Something that was always bugging me since we got New Caledonia and never versions of the maps were being made. During turn 2 phase 1 New Caledonia was classified as an Earl domain. Since it was on the border of Area 8 and 9 I was never sure where it goes for administrative reasons. Does Lelouch's land nominally answer to Area 8? Or is it some special crown land answering directly to the Emperor and only administered by Lelouch?
Also the New Caledonia information post mentions that the Loyalty Islands northeast of New Caledonia are also fiefs of Earls. Where do they fit from an administrative point?
The pause combined with our sources in the CF going silence is really worrying. I'm waiting for the Tianzi POV interlude with bated breath and dreading what madness the background rolls managed to conjure in combination with recent events.
Given my understanding, there are the following noble ranks: Dukes, Marquis, Earls, Counts, Barons. While the Loyalty Islands are lower than us in title rank they do not swear fealty to us, and I suspect swear fealty to the Governor of Area 8 who in turn swore fealty to the Emperor. How Lelouch fits in is a bit more complicated. See Lulu swore fealty to the Emperor directly, and thus doesn't need to answer to the Governor. Some time it's good to be the Prince. No one else in Area 8 in particular the nobles doubtlessly supporting the Crowns or Las Tortugas could get away with the stuff we try.
I suppose that TECHNICALLY the Area 8 governor could try ordering us around but it would be horribly improper and political suicide. Governor's authority is far from absolute after all. Carbez in Area 9 is only a countess but Area 9 does have Duchies. Also governors can sell titles, whether or not we could buy our promotion to Marquis from Area 8's governor... no idea.
EDIT: With this in mind Carine's in a weird position, she a Marchioness... under the King of New Spain, but technically she never swore fealty to the King but the Emperor himself.
Does Lelouch's land nominally answer to Area 8? Or is it some special crown land answering directly to the Emperor and only administered by Lelouch?
Also the New Caledonia information post mentions that the Loyalty Islands northeast of New Caledonia are also fiefs of Earls. Where do they fit from an administrative point?
Both Area 8 and Area 9 wanted it and the island was the subject of a disputed land claim, which is why a royal taking it neatly... solves(?) everything.
In theory, the nobles of the Loyalty Islands would nominally answer to Lelouch. If they were unhappy which something he ruled on or required, they could attempt to go to a governor, but that opens a can of worms that might be best left closed and everyone else knows it too.
Hello everyone, since around the beginning of November I have been working on a project with @Slayer Anderson , partially because I like making maps and partially just to get through the last 2 months of 2020. However all good things must come to an end and the project is completed. I present to you all... the COMPLETE map of Code Geass Semperverse Earth
Great work on the map again, Firebringer2077, can't thank you enough. It's really awesome to see something like this brought to life and I'll be adding it to the front page later tonight. Just got home and I need some chill time.
I've awarded the map x6 (+15) omake bonuses, which is my largest reward to date!
But I feel like this kind of thing deserves something special. So @Firebringer2077 - you get one OOC question which you can either use now or bank for a later date. Your option of a public Q&A or PM me if you'd prefer a private answer.
Hello everyone, since around the beginning of November I have been working on a project with @Slayer Anderson , partially because I like making maps and partially just to get through the last 2 months of 2020. However all good things must come to an end and the project is completed. I present to you all... the COMPLETE map of Code Geass Semperverse Earth
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Mindoro seems to be misspelt on the map, it's missing the 'n'. I checked though and that seems to be the only error present, though some of the fancier text could be hiding one.
In theory, the nobles of the Loyalty Islands would nominally answer to Lelouch. If they were unhappy which something he ruled on or required, they could attempt to go to a governor, but that opens a can of worms that might be best left closed and everyone else knows it too.
Huh, didn't realize this. Not too relevant for the time being, but might come in handy if we ever want to tap the mad sociologist for work some time in the future.
