Meguca Micro Empire Quest (PMMM)

What should I do regarding a change in system?

  • Notgreat's proposed simplification of hunting, leave rest intact.

    Votes: 5 55.6%
  • Chapter system vastly simplifying everything.

    Votes: 4 44.4%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
Added the 3 cubes to the training action, per assessment of heavy magical use.

Took Mami off the Serena diplomacy action, given that that's pretty much sealed. Added her to the Safe Passage action, which now puts me in the same overflow position as Haman.

Dropping Kyouko's charm production to 0.5 elite to fix the overcommit. That would put us back at neutral meguca allocation, and we can start considering other tradeoffs now.
 
See, my feeling is that if we want something like that, we'd be better off using the abandoned village for it.

So why not skip getting the Akiya house, and just get the abandoned village when we want something like that?

Also everyone is still ignoring that fact that $30,000 for the Akiya house, followed by $50,000 for the village is money we don't have right now.

Furthermore, I'd assume a 5 to 6 month delay at best before we could afford to start work on the village.

That means 8 to 9 months worth of Serena in the Akiya house, with a constant threat of a bad incident with innocent people?

No I think we have to either forgo armor and get the village right now, and require Serena to camp out for a month until it's ready. Or it's go fro the Getaway house, leverage ourselves into a negative cash flow position, but gaining us the cash on hand to expand into Tokyo aggressively enough that we ought to be profitable before we run out of savings.

If we get the Akiya house, we can't afford the armor, and we can't afford the village for a significant length of time, resulting in an unacceptable risk to innocents.
 
Furthermore, I'd assume a 5 to 6 month delay at best before we could afford to start work on the village.

That means 8 to 9 months worth of Serena in the Akiya house, with a constant threat of a bad incident with innocent people?
Why are you setting the move-in delay at 3 months? helix only said that we couldn't move in during the same month we bought it. The implication is that if we buy it in month 1, we can have it done enough to move in in month 2. I'd guess one month of work per additional house repaired.
 
An odd and possibly useful thought; can the beholder exclude chosen teleporters from it's effect, or does it interdict demons too?
 
I want to argue again for coordinating with Tokyo this month. If they are hard to get ahold of and don't check messages often, then it's even more important that we start early, and not the day before the invasion starts. I am also certain that it we try to fight that Class 4 without significant backup, either in the form of Nagoya or Tokyo, then we will be taking significant losses and may well lose Serena herself, in which case we're screwed. I say we try to contact people in Tokyo this month, and if we can't get half of more of them to coordinate then we may have to bite the bullet and enlist Nagoya next month.
 
Looks like both he and @Kinematics are overdrawn on meguca. The thing is that we really, really need to get a house in the village to a livable state within 2-3 months if we're going with the Getaway house to start, unless we want to roll the dice on Akiya: Getaway is $120k a year, and that's going to drain us dry really quickly, to the point that we wouldn't be able to afford the village at all.
The point is that this will be the first piece of property that we actually own, and can alter as we like. Build it, and the uses will come. The Church will be another such place, but I don't think it is one we will be able to get this year, given everything else we have to do.
Yes, ownership is definitely a factor. We can rent the getaway for a few months while we work on getting the village usable, but at the end of that we have nothing to show for it. That $30k or so just disappeared. Or we can spend $30k and have something we own permanently. Even if we just let it sit in the background after that, that's still an asset that we can use at any point in the future.

Also, more ideas on how to secure the Akiya location:

1) Monitor systems. Motion sensors near the entry roadways, and security cameras, with a warning sounded if anything showed up. Cost: money to buy all this, Downside: money to set it up, potential false alarms.

2) Guard duty. Set a magical girl on overwatch for the area, allowing her to notify Serena if anyone approaches. Cost: meguca resources, possibly supplementary monitoring systems. Only have to maintain this until we're ready in the village, so presumably a few months at most.

Anyway, just more ideas for how to deal with the issue.
 
When was it said the beholder was a class 4?
It's power is unusual and drastically more effective than most elite meguca's abilities (which class 3 powers are apparently molded from). It's likely that it insta-kills girls with interdiction, and the number of kills it's probably made due to that have made it extremely fat on power. Since there's been no reported sightings of more of them, it's gorging without sharing, and has probably evolved to class 4. Also, assume the worst, hope for the best, and expect everything in between.
 
When was it said the beholder was a class 4?
One of helix's notes had an Incubator comment about potential, but unconfirmed, class 4 activity. Given the beholder's powers, it's the most likely to fall in that category. Thus we assume it's a class 4, because not doing so and not being prepared for the potential risk would likely kill us.
 
Yes, ownership is definitely a factor. We can rent the getaway for a few months while we work on getting the village usable, but at the end of that we have nothing to show for it. That $30k or so just disappeared. Or we can spend $30k and have something we own permanently. Even if we just let it sit in the background after that, that's still an asset that we can use at any point in the future.

The Akiya house does also cost some upkeep. $300 a month. If we aren't using it every month, then how much gain do we get from it?

