Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Apology accepted.
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Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)
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Apology accepted.
Wait...isn't Taya dead...*checks* huh, apparently it was just 'Eleanor'. Thought it was weird that we lost our Elite and it wasn't even hinted at in the story.
Possibly semi-colon instead.
Well, default's still an issue - being magically bound to pay back money doesn't matter if you have no money
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Eh I revised battle results for a somewhat different plan.
Only if you're dead. You can't just declare bankruptcy and ignore the debt in the same way. It will essentially be on you forever until you find a way to pay it back.Well, default's still an issue - being magically bound to pay back money doesn't matter if you have no money
Yeah, did eventually see that post (hence the *checks*).
True, but at that point it's difficult to pay back. How are you paying off interest? Do you have to give every last cent to try to get as close as possible to the required payments? If so, you're likely to die pretty quickly, with little options to beat the mounting dept. You can't ignore the debt, but being able to pay it back is definitely an issue - if we 'defaulted' on these loans, say...extreme example, but if the Beholder came to say hello to our home base, and we lost most of our income sources. Within a turn, we'd have basically no money. With no money, how are we going to be able to gain money? (Take out a loan we could default on
?)If you don't have to pay it back by a set time, then you've functionally defaulted, leaving Magicka Corp without the loan repayments, and thus running into issues with operating as a bank. And if you keep just not paying because you can't find a way to pay it back (because at this point, interest will be huge), again, you'll die without having payed it all back. At that point, Magicka Corp's lost quite a bit of money. Also a large amount of risk associated with lending to meguca, due to the high fatality rates. Even organisations would have risk, due to the competition for territory/cubes. And if they're lending to non-meguca, how are they keeping the masquerade safe? I doubt NDAs are exactly common practice in general loans
(probably doable, but it'd be a bit odd I'd think).Also, general thing, how's paying back the loan work? I remember we took out a loan for the restaurant, but I doubt we'd have paid that back already. Or is the restaurant 'income' instead the 'profit'?
Restaurant income is net profit after making the loan payment.
The Morale meter took a large hit already, blindly accepting yet another 30-ish refugees without guarantee we can afford (in all aspects) the hit yet again does not strike me as wise. Especially since we've not yet even begun IC-wise shifting over to the clan system being proposed here in thread that might alleviate the social problems we're already starting to see.
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Overall, I'm getting the impression that MGs are fleeing Tokyo faster than we thought, with areas having extremely low DS, maybe being completely unhunted.
Actually, I'm thinking we take this in steps. Start using a modified "clan" model as soon as we can, as a holdover until the current crisis is over. Then begin shifting towards a modified House system for each geographic area.
Well fuck you too, Kofu. That kind of reaction seems to be very... short-sighted? Insular? Or rather, they do not seem to have very many diplomatic contacts outside what meguca they directly come into contact with if that's the kind of reaction they have to us, especially since they've made no overtures in contacting us otherwise. Still, I think coming up with a way to ease the burden on them would be good for everyone: we don't want to risk them imploding and setting off another chain reaction. Something like that would certainly increase any bad blood currently forming. Maybe we should slip them info that QB was totally gonna start 'sterilization' and end up like Hong Kong, try and bring them into the fold so they feel like they can have an impact on their future instead of just reacting to outside threats.
I think we were hoping to put off the shifting until after the current Tokyo conflict was resolved but it's looking like that's not something we can put off. Mami did mention that permanent cliques seemed to be forming; disappointing but not inherently a bad thing, but it would be better if we got ahead of this and made the divisions ourselves. Problem is: I don't think we've come up with a system yet that we can adequately use right now, whether as a clan-based or House-based.
Actually, I'm thinking we take this in steps. Start using a modified "clan" model as soon as we can, as a holdover until the current crisis is over. Then begin shifting towards a modified House system for each geographic area.
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Crap...
Double crap...
Triple crap... well... at least greens will be able to hunt here safely...
Quadruple crap!
Sounds like none are actually living there...
Quintuple crap!
Awww... and Taura and Taya are usually friends...
Of course the tech we aren't sure if it will even be effective succeeds.
... Understandable, but how to help with it? I have no idea...
Dang it, too much to hope for.
Great, just great.
Sextuple crap...
KYUBEY!!!!
Yeah... the world is on fire and to try and put it out we have to set more of it on fire...
Okay... but can we afford the reduction in manpower?
Looks like we need to take in some girls...
Ugh... we need more manpower so that we can absorb more manpower, so that we can hunt enough cubes, to support more manpower...
Okay... so maybe we hook her up with Kofu?
Definitely need something like a home equity line of credit.
???
Some kind of Oriko type divination group?
Scouting? Perhaps a clairvoyant to help? That would be good...
