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Ok, I suspect that Taylor just went from "Prime Asset" to "Guard Her from EVERYTHING, with everything INCLUDING not just YOUR life, but the lives of your next three generations of unborn children"

When Brenden realizes Taylor can REVERSE ENGINEER TINKERTECH, I figure their Budget will go from "High Secret Billions" to "Blank Check mark 3.0"
Blank Check 1.0 - Just write however much you want here, but things still need to be paid for.
Blank Check 2.0 - Just tell us what you want and it's yours, we'll figure out how to pay later.
Blank Check 3.0 - Like 2.0 except the guys devoted to you all have Blank Check 2.0 budgets.
 
Anyways, we now know why the F-35 program was so delayed:
It was to both integrate new tech from Taylor and to fund GravTech' research, not to handle an Stargate.
 
Hmm, actually, now I wonder if the red-headed miss is actually his protege or something, he left his work to her when he retired.

Might actually be his -daughter-, and isn't -that- a scary thought?

Uh, that's not how that works. Iron is useless for a fission or fusion bomb, because to fuse it requires more energy than it outputs, and fission isn't much better.

And you can't just... blow up a star by throwing iron at it. You'd need to remove the lower sequence elements. And the amount of mass we are talking about is... immense.

A supernovae isn't the result of trying to fuse iron. It's the result of solar energy output finally exceeding solar gravity holding it together. It's basically a very big hiccup. Which makes it a super inefficient explosion.

As noted above, you are somewhat correct, but also wrong. Once iron starts building up in the core of the star, that's a death sentence. Iron that hot tends to do two things: suck up energy necessary for maintaining the core during fusion into heavier elements, and removal of electrons in the process. This removes -both- legs that the core stands on, electron degeneracy pressure (which keeps White Dwarfs from collapsing further), -and- the heat-energy of the core itself, using gas pressure to support the star's enormous weight.

Without either of those around anymore, the entire star falls inward, with the iron core compressing into a solid mass of neutrons. this process produces so many neutrinos that the energy density is enough to halt the infall of the rest of the star, and -blast- it outwards. If the core's mass at this point is above a certain threshold, then even neutron degeneracy pressure can't keep up (which supports neutron stars as essentially 20km atomic nuclei), then the core collapses a bit further, and the escape velocity at the surface reaches C, and you have a black hole.

As such, Supernovae (at least, core collapse supernovae) are fairly efficient explosions, since roughly 80% of the star's total mass (if not vastly more) gets blasted outwards as a tremendous shockwave of radiation, random new elements, and possibly large chunks of heavy elements, forged in the infernal heat of the supernova's wrath. I'm not sure of the actual percentage of the star's mass that's converted into energy here, but you seem to have gotten the wrong impression:

When a supernova lights off, there's NOTHING LEFT of the star, except the gravitationally compressed core, either as a neutron star, or as a black hole. The supernova is triggered by the CESSATION of energy output, causing a massive gravitational core-collapse and subsequent shockwave through the infalling outer layers creating secondary thermonuclear fusion events. That's where most of the world's elements heavier than iron came from: from the tremendous heat generated when the core-collapse shockwave slammed outwards into the infalling outer layers.
 
Or whatever they want to be invisible. Coffee cups? Why not.

There is no way this can go wrong.

"Dennis!" Missy hissed. "What did you do!?!"

"I downloaded the new invisibility app for my Gravtec phone," the redhead whispered back.

"It's a Simurgh Plot! I know it! Her and the Illuminati, and David Bowie! You're all controlled! But I'm still free! I'll stop her! I'll stop you allllllllllll!!!!!"

Meanwhile, outside the internal-size-expanded shoebox they where hiding in, another division's worth of PRT troopers, backed up by Assault, Battery, half a dozen Dragonsuits and Piggot's angry glaring, charged the bezerk form of a caffeine-deprived Armsmaster.
 
He indicated the folder with one hand. "You've read that. Everything you are cleared to know is in it, and as I've explained, it clearly shows that Parahuman abilities are not involved. DARPA is very good, you realize, and they were extremely thorough in their tests."

