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No, Each N-rank means you have completed that number of training courses. N-5 is a full badass rank, though not quite as awesome as N-6 or N-7
Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
- Thread starter Hoyr
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Since ParSec is going to be a major part of our public identity, we should make sure the service they provide reflects well on us. Right now, ParSec is a merc company, and our contracts are "you pay us and we'll shoot or guard who you want". That's the same as what the Blue Suns do, and we don't want to be placed in the same category as the Blue Suns. It's bad for our image and might get us into a rivalry we have no time for.
I'd like to change ParSec to act more like a insurance/rescue service. ParSec will upgrade the defenses for whoever contracts us. In the event of an emergency, ParSec forces held in reserve will flood in and get everybody out of the danger zone. This ties into why PI was created in the first place: helping local armed forces protect colonies against threats they can't handle alone. That's why I think we should invest in more rapid-response hardware, like troop transports and medical staff. In the mean-time, we could gather a fleet of on-call volunteer ship captains, to help with evacuations dunkirk-style.
Of course, we need to make a profit to survive, so we'll need to take some high-paying missions too.
But the political situation right now dictates that we concentrate on Anhur. Since we aren't getting much money from that anyway, let's waive (edit: most) of the fee.
[X] Deploy to Anhur (Medium to Extreme Risk, Low Profit).
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
-[X] Actually, let's do this At-Cost for zero profit.
[X] Take Strike Missions (Medium to High Risk, High Profit).
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 1d10 billion in profit.
About The-Kid-Who's-Maybe-Jack: I think we should direct our press release AT Maybe-Jack. Instead of sending a team to capture her, tell her that With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility, and that we want to talk with her since she's borrowing our power and not getting the responsibility part right. Then tell her where and when she can find us on Omega. Let her come to us. It might not work, but it'll look good. How she responds might also tell us whether she's got an active, rogue or escaped agent.
I'd like to change ParSec to act more like a insurance/rescue service. ParSec will upgrade the defenses for whoever contracts us. In the event of an emergency, ParSec forces held in reserve will flood in and get everybody out of the danger zone. This ties into why PI was created in the first place: helping local armed forces protect colonies against threats they can't handle alone. That's why I think we should invest in more rapid-response hardware, like troop transports and medical staff. In the mean-time, we could gather a fleet of on-call volunteer ship captains, to help with evacuations dunkirk-style.
Of course, we need to make a profit to survive, so we'll need to take some high-paying missions too.
But the political situation right now dictates that we concentrate on Anhur. Since we aren't getting much money from that anyway, let's waive (edit: most) of the fee.
[X] Deploy to Anhur (Medium to Extreme Risk, Low Profit).
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
-[X] Actually, let's do this At-Cost for zero profit.
[X] Take Strike Missions (Medium to High Risk, High Profit).
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 1d10 billion in profit.
About The-Kid-Who's-Maybe-Jack: I think we should direct our press release AT Maybe-Jack. Instead of sending a team to capture her, tell her that With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility, and that we want to talk with her since she's borrowing our power and not getting the responsibility part right. Then tell her where and when she can find us on Omega. Let her come to us. It might not work, but it'll look good. How she responds might also tell us whether she's got an active, rogue or escaped agent.
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Carrnage
Human
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- New Zealand
Codex/Humanity and the Systems Alliance
N6 is the stage in the training were a trainee deploys to actual hot operations around the galaxy N1 through N5 is just how far the got through the ICT academy and N7 is when they're considered fully trained.
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- America
Well, the Ns go all the way from 1 to 7. Candidates for "N-school" are chosen from finest cadets from all over the Systems Alliance. They are literally some of the finest examples of humanity that have ever existed. There is no shame in failing to get to N1, even qualifying for it is a mark of universal prestige. People who have attained the rank of N1 are certifiably totally badass and are treated with extreme respect.
Mom is an N5. She would be able to take on a Navy SEAL squad after breakfast and be back by lunch.
[X] Deploy to Anhur (Medium to Extreme Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
[X] War Games (No Risk, Negative Profit)
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 22 million lost.