Well great. I guess there was a change in government?
I guess that means MRJ is not going to be involved in Tokyo planning discussions.
Well... that did not go as well as hoped....
Maybe we should send in guards to help handle refugees.
A neutral outcome I guess.
Well... Madoka continues to super charge our dice.
TRANSLATOR!
Also, we need those vets.
Heck we probably need the greens as well, we are short on cubes, more short on money, but oddly enough our greatest problem right now is a shortage of manpower.
Maybe we should help them fight for it?
Why? She completed the certification, this wasn't about training, this was about developing a reputation so that her initial efforts to find clients would go easier.
@inverted_helix Can we get some GM confirmation on this? Because last I remember you told us that there was no mechanical effect on morale by choosing grief management. Is that true or not?
Kind of sounds like we actually need the manpower. We absolutely need to cut off more of Tokyo so that we can harvest cubes...
However, the incredibly low DS means we can harvest a lot more from smaller areas. We could probably harvest as much as 40 cubes from the little bit of our staging ground (~12 cube territory).
I think we should go $200K for the village. I fear there will be a lot of grief spirals among the survivors, and some of them will make it to Serena in time to survive.
Morale will also take a hit if we turn them away. Plus, that is the average morale. helix is keeping tabs on the distribution, and our core still has high morale (relatively). That's the core that is providing all the firepower, so the low morale among refugees is not too bad.
I think we should focus on the material benefits of additional manpower versus the material costs of providing for them.
And in the long run, one thing that the low DS in Tokyo means is that meguca power is going to be far more important than cubes.
Actually, I think what we need to do is assign mentors from our core of experienced Serenes for each new recruit. That addresses the urgent needs instead of trying to develop a long term governance plan for a situation that we don't even fully understand yet.
I won't deny that. However, I think the hit would be smaller than the lower average morale from taking in another 30 girls.
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So like give a Vet like 2 or 3 Greens to take care of? That might actually work as an extension of our family model.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Brilliant. I support it completely. The mentors will naturally take an onee-san role, and our clan style will have a base to work with.
This isn't PMAS. *shrugs*
Turning grief management on and off doesn't affect morale, but use of grief management can, depending on circumstances, as seen the last time we used grief management on turn 32. helix responded about the issue here.
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1) We need cubes. If we're hunting youma, we can have greens hunt in our territory to free up megucapower.
2) We need money. Another attempt at the restaurant; accept the translator and put her with Hainako; and possibly have Nagisa start on the pet training, though I get the feeling that might need another month of practice; send quants to NM; and get a huge loan from Sachiko.
3) We need more meguca. We have some on offer, with the refugees, but that's going to be another morale hit. @Aranfan, might consider spending more non-canon omakes on that now?
4) We need expanded housing. Assuming we get the loan from Sachiko, that means getting the village worked on, as well as more apartments for any more refugees we accept. Also, given the refugee situations around us, probably want to get a lot of excess apartment space, if we're going to try to reduce the pressure on our neighbors.
5) We need to stabilize things internally. Set up mentors? Do we have the spare meguca time to do that effectively?
6) Morale day. We can't manage this all on one day. Have two or three days with a balance of meguca split up on each one? Total meguca time is the same, as far as planning goes. Possibly redo this as the mentorship for a while?
7) Relations. We need to help ease the burden on Kofu and 15/16. We dropped the ball in not considering that this month.
8) We need to get the Tokyo girls to stay in Tokyo as much as possible. We need to curtail the refugee exodus.
9) We need to have some girls on artifact training. We can skimp on research. Not sure if we want to do any more fusion training.
10) Something that personally bugs me: I think we need to make another outreach to the girl in area 3. She's been fine so far, but 1 girl in a 1 cube area just doesn't sit well with me, and we've let her alone for quite a few months since the winter festival. At the same time, this really isn't a great time to bring her in, with all the other chaos. Maybe the Coalition has approached her? I'd honestly be happier with the her joining the Coalition than with her continuing to be out there solo.
11) Notes on numbers: If we skip all training and jobs stuff, and just have every single girl in each assigned territory (assuming 50% coverage, as usual, and vaguely even split between vets and greens) on solo hunting duty, we can get things from -40 DS up to about -10. Given that there's no real point in looking for jobs at -40 DS anyway, and that training isn't needed when DS is so horribly low, that's probably the best approach to take on the first month after clearing Tokyo. -10 at least puts us in range of 'reasonable'.
2) We need money. Another attempt at the restaurant; accept the translator and put her with Hainako; and possibly have Nagisa start on the pet training, though I get the feeling that might need another month of practice; send quants to NM; and get a huge loan from Sachiko.