She almost snorted. "This tells me nothing about the actual person, all data has been anonymized, and I've got no idea even how old your alleged genius is. Or even if it's one person or a group."

"I know. That's rather the point." He looked mildly amused.

Both of them stared at each other for a while, no one else interrupting although the small audience seemed interested in what would happen next.

"I find this entire situation both highly irregular and more than a little irritating," Costa-Brown finally commented with something of a glare. "And I'm certain that you're hiding things that we should be involved in."

"I can't help that, Chief Director," the man replied evenly. "You are free to feel that way. The fact remains that by direct order of the President, advised by the Chiefs of Staff, this matter is not something that concerns the PRT and isn't likely to become such, at least in the short term. I've told you all I am allowed to, that'll have to do."

Costa-Brown has been notified that Tayler's identity is Classified and there is only one person who can grant her permision to be read in, the President. Attempts to circumvent this could be viewed as espionage.

If she persists Gravtech could also go the PR route and hold press conference concerning her harrassment of the company and the possible hindering of Brockton Bays economic recovery in her attempts to unmask a fictitious tinker responsible for their tech. Tech that is reproducible with the proper facilities, maintainable with the proper trainer, and intelligible with the proper education which marks it as distinctly not tinker tech.
 
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If she persists Gravtech could also go the PR route and hold press conference concerning her harrassment of the company and the possible hindering of Brockton Bays economic recovery in her attempts to unmask a fictitious tinker responsible for their tech. Tech that is reproducible with the proper facilities, maintainable with the proper trainer, and intelligible with the proper education which marks it as distinctly not tinker tech.

Be kind of funny if she gets called out for breaking the Unwritten Rules by trying to out a Cape.

For irony's sake, all the complaints from Protectorate Capes about RCB's actions get passed up to Alexandria.
 
Her stuff isn't, no. But if @edale is correct, (and it is of course your decision whether they are in your story) then the fact Taylor is analyzing Tinker Tech at all would give the PRT a jurisdictional foot in the door.

Why? They don't have jurisdiction over any other scientist or engineer who analyzes and attempts to reverse engineer the stuff. The tinker who made the initial tech, yes. The tinkertech it's self, yes if it's used in the committing of a crime. Taylor is neither a Tinker, nor is she using tinker tech to commit a crime. She is studying it, figuring out how it clearly must work (despite it being black boxed to the extent it doesn't work the way it should), then building better versions while documenting how and why it works. And with that documentation and engineering notes, anyone with the right training could build it. That last part means that what she builts is not tinker tech, it's real technology. Thus despite what Costa-Brown might claim, not under the PRT's jurisdiction.
 
Why? They don't have jurisdiction over any other scientist or engineer who analyzes and attempts to reverse engineer the stuff. The tinker who made the initial tech, yes. The tinkertech it's self, yes if it's used in the committing of a crime. Taylor is neither a Tinker, nor is she using tinker tech to commit a crime. She is studying it, figuring out how it clearly must work (despite it being black boxed to the extent it doesn't work the way it should), then building better versions while documenting how and why it works. And with that documentation and engineering notes, anyone with the right training could build it. That last part means that what she builts is not tinker tech, it's real technology. Thus despite what Costa-Brown might claim, not under the PRT's jurisdiction.
the thing is that she used tinkertech to make her tech so technically the tech she made could be considered under PRT jurisdiction, the problem is not that she is creating tech the thing is that she is using tinkertech to make her tech
 
Meanwhile, outside the internal-size-expanded shoebox they where hiding in, another division's worth of PRT troopers, backed up by Assault, Battery, half a dozen Dragonsuits and Piggot's angry glaring, charged the bezerk form of a caffeine-deprived Armsmaster.
For those who are about to die we salute you.

Never mess with the coffee machine at work people its the fastest way for you to get an angry mob on your ass.
 