On the subject of Jack:
1) Track Magi Implant. Assuming it's not an analogue made by Cerberus, it should be trackable, even if only by process of elimination (track all others first)
2) Publicly announce that we are willing to help the girl, who clearly suffered a lot. Urge her to come in, if not to us, then to, say, hanar government (arrange this with said government).
3) Create an account with, say, fifty million credits in it, set to be accessed by a person with Jack's magi implant (trackable of course). Make this account widely known.
4) Make a statement that unwilling human experimentation, especially on children, is barbaric, idiotic, counter-productive, and inherently pointless.
5) Get L2s we helped to speak out on our behalf, tell their stories and to urge the girl to come in
6) Arrange for non-human (or at least not exclusively human) bodyguards and transportation Jack could call in if needed. Make it known that she could call them.
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
[X] War Games (No Risk, Negative Profit)
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 22 million lost.
On the subject of Jack:
1) Track Magi Implant. Assuming it's not an analogue made by Cerberus, it should be trackable, even if only by process of elimination (track all others first)
2) Publicly announce that we are willing to help the girl, who clearly suffered a lot. Urge her to come in, if not to us, then to, say, hanar government (arrange this with said government).
3) Create an account with, say, fifty million credits in it, set to be accessed by a person with Jack's magi implant (trackable of course). Make this account widely known.
4) Make a statement that unwilling human experimentation, especially on children, is barbaric, idiotic, counter-productive, and inherently pointless.
5) Get L2s we helped to speak out on our behalf, tell their stories and to urge the girl to come in
6) Arrange for non-human (or at least not exclusively human) bodyguards and transportation Jack could call in if needed. Make it known that she could call them.
HanEmpire
Delicious
[X] Deploy to Anhur (Medium to Extreme Risk, Low Profit).
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
-[X] Actually, let's do this At-Cost for zero profit.
[X] Take Strike Missions (Medium to High Risk, High Profit).
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 1d10 billion in profit.
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
-[X] Actually, let's do this At-Cost for zero profit.
[X] Take Strike Missions (Medium to High Risk, High Profit).
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 1d10 billion in profit.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
this seems like a terrible idea, i get you're trying to get a likely runaway to trust us but there's too many downsides.
Well update maker 50 I was intending to do an interlude. I was going to do a survey/vote and then pick which ever one suited me.
The 1.75b is produced only by PI and in accordance with its agreement with HK is not sold. Some oft he improvements in the 1.75b are used in HK's production models. ParSec and PI security forces all use 1.75b's.
I don't see why not.
Mom's the only one that I recall that did N training. I have it in my head that Revy's dad was an engineer.
Those being? The number is arguable, and it's not like we care about such amount of money, despite how much it is for Jack. Fraud (someone else accessing it, and/or this putting a bounty on Jack's head) can be worked around.
Alternatively, make a charity for Jack and other victims of sapient (and especially child) experimentation. Very public charity.
These are the kind of unfeeling money-centric solutions only adults would like. Jack's a kid, so we should approach her the kid-friendly way, by showing her how great our job and our team is, and telling her we want her to join us, because we want to share the fun.
It's risky, but maybe we could send Kasumi to talk to her?
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
funding a potentially dangerous person, the backlash from the perception of us funding a dangerous person.
[X] Deploy to Anhur (Medium to Extreme Risk, Low Profit)
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
[X] War Games (No Risk, Negative Profit)
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 22 million lost.
-[X] Deploy three quarters (75%) of ParSec's forces 252 Million/quarter.
[X] War Games (No Risk, Negative Profit)
-[X] Deploy One Quarter (25%) of ParSec's forces 22 million lost.
That transport can kite anything in the galaxy, thanks to our Repulsor retrofits. Moreover, our fighters are easily capable of destroying several frigates, probably even a heavy cruiser-backed wolfpack, thanks to our tech (especially the anti-ship missiles+improved warhead tech-backed missiles we have loaded them with). What they won't be able to take is a full-on Batarian invasion fleet; that's what the SA's 2nd fleet is for.
