Tandem Fusion Casting: 3 vets
Tracking Teleporters: Can we place something on a teleporter to allow us to follow them? Inside them? 1 Teleporter? Money? Cubes? Maybe illusion magic to provide a signal?
Actions to gather up girls fleeing so that they don't cause trouble for us. Maybe 1 or 2 vets?
Diplomacy with the Coalition to try and get their Tandem Casting research (might give a bonus to our Tandem Fusion Research). 1 vet?
Diplomacy with Osaka to try and get their teleport interdiction technology. 1 to 2 vets?
As the Incubators with their orbital bombardment methods can tell you, the issue is that the miasma is actually a very very effective barrier. Almost all energy doesn't transition through the miasma.
No no no. Jojo does not run on plot armor. Jojo runs on pure, unadulterated manliness, and loads of awesomeness. And posing. Lots of stylistic posing. If it's cool, awesome, incredibly manly, and allows for ridiculous poses, then you can do it when you are a Jojo.
And classic rock. Can't forget all the classic rock.
Surprised you haven't watched it. The Jojo and Madoka fandoms overlap quite a bit. (I mean, really, Jojo is essentially the male version of a magical girl show. They pair up just like He-Man and She-Ra from the olden days.)
Enough that people created this wondrous fan made ending. That I personally think of as the music video for this quest.
Which by the way goes to show how awesome Kyouko is, since they give her the role of Zeppeli (see original)
Well sure. Did you see what that Squirrel of Death did to that poor Nazi? And then Cars unleashed the Butterfly of Doom! And what he intended to do to the earth just makes me shudder.
Only show I've ever seen where you actually start cheering for the Nazis. Cars was that bad.
Alright, time to present the initial plan. If anyone wants to propose improvements I'm happy to include them.
@inverted_helix We would like the input of Kyouko, Seto, and Serena into these plans, as well as the thoughts anyone else has.
[X] Plan Eyeball Assault
Give everyone a day's rest. Followed by a day reviewing, practicing, and improving the plan bellow (without aura exposure). Attack on the third day.
During this preparation time, prepare barrier bomb charms, that we can try to affix to the demon. (Hooks if possible).
During the day of rest, Mami can take some time to talk with Seto and see how she's holding up. Express some concern over how Seto was effected by Serena's aura, and make sure she knows that Mami is there to talk to if she needs someone.
100 tandem barrier charms (distribute 3x to each non barrier girl = 72, and 2x to each barrier girl = 14, with 14 left to distribute to those needing replacements).
67 tandem healing charms (2x to each non-healer = 58, 1x to each healer = 2, with 7 left for replacements)
14 elite illusion charms (1 to 6 designated vet support group leads and second leads, 2 for Mami, and 2 for Serena, 1 to each teleporter)
86 elite stealth charms (3x to non-stealth girls = 84, 1x to each vet stealth girl = 2)
Get the eyeball location from Kyubey. Move into teleportation range protected by Serena's aura. Have her clear out any non-teleporting demons.
Teleporters and Clairvoyants determine the exact safe range to teleport in around the Eyeball. (Should be able to do this quickly).
Teleport just outside the interdiction zone with clairvoyants and support team (and at least far enough out that Serena's aura does not reach the Eyeball). Teleporters teleport back to safe territory, but remain on call.
Serena is transformed. Triple Tandem Barrier the whole party. Vet Tandem Stealth over the whole party. Elite Tandem Stealth over the support team (ie everyone but Serena & Co). Approach the eyeball.
Scenario 1: It immediately flees Serena's Aura:
Stop for confirmation, but tentative plan will be to stop attempting to kill the teleporters (including the eyeball) and for Serena begin clearing all the non-teleporters, while everyone else goes and does other things to try and get other things done. (Note significant changes to the backlog planned).
Scenario 2: It stays and fights:
Have Serena & Co. fight defensively while the stealthed support team gets ready. Once the demon takes significant damage, or if Serena's team starts to have any problems, all out surprise attack on the Eyeball from stealth, including barrier bomb charms. Use several of the elite illusion distractions charms (Kyouko in a can!) to keep the eyeball confused. Continue attacking until it flees or dies.
Would like a point to stop and decide if we should pursue if it decides to flee. However, we have made preparations so that we can pursue if we decide to:
Have Kyubey prepared tell us the new location (including how many other demons are around it) and call the teleporters back to teleport us as close as possible.
If surrounded by demons, approach using the same method as previously (Serena transformed).
If no demons are around it, approach with Serena untransformed, triple tandem barrier setup with vet stealth over the whole party, and the Elite Stealth field placed over Serena, plus Betty Rae protecting her with her barriers. Upon reaching the eyeball, have Serena transform just as we launch our major attack.
Honestly when you look at Nanoha for inspiration you're probably overreaching your ability to research at present. I mean Nanoha magic is the result of a a highly advanced civilization developing their magitech for hundreds of years.