Thank you! I wasn't expecting to get an OOC question and I believe I will choose for it to be a public one. Now I just have to figure out what the question should be. I could ask where Rakshata is for the third time... No... I could ask who is the father of Guinevere's child but I have a guess and I want to see later on if I am right... I have a feeling if I ask about the Chinese Federation we are going to find out soon anyway...
hmm obstacles to space program, origin of sakuradite vein in Indonesia, or what Carine is up to <grabs dice to decide>
What is the origin and history of the vein of Sakuradite in Indonesia?
Missed this at the 200 page marker figure now would be a good time to ask.
Jesus looking at the map, the idea that any of the other Powers can even challenge Britannia seems preposterous, They control the entire Americas and all the resources in there PLUS large chunks of Africa, indonesia, australia AND half of Russia. Like the only way any of the other powers can hope to stand up to such centralized power is that they can't either bother or gather the will to roll them over.
Like the power differential must be completely insane.
Alrighty then... hmm, I'll need a bit to type that up. Gotta crack my lore doc and do a little review before I give a full answer, but I'll have a write up out in a few hours.
Jesus looking at the map, the idea that any of the other Powers can even challenge Britannia seems preposterous, They control the entire Americas and all the resources in there PLUS large chunks of Africa, indonesia, australia AND half of Russia. Like the only way any of the other powers can hope to stand up to such centralized power is that they can't either bother or gather the will to roll them over.
Like the power differential must be completely insane.
Perhaps, but still. The sheer resources this state is able to use when its needed would be absolutely insane. Like each "Area" could be its own country and be self sufficient for the most part.
Like if it is able to bring forth even 1/20th of the resources that it covers they'd still be far richer than every other nation XD.
Perhaps, but still. The sheer resources this state is able to use when its needed would be absolutely insane. Like each "Area" could be its own country and be self sufficient for the most part.
Like if it is able to bring forth even 1/20th of the resources that it covers they'd still be far richer than every other nation XD.
Well, one way to look at things is the Chinese federation probably still handily outstrips it population wise (Hard to say exactly how they compare since iirc overall population of the planet in general is up.) but is stuck behind it in capability due to inability to productively make use of the pop.
Meanwhile a huge proportion of the Bretonnian land area has only been conquered within the last 50-60 years or so, meaning it both isn't producing as much stuff as well developed heartlands, and also requires a significant amount of political focus to ensure integration continues smoothly.
Europa United meanwhile should have the smallest population by a significant margin, but basically their entire territory is heavily educated and industrialized with little in the way of dead weight, so even in spite of their political fractiousness they're able to maintain rough parity in influence with the others in the top three.
Jesus looking at the map, the idea that any of the other Powers can even challenge Britannia seems preposterous, They control the entire Americas and all the resources in there PLUS large chunks of Africa, indonesia, australia AND half of Russia. Like the only way any of the other powers can hope to stand up to such centralized power is that they can't either bother or gather the will to roll them over.
Like the power differential must be completely insane.
Colonies are almost always a net negative for the imperial state. From what I recall, the only British colony that was a real economic benefit to the country was India, and even then keeping it required them to hold onto other colonies to be able to project their fleets and armies to there. The resource and population exploitation can make companies extremely wealthy, but that's because they get to offset the costs onto the state. Military action is expensive, especially when you have to do so at great distance from your power base - keep in mind that the current war with the MEF is about the limit of what Britannia can support. And governing these territories is similarly costly, especially since it puts limits on how much looting you can do, which is the primary way colonial powers traditionally offset that in the short term.
Some of the oldest territories, like most of North America, are likely part of the Britannian Metropole by now, so this doesn't necessarily apply to them in the same way, but real life is not like EU4; painting the map your color doesn't neccesarily make you any stronger in real terms. And you could argue that this is a result of capitalism and tthe colonial model both being deeply inefficient economic methods, but do you really think Britannia's Feudal Capitalism is going to be all that much better at it?
