing the slavers on Anhur and obliterating the strike-force sent to Mindoir. Give their experience in anti-slavery, planetary invasion, high tech warfare and LLP technology, they're gonna be the tip of the spear. Unfortunately, I'll have to cut this short. I have a lot of people to see today. Remember, Fort Charleston in seven days unless you're a member of a protected class? Understood?

Former Sargent Johnson: .... I think I do, sir.


If the Alliance wants to game the contact, it'd be easy for them. Redirect people they're reactivating to us and they can easily balloon the numbers of Pydna's that ParSec has, ships that are very, very cheap for them and at their direct beck and call.

The cost of our Pydnas to buy is going to be in the hundreds of billions of credits per quarter. Then they're going to have to train people, pay wages, reactive old soldiers, fighting a war is very expensive. They're looking at trillions in ship procurement just from us this year alone. Given the fact that the LLP's going to be ours, they don't care nearly as much if they're destroyed. The Alliance won't even have to pay death benefits for those soldiers killed in ParSec, we will and we're very generous will salary and benefits. They probably won't trust us with all of the LLP, but if they can defray the costs even a bit then it's going to go a very long distance to keeping them under budget. An LLP assigned to ParSec instead of bought outright allows them to afford hundreds of extra Legionaries, an enormous force on its own. A contract to keep on and then buy second hand more LLP after the war (when the Alliance can afford it) would likely make them even more willing.

As long as we indicate that we're willing to help them through that legal fiction, they can easily direct people towards us as long as they're careful with the people they reactive for service (or those they order to retire and then work for us). The only question is how much do we want this to cost us as a business? We have no shareholders, but there's an opportunity cost associated with not charging the Alliance out the nose. Money grows exponentially for us so a small hit now translates to a big loss later.
 
Once you reach the 30 year mark, it's less the lifetime of the vessel that matters, and more the lifetime of the person. You need to get a certain return of investment on a product, and most people don't want to see their investment finally break even on their deathbed.

If you could invest the money you saved from not buying the ship immediately, and get greater results than the additional expense that lending would be, then nobody would buy.
@Redium already touched on what I'm about to, and forgot to include in my early post, say but the real problem is:
The SA has agreed to pay a 20% profit on costs.
The cost of maintaining a Pynda is quite low, probably because PI super tech, so costs plus 20% is a pretty terrible offer. It's also one we kinda have no choice to accept since governments generally don't appreciate you telling them no.

Not sold on this example. One of my friends just got approved for a mortgage and one of the most exciting things (for him) is that his monthly payments are now going to actually be lower month-to-month than when he was paying rent. Not only that, but he gets to move from an apartment in the 'Eeh' side of town to a house in the best part.
First off congratulations to your friend. Secondly of course the monthly payments are lower. Most renters don't buy property outright, hurray for the power of leverage, so the rent is going to be their monthly repayments and a decent profit margin atop.

Furthermore my example had nothing to do with loans. It was simply used to demonstrate that in the short, for a certain definition of short, run renting is cheaper then straight up purchasing.

In general, renting something should make you more money across something's usable lifespan. The person who's renting wants to make money. Month-to-month it's generally cheaper for the rentee (except there are sometimes a surprising number of perverse incentives introduced by law where it's sometimes not) but the renter always gets their due in the end. Generally, that's done by making sure the good can be rented out to different people long enough over its expected lifespan.
And? My point wasn't about the long, for a certain definition, term. It was about how renting should be cheaper then outright buying for a number of years.

Incidentally that 21 year figure while somewhat unrealistic would return a profit in the usable lifetime. Property is generally treated as having a lifetime of 40 years. Over that period of time you'd get 185% your initial investment.

The only reason it works for us to keep the LLP in this case is because the Alliance has set an extremely low rental point.
This I 100% agree with. I forgot to include it in my previous post by the Alliance gave us a pretty crappy deal. But then we're fortunate PI is powerful enough they couldn't afford to just seize them for reasons of national security.

Durable things (like housing) generally rent between 0.5% and 3% a month of the thing's nominal market value, if the rental good has a shorter shelf life, it should come with a higher (relative) rent.
For reference those come out to 181.5 million and 1 billion credits per month respectively. In the more standard quarterly terms that is 544.5 million and 3 billion.

Something that's liable to get destroyed is likely to be far, far higher since there's a lot more risk involved for the renter.
Eh. I suppose it depends upon what you define as cost. Seems quite reasonable to me that if they break it they buy it. IE: they'd owe us the full market value.