You kind of just make me feel bad when I have to tell you no repeatedly to developing stuff they had with your <100 people in a matter of months.
Sounds good to me. I mean, this whole teleportation issue makes me think that we missed something.
If Kyubey knew of a meguca capable of teleportation interdiction it would have told us about her already, especially since it went out of its way to talk about even more dubious prospects like Hortence and Homura. Or would it? Does its alien mentality just not think to correlate "demons can teleport" to "maybe I should tell my only ally in the area about girls who can stop teleporters"? Does it have anything useful to say about teleport interdiction?
Heaven's Chosen has an interdiction method, but they're not willing to disclose it. It's probably not a meguca, or we'd know of its existence through Kyubey; that implies a technique or magical technology. Has Nagoya offered to buy it from them?
Can we specifically research the teleport+barrier part of Fusion Tandem Casting, or would that not make it go any faster than just going straight for the full Fusion research?
The Class 4's interdiction field extends past its miasma. Can we try to catch teleporting demons inside its interdiction field, but outside the Class 4's own miasma?
Honestly when you look at Nanoha for inspiration you're probably overreaching your ability to research at present. I mean Nanoha magic is the result of a a highly advanced civilization developing their magitech for hundreds of years.
You kind of just make me feel bad when I have to tell you no repeatedly to developing stuff they had with your <100 people in a matter of months.
It was mostly a joke, thus the smiley. Although that particular spell was developed independently in the field by 14-year old Teana in about five minutes, so it's not like trying to develop a Device from scratch or something.
It was mostly a joke, thus the smiley. Although that particular spell was developed independently in the field by 14-year old Teana in about five minutes, so it's not like trying to develop a Device from scratch or something.
Except it's making heavy use of the Device. I mean basically all Nanoha spells are made possible by the Device doing much of the heavy lifting. At least that's my understanding. And it presumably has some sort of database about magic that it can use to put together most things the user could want.
As stated previously, Nagoya has. Hiko knows that Hino wants it to help clear Tokyo though, and has thus far turned her down. Nagoya's view is that Hiko's around 150 years old or more and gone somewhat beyond the bend. She can be annoyingly mysterious at times for no discernible reason. But she's also got a lot knowledge about just about everything.
I actually have a sort of overarching reason why the Incubators don't want to do this sort of thing. From your ground level view probably near impossible to discern, but the answer is they won't, not because they can't, but because of contravening a higher objective.
I actually have some degree of layered priorities for the Incubators in mind when I plot out what they will and won't do. Even though in this case it would appear very opaque.
Diplomatic approaches to Osaka are advised to be on our backlog.
Next month we can maybe take a break from Tokyo (if we do clear all the non-teleporters), and try to trade for this information (while also trying to get Fusion Casting research as well.)
I actually have a sort of overarching reason why the Incubators don't want to do this sort of thing. From your ground level view probably near impossible to discern, but the answer is they won't, not because they can't, but because of contravening a higher objective.
I actually have a sort of overarching reason why the Incubators don't want to do this sort of thing. From your ground level view probably near impossible to discern, but the answer is they won't, not because they can't, but because of contravening a higher objective.
I actually have some degree of layered priorities for the Incubators in mind when I plot out what they will and won't do. Even though in this case it would appear very opaque.
In this case I suspect it's more about preventing cross-contamination. Having an array of different-sized groups taking different directions in regards to research can create surprising answers to questions, after all. It's not quite worth mass die-offs of the human crop, which is why we have Incubator help with the Tokyo problem, but in the long run they're no doubt hoping for more surprising results like those of our Improved RT research.
Sucks for us, but is understandable, from that perspective.
In this case I suspect it's more about preventing cross-contamination. Having an array of different-sized groups taking different directions in regards to research can create surprising answers to questions, after all.
They want many different answers to arise. It's the same reason they wouldn't spread your hunting manual. They want to see if other people come up with better ideas than you when not contaminated by your ideas focusing their researching.
It's not quite worth mass die-offs of the human crop, which is why we have Incubator help with the Tokyo problem, but in the long run they're no doubt hoping for more surprising results like those of our Improved RT research.
So far they haven't done anything to help you with Tokyo that much compromises other possible research patterns. Linking you up with adjacent groups a little isn't much. And Serena wasn't really benefiting anyone too much.
So they're increasing the chance to avoid mass die off without compromising research. They're balancing avoiding the die off with avoiding damage to research. But they are perfectly willing for Tokyo to die if it produces some Superior Improved Farming tactic somewhere else that might have been missed if research was too cross contaminated.
Hmm. You know, I wonder if we can get the Class 3s to eat each other? I mean, if they're consistently running away from Serena, we might be able to force them into, say, the southern tip of Chiba, where they don't have enough people to feed off of, and they'll be forced to eat each other to survive. This will have to wait until we can either kill the Class 4 outright or get it to run away consistently too, so we'll have to still go for @Elder Haman's Eyeball Assault plan right now, but it's an avenue to think of for the future.
