Field Commander [C&C/Worm]
- Thread starter UltimatePaladin
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I mean, this seems to me a bit of a situation where majority of the player-base, some who only focus on the update and then posting their first feelings, needs to actively fight against just couple of dudes who did release slaves into the common streets of Brocton Bay. The likelihood that enough will notice or understand the repercussions before the actual turn is posted, isn't that likely... somewhat of an downer.
I can understand where you are coming from but please, I am more worried about in-game retaliation than any moralistic licence. Don't harm the game by accident.
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The slave miner ban isn't about morality, it's about how it screws us over.
Katsuragi
The 1%
It's not harming the game. It will likely make thing a touch more "interesting" in the "halping" kinda way, but it's not voting to go shoot up the PRT or commit suicide.
It should also be rather polarizing. If after the coming updates shenanigans you don't have 2/3rds vote to ban slaves then it's very clear you don't have sufficent backing for it.
It should also be rather polarizing. If after the coming updates shenanigans you don't have 2/3rds vote to ban slaves then it's very clear you don't have sufficent backing for it.
Besides, you would think that slavery would automatically be something that would be banned, wouldn't it?
If we agreed with all of the other things we shouldn't be doing, shouldn't the commander consider the possibility that "You know: maybe they would naturally ban slavery too right? I mean, three out of five people that make me didn't use slavery for certain, one was a terrorist organization and the using official slaves was following a brain-raping, world-conquering asshole who drew civilians into huge grinders to get resources."
If we agreed with all of the other things we shouldn't be doing, shouldn't the commander consider the possibility that "You know: maybe they would naturally ban slavery too right? I mean, three out of five people that make me didn't use slavery for certain, one was a terrorist organization and the using official slaves was following a brain-raping, world-conquering asshole who drew civilians into huge grinders to get resources."
Guess what? The rest of the questers do not want you to be intentionally making the game interesting like this!
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Really? Because the ban was first started by a guy who was like "I'LL RELEASE THE SLAVES SO THEY WILL WORK WILLINGLY FOR US!" instead of say, TALKING to the guy that had that vote up in a respectful manner.
The rules didn't ban us using projections.
We cannot release the slaves nor kill them, they are there in the quantum state or whatever it is regardless. Every day they would return. So why not use them?
They aren't citizens of this world. They have no legal standing here.
And I'm changing my policy vote back because the anti-slavery crowd isn't getting the message. If you can't understand you did bad and be respectful, well, things happen.
I was the one who did the first ban vote and I didn't do that.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Trondason was the one that got the ball rolling.
The fact that some voted for it because of moral reasons, does not mean that many do not see the use of our slaves as a liability.
Aren't the projection still moaning periodically about their slavery?
We can still decide to not use them so the government won't have additional grievances with us.
Neither are we citizen. Do you really, really want to use the slave miners with that defense?
I don't give two shits about the 'morality' of Slave Minors so much as the potential public relations backlash.
Just putting my two cents out there.
Just putting my two cents out there.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
I didn't want to use slave miners at all. But now it's where I have to stand with the people for it because the people against it have been utterly disrespectful and moved to try to teamkill and take options away instead of talking it out peacefully.
There was ONE slave miner vote before friendly fire was attempted. And it was doing a job. And Veekie himself would've been willing to change...
If people hadn't gone about things the COMPLETELY WRONG WAY.
Admit faults, change and do better and who knows what might happen? I heartily suggest it.
Because, preaching at me and others about how we're going to ruin everything? We know how that's going to end.
There was ONE slave miner vote before friendly fire was attempted. And it was doing a job. And Veekie himself would've been willing to change...
If people hadn't gone about things the COMPLETELY WRONG WAY.
Admit faults, change and do better and who knows what might happen? I heartily suggest it.
Because, preaching at me and others about how we're going to ruin everything? We know how that's going to end.
Katsuragi
The 1%
Mm. And I disagree with some choices that other quests make.
Welcome to questing, that's how things roll.
Welcome to Riot questing, where that's how things roll that much harder.
People vote for things and make decisions you dislike.
A 2/3 voting count could invalidate the votes you dislike. Looks like it's not happening this chapter (but very likely next chapter. If not, despite the silly things that will happen this chapter, clearly 2/3 don't agree with you.)
Deal.
minimap_op
plsnerf
- Location
- Lower Lefthand Corner
Just because people agree that slaves need to be banned doesn't mean they agree with the reason.