If Britannia tried to invade, say, the EU? You can talk all you want about tactics, but professionals study logistics for a reason, and the material conditions just aren't there. The EU (or the Chinese Federation, the same logic applies) would not have a fun time of it, but there wouldn't be a ghost of a chance of real victory.
Jesus looking at the map, the idea that any of the other Powers can even challenge Britannia seems preposterous, They control the entire Americas and all the resources in there PLUS large chunks of Africa, indonesia, australia AND half of Russia. Like the only way any of the other powers can hope to stand up to such centralized power is that they can't either bother or gather the will to roll them over.
Like the power differential must be completely insane.
Well i would actually say that difference isn't all to great and territory isn't everything.
For example if we take comparison of British and German empires otl this differences shows. We have wast territory , but in terms of development not all of it is up to Brittanian proper standards as other pointed out , on other hand EU for example is smaller territorialy but its a continent that was in peace for really long time and is mostly economically integrated and developed, not even population difference is that big as while smaller EUs population is probably quite close to Brittania.
If EU is by some miracle able to centralize and properly militarize they would probably be able to strike at Brittanian territories close to them without much problems as Brittania itself is spread out across the world. On other hand Brittania has to bring its various territories up to standards to keep population pacified and when they uplift those territories they will be faced with educated people searching for the similar rights mainlanders have, so yea there's still balance of power of sorts with all polities having their own problems and advantages to balance them out, it's just that Brittania is using it's time somewhat more effectively and has more potential than other powers.
On other hand CF if properly centralized and rid of corruption would probably be able to become economic and military juggernaut that would actually be able challenge Brittania, though they face a problem of catching up to other powers on all fronts.
I wouldn't bet much of Britannia's model of capitalist economics and politics in being able to defeat the EU or even the Chinese Federation. It's too overstretched at this point.
Even if it can win a military conflict over them, it comes at a great cost.
The colonies are always a net negative for the imperial power. Or at least in the long-run, it becomes one. There is a reason why modern capitalism abandoned the 19th century imperialist model and shifted to the 20th century neocolonial one adopted by the United States, who learned its own imperial lessons through the westward expansion and through acquisition of territories like the Philippines, where it experimented on things that it will eventually implement elsewhere.
Indirect rule shifts costs of imperial administration to the client elites. The more direct imperial model is not really that efficient and that's what Britannia is having here.
The Numbers may not be treated as human beings but they are still human beings and their treatment have an effect on the quality of administration of the polity in one way or another because they are still part of the society and they are still part of the economy.
As some have speculated and guessed, deposits of sakuradite usually indicate ancient settlements due to the fact that the material was both created by humans and heavily used in the construction of ancient psi-tech on what we would call an industrial scale.
The vein in Indonesia, unlike Japan, is mostly underwater and require a lot of specialized labor to get to, which is another barrier to Indonesia becoming an economic rival to Japan. What is exposed is really the tip of the iceberg in a lot of ways.
These are the last remains of one of the great metropolitan complexes rooted in the human civilization which occupied a river valley system that no longer exists.
This is one of the pockets of the near-global psionic culture which met the Protheans when they arrived in the solar system long ago. What's available to be accessed above land is almost entirely destroyed, any ruins shattered and melted down by the intense violence and heat of the Toba super volcanic event inadvertently set off by Prothean bombardment of the local region. The closer the sakuradite is to the mountainous highlands that have become islands after the melting of the glaciers, the less intact it will be because of Toba's eruption.
Buried under silt and sand in what is today the South China Sea, north east of the Riau islands, are both the largest as yet undiscovered deposits, as well as the area most likely to have semi-intact ruins or relics. This is likely a larger cache of potential artifacts than you'll find on land anywhere locally, though Australia may have some small baubles that are far easier to retrieve.