As a way to ensure that this happens, I think we might need to teach Serena how to make anchors. If we start making hope-bombs, we can try popping them all over Tokyo to herd the Class 3s in the direction we want them to go.
Rather coincidental that our best teleporter is also the one that is incapacitated within Serena's aura. We "know" the cause of this... but do we, really? The Tokyo girls lost a dear friend of theirs, but didn't completely freak out over the aura. The other girls from Seto's group didn't break down. Plenty of girls have had rough grief spirals, yet none of them had a relapse.
What's so special about Seto?
In fact, Seto was singled out along with Mami in that bit of unusualness. We already know Mami is something special, and can even resist the aura effect. She has a lot of potential, and the aura can't be the trigger for how to use it. On the other hand, we decided that Seto couldn't come along at all because of the detrimental effects.
However, looking at things a little more carefully, I can't imagine that this is just a coincidence. With only a single failure among all of our girls, to have it land on Seto would seem to imply ridiculously bad luck for her.
On the other hand, if this is some kind of clue about Seto, I have no idea what we can possibly do about it. Forcing her to stay in Serena's aura seems like a horrible, awful move.
But at the very least, we can talk to her about this. What is it that Seto felt in there that seemed to cause her to lock up? In fact, it doesn't even seem possible to be the "known" issue, because that was a breakdown that happened after she left the aura, the first time.
What would happen if we could cause the teleporter demons to lock up like that?
[X] Have Mami spend an evening talking with Seto about what happened when she was in Serena's aura.
Wasn't it that she went literally catatonic, alternating with GTFO, while under the full effect, and not post? Might have something to do with the wish or character, rather than a generic teleporter response, if you ask me.
Wasn't it that she went literally catatonic, alternating with GTFO, while under the full effect, and not post? Might have something to do with the wish or character, rather than a generic teleporter response, if you ask me.
Maybe so, but even then, I'm thinking we shouldn't ignore it. We shouldn't be ignoring problems our girls have, or relegating them to "known issue; not important". It was brought up as a problem, but Mami never tried to work those issues out with her during the update. That's really bad form, but also clearly means that we need to actively choose to do so.
I'm just as guilty as anyone, as far as the initial planning went, but that event really stood out to me when re-reading things tonight, so I'd like to rectify things while we're still early in the month.
Maybe so, but even then, I'm thinking we shouldn't ignore it. We shouldn't be ignoring problems our girls have, or relegating them to "known issue; not important". It was brought up as a problem, but Mami never tried to work those issues out with her during the update. That's really bad form, but also clearly means that we need to actively choose to do so.
I'm just as guilty as anyone, as far as the initial planning went, but that event really stood out to me when re-reading things tonight, so I'd like to rectify things while we're still early in the month.
Maybe so, but even then, I'm thinking we shouldn't ignore it. We shouldn't be ignoring problems our girls have, or relegating them to "known issue; not important". It was brought up as a problem, but Mami never tried to work those issues out with her during the update. That's really bad form, but also clearly means that we need to actively choose to do so.
I'm just as guilty as anyone, as far as the initial planning went, but that event really stood out to me when re-reading things tonight, so I'd like to rectify things while we're still early in the month.
This is more of a writing choice. Response to Serena's aura is variable across your girls, but mostly within an acceptable band beneath the level of abstraction. Seto is notable because she's an elite so bears specific significance to your plans and thus gets more screentime. Though on the other end of the variance Hainako can shrug off the normal effects pretty easily.
Seto has the hardest time because she feels responsible for the deaths of her girls. She isn't supposed to be happy.
Your Tokyo girls didn't really get much exposure to Serena. You were training for the operation, so I figured it discluded those that wouldn't be involved.
As a way to ensure that this happens, I think we might need to teach Serena how to make anchors. If we start making hope-bombs, we can try popping them all over Tokyo to herd the Class 3s in the direction we want them to go.
Alternatively, we could use Hope Bombs for my ambush idea. Which would also let us do things without having a teleporter have dangerous amounts of exposure to Serena's aura.
They want many different answers to arise. It's the same reason they wouldn't spread your hunting manual. They want to see if other people come up with better ideas than you when not contaminated by your ideas focusing their researching.
And probably if we can come up with better ideas than other groups when not contaminated with their research, too. Yeah, from their perspective that's perfectly valid.
And now I'm imagining Mami asking Kyuubey in character this stuff and getting this response and reacting the same way as TheEyes and Me, and Kyuubey being pleasantly surprised by how understanding Mami is.
Except it's making heavy use of the Device. I mean basically all Nanoha spells are made possible by the Device doing much of the heavy lifting. At least that's my understanding. And it presumably has some sort of database about magic that it can use to put together most things the user could want.
Even with a homemade device, that's still millions of man hours behind developing the magic system Teana's using and the know how of how to make a Device. We have less than a hundred girls who have been cooperating with each other for about 2.5 years.
