Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
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Chargone
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And yet they have the only good mech in ME 1 and 2. Every other mech, many of which Aren't Geth, is massively worse. (also, the hovertank in ME2 is aweful, for entirely different reasons. just saying.)No, we only sell arc-reactors, per agreement with citadel - it's not even to them directly. IRRC we even get away with minimal number - or at least did at the begging. I'm not sure we fine-control what of the free production goes to which market, but it seems to me that our sales representative in centered on Alliance.
It's Geth, they have weird fetishes. Plus they don't seem to understand how wheels work. Also their design philosophy is "if it worked during morning war, it will now". Have you seen their fighters?
It's like "what are half of the parts for?".
But yeah, Geth ship design is Weird. Like... who designs a ship around the idea that it might, someday, maybe have reason to cling to the side of a very tall building not at all designed to accomodate it? (see ME1, where a large chunk of one planet is breaking said ship so it falls off. While there are things that imply an answer, you're never actually told why it falls rather than flying.)
Carrnage
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Huh, instead of servos and hydraulics, fibres and cords attached to a durable rigid-but-articulated frame?
biggest problem would be the the structural integrity of what they're standing on, and 5 Metre's is tiny we're talking sizes that animals have reached on earth, hell there have been ape's that are 3 metres high and they're using mundane bones and muscle.
depends on the lifespan you want, humans can last on average about 15 years (which iirc includes high infant mortality) in tribal settings with very little medical care and whatever's on hand for food.
elephants are also built out of dust and water.
Are you implying wheels don't scale? since that's about the only common technical figure between a sedan and hotwheels, besides a metal frame that is.
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Err aren't those polymer's created by lathe sized machine that's fully programmable?
these are assertions we already have computers that can react faster and finer than a human it stands to reason that a mech would be capable of doing both of these.
i thought we were building an articulated biped, not a tank on stilts, when finished i fully expect this mech to be able to stand on one leg, run, and jump.
seems like they use artificial muscle fibres.
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Dark Ness
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Okay, fine, mechs can work, but how is it better then a repulser tank in combat? Why would we build them instead of tanks?
And for civilian applications, why would anyone use a combat, expensive, mech for construction and stuff? If we want something for construction, why not just build something for construction? "It could be used for civilian applications" is not a good argument for a military weapon, because the vast majority of sales will be to the military, who aren't using for civilian applications. And no civilian, if they aren't being ridiculous inefficient, is going to buy a combat machine to do construction or some such. It just isn't cost efficient to buy a complex piece of military hardware, and then use it for a civy application instead of buying something designed for that purpose.
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Carrnage
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so we build/design it with construction in mind.
Legionaries are useful for urban combat because you can pretty much get them into any space a regular human can get into. If it wasn't for that critical advantage--for example, if your powered armor was 15 feet tall--then the added complexities associated with a power armor become too great to bother with.
Carrnage
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IIRC they're just too tall and broad to fit through most doorways.
Chargone
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Problem with flying/hovering tanks: recoil, and the effects of being hit on your location. You can, of course, compensate with More Power, but... that's power you're not using for, say, shields. (gunships have the same issue, but, generally, more mobility and less armour...)
Carrnage
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also too much power to compensate with nearby friendlies and they could get hit by the exhaust.
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First, how exactly is that relevant? That is a military construction vehicale, designed for construction and combat, being used by the military. Not the same as taking something designed solely for combat, and buying it in order to make it a construction machine.
so we build/design it with construction in mind.
Second, why? Why build a piloted mach instead of, I don't know, a remote controlled construction drone? Why is an expensive, complicated mach nessacart for the job of construction?
And that isn't a problem with Mechs? They have to deal with recoil and being hit as well.
Carrnage
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...so we write up another variant, we are talking about researching vehicle types not designed a single variant.
Who said we wouldn't build unmanned variants?
depends on their stance.
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No. Recoil is a thing always, and so is enemy fire of you are in combat. Maybe a stance could reduce recoil and impact, but it still needs to be compensated for, which requires power. Just like a tank
What I want to know is, why build mechs instead of tanks? What can a mecha do that a tank can't, for cheaper?
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except different stances distribute the force in different ways you can see this in humans.
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Our everything flies.
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Mecha=/= humans.
That are shaped like humans, but they do NOT work the same way.
Also, our tanks fly.
Carrnage
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depends how it's made, as long as it's got a knee joint that can bend about 90 degrees though the same principle should work.
then what's the problem with mechas then?
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There is no point, they aren't pratical. Just about everything they can do, a tank can do just as well, or better.
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They add a bunch of points of failure to machinery intended to be rugged, which offends my design sensibilities. There's no way for them to match the claims you've made while reducing the points of failure, except to basically make other vehicles and tack extra limbs on to make it a mecha.
Even the "large shovel" you mentioned a mecha using for construction would be an engineering project on its own to be something that can just be "picked up".
Well, unless you meant something like giving it a backhoe for an arm, in which case we're better off just attaching the same thing to a better chassis - which is basically the general problem with all your examples. We can do the same thing better if we just drop the mecha aspect.
Or a different vehicle designed for the purpose of construction.
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Because mechas are 20% awesome and 80% impractical and useless. Consider all the moving parts in a mech:
- Hands and arms - basically the only awesome parts of a mech, this is where all of the versatility comes from. We can duplicate all of this functionality by designing an articulating arm that can mount to a UHP.
- Head and neck - Why? Why would you ever need a head or neck on a mech? They're important on biological organisms because complex sensory organs like eyes and ears need to be close to the CPU to aid in processing, but in a mech it's just one giant single point of failure.
- Counter-rotating shoulders and hips - Again, why? The kinds of linkages you need to set up counter-rotating shoulders and hips are fairly straightforward and very useful for biological organisms, but for mechanical organisms it's both impractical and overly complex.
- Legs - An incredibly dumb thing to put on a vehicle, the only reason you see these in biology is because biology can't make treads and wheels. Legs raise your center of gravity far more than necessary for the amount of locomotion they provide, making your mech a bigger target than necessary.
- Feet - Another horrible idea that only works for biology because it's never figured out anything better. Horrible contact patch size, wear out quickly, poorly balanced.
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whats a MEC trooper?
Carrnage
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Err i was planning on mecha's being humanoids maybe other forms of bipeds as well.
err i never mentioned a shovel it should be able to use it's arms pretty effectively.
I haven't seen any working bulldozer/cranes/diggers.
vehicles.
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actually flagella is a biological wheel.
they also allow you to shift your centre of gravity on demand and play with inertia more.
head would probably have the sensor package but what makes you think that the CPU wouldn't be part of the cockpit?
we could probably change the designs of feet to something better, current human feet haven't completely adapted for bipedal life IIRC.
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