Only problem with that:
Maybe instead we just make a free first class ticket to Mindoir available to a person with Jack's specific implant? We're not offering her a bribe; we're offering her sanctuary, even a home, eventually a job as a biotics teacher or, if she wants, she never has to use biotics again and study botany or something. The point is that we want to help her, not use her or pay her off.
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Carrnage
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- New Zealand
Assuming she is a runaway and she's been at it a while she'll want to be safe but also she'll get very nervous when she doesn't have control of the situation.
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- Brazil
ParSec is a PMC, that is an eufemism for mercenary. Doing shit for free is exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to do, and worst of all, sets a terrible precedent.
Some might even say it's just an excuse to have a private army. Which it actually is, but no one can actually say it to our face or make a fuss, because we have legitimacy. That's why it's called a PMC and not a merc group like, say, Blue Suns.
We have the single most powerful PMC in the galaxy, and like all our products, it comes at a price. Anhur is perfect for showing that.
Let me quote Revy, all the way back to the power armor contest:
"Expensive? Yes. I just happen to think it is worth it."
That's pretty much PI's "Winter Is Coming".
We already run a charity, and it is neither PI nor ParSec.
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That's true, but we can't let make her own decisions either, that'd probably end up with her killing more people and us with bad publicity. We need to: 1. Assess the situation (is she working for someone?), 2. Try to make contact and 3. Convince her she'd be better off coming with us.
It's a good bet she won't change what she's doing until somebody goes and talks to her, no matter how much money or safety she's offered. Corporate/Charity offers of money and safety are not trustworthy.
I was more concerned that our forces wouldn't be enough, and the extra money would allow the abolitionists to hire other mercs, but I do see where you're coming from.
I'll change my vote if you give an alternate plan that allows a greater chance of victory.
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Carrnage
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- New Zealand
actually mercenaries are those who have no loyalties or ties to anything but money, and will fight on either side of any war as long as they get paid, it's generally a slur to refer to PMC's as mercenarues
Chargone
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Humm...
All the military options have unpleasent risk/reward ratios.
Then again, they're all military options.
Not entirely sure i get what's going on with modular building beyond a need for... what, disclaimers and safty standards?
Edit: oh, right, i started reading that Before i went to sleep...
All the military options have unpleasent risk/reward ratios.
Then again, they're all military options.
Not entirely sure i get what's going on with modular building beyond a need for... what, disclaimers and safty standards?
Edit: oh, right, i started reading that Before i went to sleep...
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Ok, so, I can start with these. The question is "how much power is needed to achieve FTL of a given speed?", right? I am not mistaken here, am I? So, first several assumptions:
1) "amount of eezo and power increase exponentially with the mass affected and the top speed" - I'll interpret it like this: a given current (total charged particle flux) will generate a given K (ME coefficient) in any sufficient amount of eezo. Ie if you pump 1 A of current into 1 kg of eezo, the effect will be the same as if you pumped it into 10 kg of eezo. Secondly, I'll say that eezo has "saturation stage" ie you can't pump more than a given amount of current into a given amount of eezo (it'll either overheat, or won't produce stronger field or will discharge immediately, etc). Thus, I'll say that the total amount of power is proportional to the amount of eezo in the core. This also means that, basically, costs are linearly dependant on the total power.
2) For the sake of the first approximation, I won't account for potentially different discharge rates (ie that a larger core generating the same effect as a smaller core will discharge less frequently) - I'll do this a little bit later
3) I'll assume a fighter to be around 5 meters long and having the cruising speed of 5 light years per day - it's not like they need more, and you put this as a basic low limit of speed, and it's a reasonable one
4) I'll assume all ships to be proportional to each other, so M~L^3
5) I'll completely divest the total sublight top speed from the power of the eezo core. Ie I'll say that the engines and the eezo core reactor are two separate systems. And it makes sense, as in the engines you need high energy particle generation (high momentum), and in the core you need high currents, but low energy particles.