Plus, I'm leaning towards just getting the Getaway and keeping it. Sometimes it's worth paying the extra money to not have to worry about extra complications. Tokyo should give us enough of an income that the Getaway is affordable.

1) Monitor systems. Motion sensors near the entry roadways, and security cameras, with a warning sounded if anything showed up. Cost: money to buy all this, Downside: money to set it up, potential false alarms.

Also, Serene and Co. have to constantly evacuate if someone comes around? That sounds like a pretty huge cost.
 
I guess we could try switching 0.5 Kyouko to hunting to free up a vet to take over for Mami in the Safe Passage deal? That would mean giving up the illusion charms. Or maybe cut the number of healing charms in half?
We can still use some meguca next month to supplement charm production. My current bare-bones estimate for next month has 16.5 free vets for the expedition, though with 3 vets producing charms. No charm production would obviously allow for almost 20 vets. It depends on how many people we're actually committing on having in place.

Hmm, and I suppose if it doesn't work out we can then we're committing to Serena camping out in the village for 6-7 months while we build up enough of a nest egg to renovate a house for her?
I think that would largely kill the deal, as we're breaking a large part of our promise. For a couple weeks? Sure. Wouldn't be happy, but it's doable. For 6-7 months? Uh, no.

Funny how for a while you guys kept thinking money didn't have much use and now you're tight on funds.
Oh, it always had use; we just didn't have enough to do anything useful. We could buy lots of little things and limit our growth to the point where we could never afford anything big. And anything important costs far more than we had available (eg: Kyouko's church, village renovation, house purchases, significant permanent assets, etc). So we were stuck in that limbo of not being able to afford small things or big things. Without recent gains from trade, we'd be in a complete crap situation right now.

Though on that note I'll just be over here maniacally laughing behind my GM screen at your current optimism.
/dreads the courier expansion completely tanking
/dreads failure of Tokyo expedition (because of lack of assistance?)

So... calculating the cost of buying armor:

16 set of hard leather (assuming a S350 cost) + 24 Kevlar Vests = $20,000

That would allow equipping 19 girls with full Kevlar and 25 girls with hard leather + vest. (35 Vets, 4 Elites, and 5 for Serena & Co.)

25 sets of Kevlar Clothing + 24 Kevlar Vests = $39,400

That would allow equipping all 39 girls with full kevlar.
Can you lay out again how you think we should approach the Tokyo plan? 39 girls would seem to imply we're doing this as a half-time activity, as we can't really afford to pull that many off full-time.

Also, why are only 4 of our elites getting full kevlar?
 
Though I suppose that's another thing we can do: Ask Kyuubey about the potential class 4.

Oh, yes. I keep meaning to add this to the requests for the incubators.

We can still use some meguca next month to supplement charm production. My current bare-bones estimate for next month has 16.5 free vets for the expedition, though with 3 vets producing charms. No charm production would obviously allow for almost 20 vets. It depends on how many people we're actually committing on having in place.

I think we need to have a major commitment to this. At least for the first two weeks I think we ought to have at least 35 vets to support Serena. After that we could cut back a little, assuming we've killed the beholder. That's one of the reasons I was thinking we might want to hunt our territory to 0 DS, and possibly hire some vets from Kofu and Area 15/16 to hunt in our territory.

Ought to be possible...

Can you lay out again how you think we should approach the Tokyo plan? 39 girls would seem to imply we're doing this as a half-time activity, as we can't really afford to pull that many off full-time.

Also, why are only 4 of our elites getting full kevlar?

We only have 4 elites?

Yeah, let's brainstorm a bit more on the details for the attacking plan (although it would help to have that Nagoya expedition data).
 
Looking at money again. First, without specifying Serena's housing.

Money:
Income: $69,590 (bank) + $35,500 (income) + $77,000 (trade) = $182,090
Expenses: $30,620 (upkeep) + $11,500 (buying cubes) + $1,000 (advertising) + $5,000 (propaganda) + $6,000 (video conferencing) = $54,120
Final: $127,970

Note that we may be limited on the cube trade money due to additional cube costs.

First: $50,000 expense next month, if we clear out Tokyo. We're being optimistic on that goal, perhaps too much so. Serena's power makes it seem like it should be possible, though, particularly if we can draw in extra assistance from the local elites and/or Nagoya.

Second: Even if we clear Tokyo, DS is still negative, and will be difficult to get positive with the remaining meguca population. This will likely be a significant negative malus on attempts to expand business there.

Third: Assuming the remaining meguca's first priority is to hunt Tokyo's DS back up to 0, and that there are 30 elites and 900 others (50% vet, 50% green), their total hunting capability would raise DS from -10 to just -6.6 if every single one of them was on hunting (thus, no dispatch bonus).