3) We need more meguca. We have some on offer, with the refugees, but that's going to be another morale hit. @Aranfan, might consider spending more non-canon omakes on that now?
4) We need expanded housing. Assuming we get the loan from Sachiko, that means getting the village worked on, as well as more apartments for any more refugees we accept. Also, given the refugee situations around us, probably want to get a lot of excess apartment space, if we're going to try to reduce the pressure on our neighbors.
5) We need to stabilize things internally. Set up mentors? Do we have the spare meguca time to do that effectively?
6) Morale day. We can't manage this all on one day. Have two or three days with a balance of meguca split up on each one? Total meguca time is the same, as far as planning goes. Possibly redo this as the mentorship for a while?
7) Relations. We need to help ease the burden on Kofu and 15/16. We dropped the ball in not considering that this month.
8) We need to get the Tokyo girls to stay in Tokyo as much as possible. We need to curtail the refugee exodus.
9) We need to have some girls on artifact training. We can skimp on research. Not sure if we want to do any more fusion training.
10) Something that personally bugs me: I think we need to make another outreach to the girl in area 3. She's been fine so far, but 1 girl in a 1 cube area just doesn't sit well with me, and we've let her alone for quite a few months since the winter festival. At the same time, this really isn't a great time to bring her in, with all the other chaos. Maybe the Coalition has approached her? I'd honestly be happier with the her joining the Coalition than with her continuing to be out there solo.
11) Notes on numbers: If we skip all training and jobs stuff, and just have every single girl in each assigned territory (assuming 50% coverage, as usual, and vaguely even split between vets and greens) on solo hunting duty, we can get things from -40 DS up to about -10. Given that there's no real point in looking for jobs at -40 DS anyway, and that training isn't needed when DS is so horribly low, that's probably the best approach to take on the first month after clearing Tokyo. -10 at least puts us in range of 'reasonable'.
Internal morale/organization
OK, suppose we skip the explicit morale day, and set up mentorships for the refugees. Say 1 mentor per 10 girls, means we need about 7 mentors. Mix of vets and greens. That would be compared to 5 needed for the morale day (141/30 = 4.8). Given that we don't have the venue space for that many people at once, and in fact haven't really had the space for even half that many people, making it a more distributed effect is probably a better approach anyway. A sort of indoctrination period, rather than just dropping them in and waiting for them to adapt.
Second: Set Chisato on a rotation of cooking for people throughout, mixed with a bit of time of Akane teaching her the ropes. In particular, I'd like to see what sorts of things her magic cooking can do when explicitly geared for our own troops rather than put in a restaurant. Home cooking, comfort food, pick-me-ups, etc. Not putting her and Akane together enough to equate to needing explicit meguca unit time, just having Akane as sort of a 'light' mentor for Chisato as time permits.
Training: Training is ongoing, but it's a radical mental shift for most of the refugees. Hard for them to wrap their heads around the different perspectives we have. Is there a way we can improve on that? The mentorships may actually have a nice supplementary effect, there. The training is mostly about the large group of greens learning to trust each other, where they each have mutual trust issues. We need to set up things where it's probably more about them trusting existing members, since existing members will be able to ease them into that much more readily. I think the combination of mentorships and training will work better than training alone.
OK, suppose we skip the explicit morale day, and set up mentorships for the refugees. Say 1 mentor per 10 girls, means we need about 7 mentors. Mix of vets and greens. That would be compared to 5 needed for the morale day (141/30 = 4.8). Given that we don't have the venue space for that many people at once, and in fact haven't really had the space for even half that many people, making it a more distributed effect is probably a better approach anyway. A sort of indoctrination period, rather than just dropping them in and waiting for them to adapt.
Second: Set Chisato on a rotation of cooking for people throughout, mixed with a bit of time of Akane teaching her the ropes. In particular, I'd like to see what sorts of things her magic cooking can do when explicitly geared for our own troops rather than put in a restaurant. Home cooking, comfort food, pick-me-ups, etc. Not putting her and Akane together enough to equate to needing explicit meguca unit time, just having Akane as sort of a 'light' mentor for Chisato as time permits.
Training: Training is ongoing, but it's a radical mental shift for most of the refugees. Hard for them to wrap their heads around the different perspectives we have. Is there a way we can improve on that? The mentorships may actually have a nice supplementary effect, there. The training is mostly about the large group of greens learning to trust each other, where they each have mutual trust issues. We need to set up things where it's probably more about them trusting existing members, since existing members will be able to ease them into that much more readily. I think the combination of mentorships and training will work better than training alone.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I believe I only have one left, but if spending it will convince people to take in the refugees, then I'll spend it.