6) I'll use the numbers from my paper for C and K. Meaning that the average travelling speed V=C_int/20=C/sqrt(K)/20. Meaning that K=(20*V/C)^2
The formula I am going to be fitting with the data we have is going to be like this
W(M,K)=C1*exp(C2*(abs(K)-1)+C3'*M)
W(L,V)=C1*exp(C2*((20*V/C)^2-1)+C3*L^3)
This gives me three variables to play with. That's quite a lot, really. Substituting cost for power, I have the following data points:
| Cost, millions | Speed, LY/day=365.25*C | Size, meters |
| 6*10^4 | 15 | 135 |
| 10 | 5 | 5 |
| 28*10^6 | 15 | 1000 |
Cost(L,V) [millions]=3.377*exp(0.0434*((V[LY/day])2-1.87*10-8)+6.16*(L[m]/1000)3)
Now, let's stress test this thing, ok?
First, let's check how civilian (5 light years per day) vessels compare to military ones (15 LY/day). And the result is they are 5884 times cheaper. Which is pretty damn close to your stated goal of 5000 times cost reduction.
What is the cost of a 2 kilometer long military vessel? Prohibitively expensive standing at an astronomic 1.5*1026 millions of credits. Meaning that no economy can handle those, and, at those scales, you either take severe speed reduction, or you optimize mass a lot or you figure out better technologies.
What is a cost of a Reaper, 2 km long and 30 LY per day fast? 7.8*1038 millions of credits. Again, I sorta kinda see why they make so few of those per cycle, even accounting for completely different logistics and economics and superior technology.
Now, please keep in mind that this is a first approximation preliminary analysis. With comments and feedback it's going to be revised a lot. I certainly am going to include discharge times (probably reversely proportional to the size of the core) at least. Other factors too (point me to them).
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That works. But maybe not Mindoir only? Say, Mindoir, Thessia, Hanar homeworld, Earth (Washington, Moscow, London, Tokyo spaceports of her choice). To give her a choice.
Also, we should a team with our asari commando in it, I think. Jack might be mistrustful of humans.
@Hoyr do we deal with Jack this turn / this vote? Because I propose the following:
[] Dealing with the super biotic girl
--[] Post an open bounty on anyone who harms the girl
--[] Post a bounty on the information about the girl
--[] Buy first class tickets for the girl to take her to either Mindoir or Earth or Thessia or Hanar homeworld
--[] Negotiate with Aria to send a team to Omega to talk with the girl
--[] Start a charity for victims of human experimentation
--[] Track her magi implant and see how it got to her
--[] Make a public announcement addressing the girl, asking her to come to safety, either to you or someone else reputable, and that you are willing to throw full weight of PI to help her. Decry non-voluntary human experimentation as barbaric, counter productive, stupid and something you'll never do
Because we need to show people that this is not how we do things. That it is idiotic, and leads to the base being taken over and all scientists dead.
[] Dealing with the super biotic girl
--[] Post an open bounty on anyone who harms the girl
--[] Post a bounty on the information about the girl
--[] Buy first class tickets for the girl to take her to either Mindoir or Earth or Thessia or Hanar homeworld
--[] Negotiate with Aria to send a team to Omega to talk with the girl
--[] Start a charity for victims of human experimentation
--[] Track her magi implant and see how it got to her
--[] Make a public announcement addressing the girl, asking her to come to safety, either to you or someone else reputable, and that you are willing to throw full weight of PI to help her. Decry non-voluntary human experimentation as barbaric, counter productive, stupid and something you'll never do
Because we need to show people that this is not how we do things. That it is idiotic, and leads to the base being taken over and all scientists dead.
If she decides to be "in the wind" then that's her choice; if she does, then we don't want to be associated with her, not in the way a free expense account or free transport anywhere in the galaxy would do so.
If we do send a ParSec team after her, then yes, but I'm not sure that's the best idea.
Would she know where any of those places are, let alone that they're safer places than Omega? Remember, canon!Jack thought the whole world was two rooms before she escaped.
We should have a plan in case she wants to stay where she is.