Why? They don't have jurisdiction over any other scientist or engineer who analyzes and attempts to reverse engineer the stuff. The tinker who made the initial tech, yes. The tinkertech it's self, yes if it's used in the committing of a crime. Taylor is neither a Tinker, nor is she using tinker tech to commit a crime. She is studying it, figuring out how it clearly must work (despite it being black boxed to the extent it doesn't work the way it should), then building better versions while documenting how and why it works. And with that documentation and engineering notes, anyone with the right training could build it. That last part means that what she builts is not tinker tech, it's real technology. Thus despite what Costa-Brown might claim, not under the PRT's jurisdiction.
Yeah, no.
Thus despite what Costa-Brown might claim, not under the PRT's jurisdiction.
If RCB is really pushing hard, she'll at least be able to try. Try is the key word here, the government will shut her down. If she tries to double down with other assets, that will make her extremely suspicious to the other agencies(what are the odds that she tries to push jurisdiction, fails and then a bunch of "deniable" actors start trying to acquire information).
 
the thing is that she used tinkertech to make her tech so technically the tech she made could be considered under PRT jurisdiction, the problem is not that she is creating tech the thing is that she is using tinkertech to make her tech
No. She did not use tinker tech to make anything. She looked at the gidgets and gadgets, yanked the tinker-tech portion and re-engineered it to not require the tinker blackboxing.

Edit to avoid double post: She basically looked at it, wondered how many drunken monkeys it took to build/design and did it the right way.
 
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Doesn't matter, she can at least try to interfere. There are a lot of tricks and I would not be surprised to see that Cauldron(they are not stupid, just unsuited to their job; we also know that they have passed a lot of laws in regards to parahumans) pushed a lot of laws that may help snarl any response to her claims(said laws are likely to get waived or outright voided soon after though). All that matters is that she convinces enough people to help her at least temporarily. At that point, the government will have to shut her down hard.
 
I would find it hilarious if she went to the Pentagon to try and force the hand of the Joint Chiefs and end up tripping new parahuman sensors they had installed curtissy of Taylor.
 
The chapter where in Thomas/Coil is captured and the events surrounding said chapter appear to be the beginning of a chain of events that could lead to a shadow war between Cauldron and DARPA.

I would find it hilarious if she went to the Pentagon to try and force the hand of the Joint Chiefs and end up tripping new parahuman sensors they had installed curtissy of Taylor.

Yes, that would be hilarious. Even more hilarious would be if spiffy new parahuman sensors led to the discovery of RBC's status as a parahuman.
 
No. She did not use tinker tech to make anything. She looked at the gidgets and gadgets, yanked the tinker-tech portion and re-engineered it to not require the tinker blackboxing.

Edit to avoid double post: She basically looked at it, wondered how many drunken monkeys it took to build/design and did it the right way.
no i meant it as she took inspiration from Tinkertech, like she did not know how it worked, she observed the components and made a item inspired by tinkertech, using said tech as inspiration to make her tech.
 
no i meant it as she took inspiration from Tinkertech, like she did not know how it worked, she observed the components and made a item inspired by tinkertech, using said tech as inspiration to make her tech.
That seems to me to be too broad of a definition for tinker tech. At that point you could argue that anything more advanced than a flint knife is under their jurisdiction.
 
So people wanting instant shitty copout action often confuses me as they want and expect fights and battle in places where they really shouldn't be. Like daytime TV, soupopra's, and gritty reboot cartoons. You know, the bad ones we all ingore.
"No fights? Ugh. Filler chapter."
It must be nice to argue against arguments you strawmanned into existence.
Reread what I responded to, a general statement that I gave a general response. It touched on one of my peeves, that storytelling has to be all fanservice all the time to be worthwhile. I may have misunderstood what they said but it didn't look specific to this thread or it's dissenting readers to me.

It must be nice to think everyone's talking about you.
 
That's where most of the world's elements heavier than iron came from: from the tremendous heat generated when the core-collapse shockwave slammed outwards into the infalling outer layers.

pssst: "all". Try "all" of the world's elements heavier than iron. Yes, all Earth's core were belong to them, as well as the much vaster quantities needed to give later-generation stars a visible metallicity percentage.

--Dave, well, except for a statistically insignificant percentage originating from the areas around black holes, quasars, cosmic strings, and other things far too dangerous to touch these days
 
pssst: "all". Try "all" of the world's elements heavier than iron. Yes, all Earth's core were belong to them, as well as the much vaster quantities needed to give later-generation stars a visible metallicity percentage.