The Alliance should probably be paying us at least 25% of the LLP's nominal market value a year (potentially quite higher, war ships don't have the greatest lifespan in the middle of a war) since not only does it have a shot lifespan, but it's going to be used in war. Since they're getting an absolute steal on the 'rental' through ParSec, it just doesn't make sense for them to actually buy.
25% per year on a quarterly basis comes out to 2.2 billion credits

As to the buying bit; it does make sense for them to buy. The Alliance is going to want a fleet full of LLPs going forwards and there is no way they could justify just rental prices, which in all honestly are just a token amount, during peacetime. Furthermore they can't afford for ParSec to build up a fleet of LLPs and not do so as well since that would shift the balance of military power in the Alliance away from the government and towards a private entity.

So they are absolutely going to want to buy masses of LLPs. The whole point of this discussion was never about convincing them not to do so. It was about providing a justification for why they would accept Revy siphoning off a portion of her production of Pynda's towards ParSec.

Now's the perfect time for us to up-size ParSec. We don't actually care about our bottom line (Arc Reactors are a license to print money anyway) so we can do the sub-optimal thing and the Alliance won't care.
Just to be clear our bottom line is important here. We're currently at the critical point where exponential growth in production, and hence income, starts to kick into high gear. So having money to blow on increased production, we're talking about investing trillions of credits here, is important.

They're in the middle of a war that's going to be costing them boat loads of cash already so who cares if after the war with the xenocidal slavers, they're left dealing with a super-powerful megacorp.
One of the great things about the LLP, and why the Alliance wants all they can get their hands on, is they are crazy cheap. Your normal military frigate costs 46.3 billion just to build and usually retails for 55.5 billion credits. The LLP meanwhile retails for 10 billion less then a normal frigates production cost. Oh and is better in literally every way.

So we are going to be saving the Alliance oodles of money since they are so much cheaper and yet so much more effective then normal frigates.

All of the personnel running ParSec are ex-Alliance and more loyal to them than us, it gives them a more powerful, loyal and legitimate version of the Corsairs program on someone's dime.
You raise another good point on why they'd accept siphoning off some LLP production towards ParSec. Although it does bare noting that ParSec is very openly and heavily connected to the Alliance so it doesn't entirely fit the Corsairs program since one of the big things there was that they were deniable.
 
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.
 
If the Alliance wants to game the contact, it'd be easy for them. Redirect people they're reactivating to us and they can easily balloon the numbers of Pydna's that ParSec has, ships that are very, very cheap for them and at their direct beck and call.
Where's the clause that states 'ParSec has to hire any and all applicants'?
 
Hello! Morality calling. Just wanted to check in and see if you were okay.

Ugh, you again. I thought we'd said everything that needed saying. Stop calling me at work!

Slamu isn't, but most of us are.

Flatterer.

I do agree that we should, as CEO of Paragon Security, protect the underprotected colonies with our supersoldiers. However I'm also interested in raiding the Batarians. How much cooperation could we, as a private (if affluent) citizen, get from Eclipse in hitting the Batarian rear and wrecking their war economy by rescuing slaves, sabotaging fleet bases, etc? It doesn't need to be done en masse, but every ship the Batarians have to put on anti-piracy detail in their own back yard is another ship that is on wartime footing but not at the front. Plus, rescued slaves might be given the option to be dropped on other worlds with crates of military surplus equipment and given free reign to stir up some civil discontent, requiring additional redirection of military resources when the humans are already in the ascendancy and the Hegemony's sneak-attack failed. Even unsuccessful slave revolts are scary things for slavers, and I doubt the Batarians have engendered much in the way of gratitude from their underclasses.

Alternatively, Project: Renegade as a black-ops program run by a megacorporation with the support and cooperation of the Systems Alliance military to conduct Righteous Face-Punching in slaving scum's living rooms. Basically the same as above, but keeping everything as in-house as we can make it.

Krogan Science Council is pretty careful about weapons projects though.

Understandable. What sort of science do they prefer? Purely theoretical work, something 'pacifistic' like medicine, or something that makes everyone else in the galaxy really really nervous, like medicine?

Really expensive and not at all guaranteed attempt to get a Research Hero? Sure go ahead. :)

So...what are our chances of getting some RP out of it at least? Middling?
 
I do agree that we should, as CEO of Paragon Security, protect the underprotected colonies with our supersoldiers. However I'm also interested in raiding the Batarians. How much cooperation could we, as a private (if affluent) citizen, get from Eclipse in hitting the Batarian rear and wrecking their war economy by rescuing slaves, sabotaging fleet bases, etc? It doesn't need to be done en masse, but every ship the Batarians have to put on anti-piracy detail in their own back yard is another ship that is on wartime footing but not at the front. Plus, rescued slaves might be given the option to be dropped on other worlds with crates of military surplus equipment and given free reign to stir up some civil discontent, requiring additional redirection of military resources when the humans are already in the ascendancy and the Hegemony's sneak-attack failed. Even unsuccessful slave revolts are scary things for slavers, and I doubt the Batarians have engendered much in the way of gratitude from their underclasses.