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A part of me is curious about what Tandem Casting between Akane and Chisato (cooking) would do. Or Hainako and the new translator. Will have to try that out when we're no longer in Apocalypse mode.
A part of me is curious about what Tandem Casting between Akane and Chisato (cooking) would do. Or Hainako and the new translator. Will have to try that out when we're no longer in Apocalypse mode.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Sabrina would love our organization.
My thoughts are that there is two ways to approach the money issue.
1: Try to get a massive loan from Sachiko with a delay of something like 6 months to start making payments. We would need to cover not only current expenses, and near future expenses, but future expenses for everything we intend to do in Tokyo, including unforseeable expenses.
2: Try to get a line of credit from Sachiko. Something that would allow us to borrow what we need, when we need it, and then pay a minimum each month based on how much we have currently borrowed. If we pay it down the monthly payment is also reduced.
I think mentors might be more effective at this point.
I was thinking more that every vet has a mentee or two that they are responsible for. Not as full time employment, but as partial. But I was thinking something similar in that it would be 10% of their time.
Agreed, mentors should help with the training.
OK, set up a local hunting config that will fit our green limits and only use 15 full kevlar sets, leaving 19 for the Tokyo groups (which should need 18, I think).
0.5 elite solo
1 vet pair
1.5 vet pack
7.5 green pack (untrained)
For each of North and South, and then another vet+5 green pack in the rural area, with the greens using hard leather.
Overall totals are:
1 elite
2 vets (pair)
4 vets (pack)
20 greens (pack)
This is viable as long as we accept the new set of refugees.
Accepting the new refugees will cost us about $20,000 (welcome package, apartments, food, stipend).
At my current estimated allocation (including using the mentor allocation implied in Haman's post, above), I'm out of vets, but have 10 greens leftover that I'm not sure what I'd do with. And I'd like a few more vets for diplomacy-related stuff, too.
Have to talk with her this month and see what we can manage.
0.5 elite solo
1 vet pair
1.5 vet pack
7.5 green pack (untrained)
For each of North and South, and then another vet+5 green pack in the rural area, with the greens using hard leather.
Overall totals are:
1 elite
2 vets (pair)
4 vets (pack)
20 greens (pack)
This is viable as long as we accept the new set of refugees.
Accepting the new refugees will cost us about $20,000 (welcome package, apartments, food, stipend).
At my current estimated allocation (including using the mentor allocation implied in Haman's post, above), I'm out of vets, but have 10 greens leftover that I'm not sure what I'd do with. And I'd like a few more vets for diplomacy-related stuff, too.
This would really simplify things for us, though it feels like we'd be edging around certain resource limits helix wants to keep on us. On the other hand, we have to pay back an appropriate payment for the amount we've borrowed each month, so it's not like we're getting the money for free.
Have to talk with her this month and see what we can manage.
Honestly, I think the morale hit is the lesser issue right now. The real problem is the conflict going on from the other refugees hitting nearby areas like Kofu and 15/16. 27 refugees is roughly as many girls as there are in either of those other areas.
Aside: I'm going to start calling 15/16 Numazu, for the largest city in their area.
Numazu could have a population of up to 25, but is likely 20 or below. Kofu has a population of probably 30 or so. Letting 27 girls loose when those are the two closest regions they could hit, and both are already being overwhelmed by Tokyo emigrants, would be horrible.
Hm. Maybe having Serena there at all this month was a mistake; certainly having her teleport in to bounce the teleporters was a bad idea, since we still don't have any way to contain them. We'll have to keep this in mind for the clearing operation next month.
Hey, I'm getting fairly close to gibbering in terror myself; these youma are acting way, way more intelligent than my worst fears (and I still maintain that the speed, precision of communication, and level of strategizing are far above even the "higher" animals, but we've had that discussion before so to my mind we're "agreeing to disagree" there).
This round didn't have so much creepily intelligent strategy, but their effectiveness was insane! We got bounced by teleporters roughly 50% of the time when hunting (15.4 GCU out of an expected 27.5 means we had to bug out at least ~44% of the time, and that's ignoring any hunting bonuses we get from not really needing to fight the demons at all, since they're apparently mostly sedentary), and this was an area that they "could not patrol effectively" due to force reductions. If the girls inside Tokyo had a >>50% youma encounter rate every hunt, how the heck are any of them alive at all? How are so many of them escaping, if there's a 50% encounter rate even at the outer edges of the border areas?
I never thought I'd start to sympathize with an Incubator's position, but frankly the stats coming out of Tokyo both scare the hell out of me and make me wonder how the city hasn't already died like 9-12 months ago, if this is how intelligent, effective, and deadly the youma are even after we've killed 25% of them.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
So we've managed to save Tokyo from the Incubators, at least for now. That's good.