The large part of the vein of sakuradite follows the arc of the rivers between what are today the islands of Indonesia, centered around the ancient river beds. The outlying arteries of the vein will be representative of smaller settlements and personal enclaves of the most powerful psions of the age. In large part you can expect these to have been destroyed, first by the Prothean's bombardment, then by the Toba eruption, and finally worn away time and exposure. Anything not submerged deeply enough to build a layer of protective material in the more shallow regions has also been reduced to raw ore and mixed with impurities, much less actually retaining any potential relics.
Yeah, I was about to say how is Charles holding it all together but then I remembered you mentioned they use the locals of the newly conquered areas to invade their neighbors so pressure valve.
Jeeze it's going to get ugly when Charlie bites the bullet.
Colonies are almost always a net negative for the imperial state. From what I recall, the only British colony that was a real economic benefit to the country was India, and even then keeping it required them to hold onto other colonies to be able to project their fleets and armies to there. The resource and population exploitation can make companies extremely wealthy, but that's because they get to offset the costs onto the state. Military action is expensive, especially when you have to do so at great distance from your power base - keep in mind that the current war with the MEF is about the limit of what Britannia can support. And governing these territories is similarly costly, especially since it puts limits on how much looting you can do, which is the primary way colonial powers traditionally offset that in the short term.
Some of the oldest territories, like most of North America, are likely part of the Britannian Metropole by now, so this doesn't necessarily apply to them in the same way, but real life is not like EU4; painting the map your color doesn't neccesarily make you any stronger in real terms. And you could argue that this is a result of capitalism and tthe colonial model both being deeply inefficient economic methods, but do you really think Britannia's Feudal Capitalism is going to be all that much better at it?
If Britannia tried to invade, say, the EU? You can talk all you want about tactics, but professionals study logistics for a reason, and the material conditions just aren't there. The EU (or the Chinese Federation, the same logic applies) would not have a fun time of it, but there wouldn't be a ghost of a chance of real victory.
I'm not too familiar with the economics of colonialism, but how do rarer resources like oil and rubber play into this? Certain resources are of massive economic importance in a way that a tax base can't necessarily replace. I'd imagine the Dutch East Indies were fairly profitable for instance, and then there's things like while corporations are the primary beneficiaries you can still tax and tariff a corporation. Tariffs on the Suez had to be absurd for instance, precisely because of large oversea colonies in Asia.
I don't disagree that the majority of colonial adventurism was counterproductive, but it seems like a rather complicated topic even when you acknowledge most of the wealth was directly harnessed by large and powerful corporations with minimal incentive to support the parent country.
I'm not too familiar with the economics of colonialism, but how do rarer resources like oil and rubber play into this? Certain resources are of massive economic importance in a way that a tax base can't necessarily replace. I'd imagine the Dutch East Indies were fairly profitable for instance, and then there's things like while corporations are the primary beneficiaries you can still tax and tariff a corporation. Tariffs on the Suez had to be absurd for instance, precisely because of large oversea colonies in Asia.
I don't disagree that the majority of colonial adventurism was counterproductive, but it seems like a rather complicated topic even when you acknowledge most of the wealth was directly harnessed by large and powerful corporations with minimal incentive to support the parent country.
Your are talking about strategic resources primarily here rather than just luxuries, and they change the calculus of colonialism quite significantly. The problem with colonies that produce strategic resources is that you cant treat them like standard colonies, it would leave them to vulnerable to attack by rivals and it would hamper overall production. Instead you have to put resources into developing them, which is time consuming and expensive even if you end up getting the natives on your side, so while valuable they don't just print money. The Philippines are a good example given how their relationship with the USA developed as a colonial holding and ultimately concluded.
Your are talking about strategic resources primarily here rather than just luxuries, and they change the calculus of colonialism quite significantly. The problem with colonies that produce strategic resources is that you cant treat them like standard colonies, it would leave them to vulnerable to attack by rivals and it would hamper overall production. Instead you have to put resources into developing them, which is time consuming and expensive even if you end up getting the natives on your side, so while valuable they don't just print money. The Philippines are a good example given how their relationship with the USA developed as a colonial holding and ultimately concluded.