Alternatively, Project: Renegade as a black-ops program run by a megacorporation with the support and cooperation of the Systems Alliance military to conduct Righteous Face-Punching in slaving scum's living rooms. Basically the same as above, but keeping everything as in-house as we can make it.
Sounds interesting, but what do you think happens to our image if we do that? And what will STG find out? How will a private MegaCorp raiding (Ex)Council members be received? What happens if we go gallivanting around and colonies suffer we could have protected? You can spin all of that with a careful campaign, but I think it needs to be addressed before doing it.
 
The cost of maintaining a Pynda is quite low, probably because PI super tech, so costs plus 20% is a pretty terrible offer. It's also one we kinda have no choice to accept since governments generally don't appreciate you telling them no.


Well, it's only as terrible as we make it. See, they made the error of giving a variable fee, that increases the more money we spend on maintenance. So, you know, maybe we should give the ships a gold paintjob. Real gold, not a foil layer . Maybe diamond insets too.
 
Well, it's only as terrible as we make it. See, they made the error of giving a variable fee, that increases the more money we spend on maintenance. So, you know, maybe we should give the ships a gold paintjob. Real gold, not a foil layer . Maybe diamond insets too.
Yeah, but that would be a dick move, and I get the impression that Revy isn't a dick to anywhere near that degree.
 
Yeah, but that would be a dick move, and I get the impression that Revy isn't a dick to anywhere near that degree.
SA is currently fighting the Batarian slavers. Remind me - how did the quest start again? If I don't mix up my quests, it would be totally in character to supply all SA assets without making profit.
 
Sounds interesting, but what do you think happens to our image if we do that? And what will STG find out? How will a private MegaCorp raiding (Ex)Council members be received? What happens if we go gallivanting around and colonies suffer we could have protected? You can spin all of that with a careful campaign, but I think it needs to be addressed before doing it.

Paragon Industries is helping the war effort by protecting otherwise defenseless colonies by sending their power-armor equipped supersoldiers there to be studly and amazing. Private citizen Revy Shepherd is helping the war effort by rescuing slaves from their oppressors and bankrolling guerrilla action against the Hegemony. Dr. Shepherd is helping the war effort by using her prodigious mental energy into cracking the Batarian cypher recovered from the nefarious attack. I don't see why deniability should play a role here.

In fact, now that I'm turning the idea over in my head, why not contract a 'newly created' mercenary group using surplus equipment from, say, the Turian Hierarchy. An old warship or upgunned freighter, your average Terminus Special really, filled with bright-eyed privateers out to raid Batarian worlds and, in accordance with their letters of marque, deny or subvert their war-making capability. Private Turian, Asari and (maybe?) Hanar citizens playing by the Hegemony's own rules ("raiding a planet is okay") and returning the longsuffering slaves to their families and homes...

...I am thinking about the mechanics of making a mercenary non-profit now. Anyone have some ideas on how we could make that work without just bankrolling do-gooders out of our own pocket?

Also, I'm assuming that the STG is going to know about anything we do, if only the generalities, unless we take particular effort to hide it (and then they'll still probably have some educated guesses).
 
Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.
 
Okay, I finally read the entire quest (except the parts that I skimmed), after the banner reminded me that it's still a thing. I am officially bat shit insane.

Anhur Clean Up:
[X] Stay (Low Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] One-third of forces stay (~25% of total ground forces) 224 Million

Systems Alliance Contract:
[X] Just the Pyndas (High Risk, 20% Costs as Profit)

Colony Guarding:
[X] Guard Colonies (Medium Risk, Medium Profit)
-[X] Deploy Three-Quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 1.125 billion/quarter.

It'd probably be best to avoid the raid. Don't want to risk picking up samples of their Reapertech - the mysterious mech operator who is probably a Reaper wants us alive to convert into a transhuman of some sort, but they might not be in control of the indoctrination fields or able to use them carefully enough to avoid degrading our intelligence.
 
@deniability: I didn't talk about deniability, I talked about preparing a campaign to spin it like you did. For example, with live footage, comments etc.
@mercenaries: What can we offer that money cannot buy? (and that doesn't put us on the SA shit list) How about technology, connections (education for relatives), ...
@STG: Yes, and that means we should think how to spin it to Citadel assuming they know what we did. I'd like not to be on the 'remove when deniable' list as being to dangerous. And therefore also to think about what to do.
This Batarian war is an opportunity - we should decide what we most want and try to calculate the impact, from freed slaves to protected colonies to public image.
 
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