Bullshit. Seriously you guys are just being petty fucking dicks to half the fucking voters because one guy ruffled your fucking feathers.
We lack the ability to seed or control the spread of Tibet at this time.
So because one or two people were being disrespectful, few people are now intentionally going against them even in the face of highly probably repercussions?
Guess what: the rest of the questers didn't try Friendly Fire! Do not try to defend the situation by the means of one voter who went bonkers!
Wrong way how? People are voting to ban slaves from slave miners because they feel the results are going to be negative for too small a gain.
Stop. Claiming. That I. Did. These. Things!
Normally riot-voters are actually attempting to improve things, not intentionally sabotaging the next turn!
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UltimatePaladin
Aspiring Creator
Re: Whole Discussion
I said that people who didn't vote (which make up most of the defense [those who want slaves to come out of Slave Miners]) must not have seen a reason to change. However, with the inclusion of an Abstain vote and the fact that some people say they really don't care about it (and just didn't bother to include it in) is making me reconsider whether or not to count the non-votes as against or just abstaining from voting.
Given precedent on the quest (People not voting on something abstain from the subject,) I will go with the latter.
I said that people who didn't vote (which make up most of the defense [those who want slaves to come out of Slave Miners]) must not have seen a reason to change. However, with the inclusion of an Abstain vote and the fact that some people say they really don't care about it (and just didn't bother to include it in) is making me reconsider whether or not to count the non-votes as against or just abstaining from voting.
Given precedent on the quest (People not voting on something abstain from the subject,) I will go with the latter.
Just woke up.
I hope i am not too late then. Stupid shenanigan on policy. It should be implied in the *dont use because its bad* agrement with the prt.
[X]changing vote.
[X][John]
-[X] Give him the choice. He could become a Initiate or Brute now, or wait till we got more Barracks and options.
[X][Meeting] (Director)
-[X] Personal Touch.
--[X] QM's Idea
[X][Riot] GDI Riot Trooper
-[X] Join the patrols
[X][Policy] Ban Slaves from Slave Miners
I hope i am not too late then. Stupid shenanigan on policy. It should be implied in the *dont use because its bad* agrement with the prt.
[X]changing vote.
[X][John]
-[X] Give him the choice. He could become a Initiate or Brute now, or wait till we got more Barracks and options.
[X][Meeting] (Director)
-[X] Personal Touch.
--[X] QM's Idea
[X][Riot] GDI Riot Trooper
-[X] Join the patrols
[X][Policy] Ban Slaves from Slave Miners
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Asmodemus
Subversive Element
It sure seems that way. Of course, maybe if any of you tried to actually talk to the people with the slave miner votes, request they change, politely, without yelling about how they're ruining everything?
Well, seems the thing is moot now. Majority abstain or vote against it, so you probably win!
Try to avoid preaching at people in the future to avoid such close calls. Spite is a powerful force.
UltimatePaladin
Aspiring Creator
I had no idea what I was thinking when I made the non-voters against the vote. They should have just been counted as abstained.
On that note, Votes Closed. Can I get a vote tally please?
minimap_op
plsnerf
- Location
- Lower Lefthand Corner
Probably thinking about people missing an important policy vote that started midway through voting not finding out about it until it's over or even jerks trying to push through a policy by starting it up when few people are paying attention.
I can see reasons for either one and both can be abused so it probably should be open to change by you on a case by case basis if you think people are trying to abuse it.
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- Norway
Heh, so if I ask you, politely, to not go for Cyborg as a means to unleash Tiberium on the world you would comply?
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Heh, so if I ask you, politely, to not go for Cyborg as a means to unleash Tiberium on the world you would comply?
I would consider your views and be willing to debate you on the matter.
I feel that we cannot rely on our grinder economy forever and that with tinkers and thinkers and a 30+ year to armageddon by green crystal window(far longer than even the best estimates before Scion goes insane and kills everyone), along with using concrete and walls to fence in tiberium fields, we can use it greatly as a resource that is desperately needed, both by ourselves and by the local governments of the world who are feeling the strain as the endbringers and parahumans slowly grind down their resources.
With us having access to the World Altering Missile basically confirmed by our GM, and it's use being solely limited on us managing to spread enough tiberium to make it viable, I feel that we should put some effort on selling divination as an idea to the governments of the world. And I feel that all this is worth the occasional idiot managing to get into a field or theft by a third party that lacks our superior tib harvesting and refining technologies.
Once we've established ourselves somewhat of course for all that.