--Dave, well, except for a statistically insignificant percentage originating from the areas around black holes, quasars, cosmic strings, and other things far too dangerous to touch these days
Actually, a sizable portion of transferric elements comes from events called 'kilonovae' which occur with the collision of neutron stars.
 
Reread what I responded to, a general statement that I gave a general response.
Once again, it has literally never been said by the group of people who have criticisms of this story that it needs more fights. You're, even at this remove, even with this fig leaf hung on that you're responding to some "general statement" that was never actually stated, conflating the shard definition of [CONFLICT] with the human narrative definition of conflict.

Please, for fuck's sake, stop.

...This thread is going to do so much more to drive me off of this story than the story itself ever could.
 
Actually, a sizable portion of transferric elements comes from events called 'kilonovae' which occur with the collision of neutron stars.

Oh, variants on Type 1a, that knock some of the neutrons away to massively decay into microscopic bits? ...I can see that, okay.

Dave, still falls under my qualification at the end there
 
I think you guys are missing the point; the results of Taylor's research would not be the thing they (immediately) tried to claim control over. Tinker tech is under their purview, and research efforts involving it could reasonably fit into their reach for a number of variably decent reasons.

Once they had a foot in the door as part of overseeing any active tinker tech studies they'd have a fulcrum to try leveraging more access from.

It wouldn't even be a bad one, since tinker tech is dangerous, nonsensical, and typically best handled by tinkers. This could easily be a case where being an out of context problem isn't a benefit; the laws weren't written with the idea that a comic book grade genius might roll up and invalidate many of their basic assumptions.

This would be one of the places where that institutional knife fighting would come into play, though I'd still put my money on the DoD. Without contessa a single law enforcement agency trying to 1 v all the entire national security apparatus is just asking to be buried alive in paperwork and/or indictments.
 
I would find it hilarious if she went to the Pentagon to try and force the hand of the Joint Chiefs and end up tripping new parahuman sensors they had installed curtissy of Taylor.
Yes, that would be hilarious. Even more hilarious would be if spiffy new parahuman sensors led to the discovery of RBC's status as a parahuman.
Want me to add you two to the list?
That seems to me to be too broad of a definition for tinker tech. At that point you could argue that anything more advanced than a flint knife is under their jurisdiction.
Doesn't matter. Agencies always try to increase their reach.
See:
"The bureaucracy expands to meet the never ending needs of the bureaucracy."
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I think you guys are missing the point; the results of Taylor's research would not be the thing they (immediately) tried to claim control over. Tinker tech is under their purview, and research efforts involving it could reasonably fit into their reach for a number of variably decent reasons.

Once they had a foot in the door as part of overseeing any active tinker tech studies they'd have a fulcrum to try leveraging more access from.

It wouldn't even be a bad one, since tinker tech is dangerous, nonsensical, and typically best handled by tinkers. This could easily be a case where being an out of context problem isn't a benefit; the laws weren't written with the idea that a comic book grade genius might roll up and invalidate many of their basic assumptions.

This would be one of the places where that institutional knife fighting would come into play, though I'd still put my money on the DoD. Without contessa a single law enforcement agency trying to 1 v all the entire national security apparatus is just asking to be buried alive in paperwork and/or indictments.
This person gets it. The claim does seem at first glance(if you are willing to allow some distortion if needed) to support the PRT's jurisdiction. Of course, any serious attempts by RCB to push further will quickly run into walls that would be erected by the other agencies and the President.
 
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If it looks like they were going to be forced to accept it, Gravtech might be able to argue PRT/protectorate involvement down to having Armsmaster (most notable local tinker hero) and Dragon (who's thing is also studying tinker-tech) help oversee watch as Taylor reverse-engineers tinkertech they provide. Tinkertech itself stays nominally under their control, Gravtech continues being able to crank out proper versions.

RCB continues to be driven nuts as both of them refuse to disclose the identify of the Primary Asset.
 
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Who wants to bet that Piggot will push for that (no love lost between her and RCB after all)?
Again, never piss off both sides of your chain of command.
 
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