If we assign dispatchers at a rate of 1 dispatcher per 25 territory (I don't remember if our dispatcher rate was per 20 or 30), we'd need 69 dispatchers, and they'd provide a 25% hunting bonus (due to lack of experience). Of course, our dispatchers were using bicycles to mitigate the territory size malus, so I'll be extra conservative and drop the coverage rate to 1 per 15 territory. That requires 115 dispatchers, leaving us 785 non-elite hunters.

That gets us up to a -5.2 demon strength. And absolutely no meguca free to handle jobs. Of course, that's using pack hunting. Switching to pairs for vets and greens (elites were already solo), 380 vets + 380 greens + 30 elites could raise the demon strength to 0.3. Decent enough to be workable (and low demon strength means it's safe), but still no one free for extra stuff like jobs.

On the month following that, 30 solo elites, 380 vets in pairs, and 40 greens in packs could hunt DS at a neutral level. Another 115 are still on dispatch, but overall it frees up almost 250 girls, enough people to start working.

The primary first-month hunt would harvest about 2600 cubes, or about a 2x buffer for every single girl in the territory. After that, they'd need to hunt about twice as many cubes as there are girls in order to keep DS stable. The Incubators would certainly be back on the recruiting path, but there would be an enormous cube buffer so people didn't need to worry about competition for the time being.


So, I think the first thing to do is drop the anticipated courier expansion as part of the actions planned during the Tokyo expedition. That's just not feasible until we get the demon strength back under control, and that will take a full month of focused hunting to accomplish. At the same time, if we get control of a lot of this territory, we can sell extra cubes like candy.
 
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Actually, swearing Fealty to Nagoya might not be too bad. If we integrate significant parts of Tokyo and they vassalize the rest, then if we were also a vassal that would give us diplomatic ins to eventually absorb the rest of tokyo as they see us doing better in terms of quality and quantity of life.

We're also big enough we'd probably be able to negotiate a relatively sweet feudal contract.

Still, that should probably be a last resort type thing.
 
Continuing the above thought: We only need to sell 5 cubes per month at $2000 each to pay for the getaway house for Serena. As much as I thought we couldn't afford it before, if we end up with a strong position in Tokyo, the excess cubes sales could pay for her housing as almost an afterthought.

Of course the price of cubes would drop dramatically with that large of a glut, but even 10 cubes at $1000 per cube would be a trivial exchange.

So if we anticipate being able to take control of a large portion of Tokyo (or even a small portion, really), I think we'll be in a perfectly fine position to go with the getaway as the primary housing option for Serena. We can then follow that up with the various business expansions to help support things on a mundane level.

I'd still like to get the village, just because, but it would be a long-term pet project at best. We'd be focusing on the church first.
 
I am also certain that it we try to fight that Class 4 without significant backup, either in the form of Nagoya or Tokyo

According to the Kyuubey summary of Demon Strength, a Class 4 only needs about 15 Elites to reliably kill. Serena both buffs our vets up to at least elite level, and weakens demons. We plan to have a rapid reaction force of at least 15 girls to back up Serena.

I think your fears are overblown.
 
See, my feeling is that if we want something like that, we'd be better off using the abandoned village for it.

So why not skip getting the Akiya house, and just get the abandoned village when we want something like that?
Having both the Akiya house and the village means that we could do things that require a remote residence without worrying about Serena's aura.

We need to get something for this month, either the Getaway house or the Akiya house. The Getaway house costs $10,000 per month with nothing to show for it afterwards, but the Akiya house gives us a permanent resource. Which plan is better depends on how much we value having the Akiya house as a resource and how long it would take to renovate the village.

Also everyone is still ignoring that fact that $30,000 for the Akiya house, followed by $50,000 for the village is money we don't have right now.

Furthermore, I'd assume a 5 to 6 month delay at best before we could afford to start work on the village.

That means 8 to 9 months worth of Serena in the Akiya house, with a constant threat of a bad incident with innocent people?
The isolation level of the Akiya is:
It's currently as isolated as you want, but there's still a couple other akiya in the area that people occasionally look at.
People looking at the Akiya would be rare, and simply looking shouldn't give enough exposure to be a problem. It's only a problem if someone actually moves in. We could simply ask Serena's gang to keep an eye on the other Akiya; if someone actually moves in, then we can deal with that situation (by evacuating Serena to the village or by convincing the interlopers to leave or whatever), but a bad incident where someone dies is incredibly unlikely.

Or we could simply buy all of the Akiya, only renovating the one, but committing to pay the taxes on the others for as long as it takes Serena to move out.
 
helix has vetoed that plan for game balance reasons.
Sorry, there has been a lot of discussion and I skimmed through a lot of it.

According to the Kyuubey summary of Demon Strength, a Class 4 only needs about 15 Elites to reliably kill. Serena both buffs our vets up to at least elite level, and weakens demons. We plan to have a rapid reaction force of at least 15 girls to back up Serena.

I think your fears are overblown.
Note that Kyuubey's estimates do not take casualties into account. 15 Elites may be able to kill a Class 4, but how many of them would die in the process? We want to have overwhelming force when we attack the Beholder.
 
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