I would say that it's quite unfair to compare Brittania to European colonial empires as for me at least they have more in common with continuous land empires of Russia, Austria and if we are to go quite far Roman empire so using colonial empires as a comparison isn't a real measurement to Brittanian problems.
I'm pretty sure Slayer Anderson went over this in his explanation of "Why not attack Japan". Brittania does uplift the areas it conquers in terms of infrastructure and education. Let me try to find it.
Here it is. A good explanation of how Brittania does its colonialism.
To a certain extent, the Britannian Empire relies on a willing suspension of disbelief. I'm not entirely convinced that an empire like this would be able to function as a singular effective political unit, especially with how diverse the groups of population are.
However, as a few people have referred to over the course of the thread, there are examples of large empires which seem to contradict this hypothesis.
I would say that those who argue for a more Roman (particularly Eastern Roman/Byzantine) take on 'empire' have the right of things. Britannia does a lot of infrastructure building more akin to what they did than the colonial empires of the modern era and aren't as exploitative as what's usually pictured in tandem with OTL colonialism. (That's not to say the Areas aren't exploitative, they are, but to a lesser degree by comparison.)
For those looking for a more contemporary comparison, it might be better to think of the Britannian Empire as a combination of the United Nations, NAFTA, and NATO expanded to include all constituent territories of the HBE with the Area Governors not completely supplanting local authorities (such as a Gran Columbia's old legislative body which is still kicking), but functioning as the primary military authority, interface with the Imperial throne, and guarantor that no laws or regulations interfere with the overall imperial code which superceeds any regional authority.
There's a lot this analogy misses out on, but it's the best I can do at... way too early in the morning and about to go to sleep. At any rate, if the HBE is viable in any real way, it's not going to be along lines of 'classical' colonialism or the economic systems thereof.
Great map @Firebringer2077, but why is Zilkhistan landlocked, wasn't the capital supposedly located next to a coastline? The wiki page suggests that it's somewhere between Gujarat, India and Sindh, Pakistan.
Essentially, the only way the idea of Code Geass Britannia can be accommodated realistically in the context of the lore is to allow Britannia some measure of doing things that ran contrary to how usual real-life empires tend to do things.
That's fair enough. A measure of accommodation of native elites always helps.
And definitely a mixture of a willing suspension of disbelief on the part of us readers too.
Is the fact that Indonesian Confederation has a black label a spoiler for next turn? Like China fully annexing it after a change in government? Or was that an error?
Because if they were wiped off the political map it will be irritating as we have 80 National Significance with them.
Is the fact that Indonesian Confederation has a black label a spoiler for next turn? Like China fully annexing it after a change in government? Or was that an error?
Because if they were wiped off the political map it will be irritating as we have 80 National Significance with them.
If you look very very closely the Chinese associates are actually in Grey. This is because I needed someway to show that they were associated but not in the CF proper, and that font I used didn't have a good italics or bold so I made it grey. Lighter greys didn't look good. Also as far as I know Indonesia is still a part of CF... whether they remain so is the question
Great map @Firebringer2077, but why is Zilkhistan landlocked, wasn't the capital supposedly located next to a coastline? The wiki page suggests that it's somewhere between Gujarat, India and Sindh, Pakistan.
Soooo, I just read through the whole thing and found out that this is also an ME cross. The question I have is if the Protheans are still ruling, or if they are just a small bunch of remnants and the canon ME races are now on top.
Soooo, I just read through the whole thing and found out that this is also an ME cross. The question I have is if the Protheans are still ruling, or if they are just a small bunch of remnants and the canon ME races are now on top.
That's something we would need to use an OoC question on.
We only know about a lot of the stuff behind the scenes from OoC questions.
However, the ME part of the setting is a ways off still. Unless we find a way to make Lelouch immortal, we will be playing his successor by the time we get there (assuming the quest runs long enough to get there and the turns don't keep ballooning like Turn 9 did).
