- Pronouns
- They/Them
Eh, we're getting higher bonuses, not lower, in Infrastructure.
Two dice a turn is more than enough.
Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition
- Thread starter Etranger
- Start date
- Sci-Fi
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- Tags
- starcraft plan quest
Eh, we're getting higher bonuses, not lower, in Infrastructure.
Two dice a turn is more than enough.
- Location
- alphen aan den rijn
So we planning both news things or just one?
- Location
- United States
I give it good odds we collect around 2/3 our investment, and that's without the Nat 100. Even if it isn't, it should still tide us over for another turn or two until our income stabilizes.
- Location
- United States
It's either or from my reading. Same with prison reform.
While I'm disappointed my plan lost (although happy about the votes I got), I'm glad I took the time to advocate for shifting dice towards the T&D Works, given it's already starting to save us dice and R.
I'm curious to see what other projects will be affected by this.
We really don't want to make the Dominion fleet stronger. Fleets are how you project power. The last thing anyone should want is to give evil autocrats like Mengsk the ability to enforce their malign will on others.
we absolutely want to make the Dominion fleet stronger
Mengsk is bad yes, but terrans getting wiped out would also be bad.
we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
The key word in that saying is "good". Mengsk doesn't qualify, nor does the dystopia he is building to glorify his ego.
he's more good than the Confederacy
I mean like, the Dominion already basically unites all the Terrans, there's no one to go off on an imperial adventure on
Umoja and the Kel-Morian combine are both at least to a certain degree integrated into the state..
The Zerg overrunning worlds and the Protoss glassing them was not very long ago, they could absolutely come back
having a military to not all die would be good!
we are playing a military guy
- Location
- United States
Let's not put the cart before the horse. We need a working military to keep the protoss from glassing us, the Zerg from eating us and the UED from replacing our tyrant with one of their own. Not necessarily in that order. If we're still alive at the end and don't have to rebuild a second time we can put some serious thought into toppling Mengyk.
grimely
Twink Death Sufferer
Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 1): 93 + 4 + 48 - 2 = 143/300
Brontes: Orbital Cleanup (Phase 1): 172 + 70 + 67 + 100 - 3 = 406/300, 106/??? Phase 2, resource gain, -5 Paranoia (Nat 100)
Nephor II: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 1): 0 + 69 + 9 = 78/500
Nephor II: TerraUnion Tool and Die Works (Phase 1): 8 + 54 + 96 + 68 + 27 = 253/200, 53/??? Phase 2, multiple project lengths reduced
Nephor II: Nephor Industrial Megacomplex (Phase 1): 0 + 52 + 10 + 18 = 80/400
Tyrador IX: Refugee Workshops (Phase 1): 271 + 88 + 81 + 26 - 3 = 463/400, 63/??? Phase 2, resource income
Nephor II: Phoros Neotextile Fabrication Plant (Phase 1): 78 + 51 + 62 + 98 + 27 = 316/200, 116/??? Phase 2, multiple project costs decreased
Tyrador IX: Establish Farmsteads (Phase 1): 269 + 0 (was 5) + 0 (was 2) + 30 + 96 - 12 + 15 (canon omake) = 398/400 - "close enough"
The Dominion Health Service (Phase 1): 170 + 41 + 21 + 89 - 18 = 303/300, 3/??? Phase 2, +5 Paranoia
Re-Establish the Universal News Network: 0 + 8 - 6 = 2/100
Tyrador IX: Military Recruitment Offices: 115 + 3 + 20 - 2 + 15 (canon omake) = 151/200, TerraUnion Tool and Die Works reduces to 150, will autocomplete next quarter
Korhal: Broken Mesa Xenobiology Institute: 0 + 56 - 6 = 50/200
Truth and Reconciliation Committee (Idealistic): 24 + 53 + 45 + 27 - 3 = 146/200
Conduct a Dominion-Wide Census: 0 + 43 - 1 = 42/300
Hire Advisors (2 dice, 10 F): 0 + 74 + 0 (was 10) - 11 = 63/DC40, +5 Paranoia
Send a Letter "Home" (2 dice, 0F): 0 + 36 + 62 - 22 = 76/DC40, Raynor's Raiders unlocked
Resources: 330/425 used, 95 left over
Funding: 10/50 used, 40 left over
Paranoia: 40-5+5+5 = 45/100
Current Promises:
Complete all phases of all [Reconstruction] projects by the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete one non-[Reconstruction] project in each listed category by the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 1) by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Complete one subsequent Augustgrad phase each year until the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Korhal: Build the Broken Mesa Xenobiology Institute by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Conduct a Dominion-Wide Census by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Revitalization Goals
Infrastructure - NOT STARTED
Heavy Industry - IN PROGRESS: Korhal: Keresh Mining Complex (Phase 1)
Light and Chemical Industry - IN PROGRESS: Nephor II: Phoros Neotextile Fabrication Plant (Phase 1)
Environmental - NOT STARTED
Services - IN PROGRESS: The Dominion Health Service (Phase 1)
Brontes: Orbital Cleanup (Phase 1): 172 + 70 + 67 + 100 - 3 = 406/300, 106/??? Phase 2, resource gain, -5 Paranoia (Nat 100)
Nephor II: Planetary Reconstruction (Phase 1): 0 + 69 + 9 = 78/500
Nephor II: TerraUnion Tool and Die Works (Phase 1): 8 + 54 + 96 + 68 + 27 = 253/200, 53/??? Phase 2, multiple project lengths reduced
Nephor II: Nephor Industrial Megacomplex (Phase 1): 0 + 52 + 10 + 18 = 80/400
Tyrador IX: Refugee Workshops (Phase 1): 271 + 88 + 81 + 26 - 3 = 463/400, 63/??? Phase 2, resource income
Nephor II: Phoros Neotextile Fabrication Plant (Phase 1): 78 + 51 + 62 + 98 + 27 = 316/200, 116/??? Phase 2, multiple project costs decreased
Tyrador IX: Establish Farmsteads (Phase 1): 269 + 0 (was 5) + 0 (was 2) + 30 + 96 - 12 + 15 (canon omake) = 398/400 - "close enough"
The Dominion Health Service (Phase 1): 170 + 41 + 21 + 89 - 18 = 303/300, 3/??? Phase 2, +5 Paranoia
Re-Establish the Universal News Network: 0 + 8 - 6 = 2/100
Tyrador IX: Military Recruitment Offices: 115 + 3 + 20 - 2 + 15 (canon omake) = 151/200, TerraUnion Tool and Die Works reduces to 150, will autocomplete next quarter
Korhal: Broken Mesa Xenobiology Institute: 0 + 56 - 6 = 50/200
Truth and Reconciliation Committee (Idealistic): 24 + 53 + 45 + 27 - 3 = 146/200
Conduct a Dominion-Wide Census: 0 + 43 - 1 = 42/300
Hire Advisors (2 dice, 10 F): 0 + 74 + 0 (was 10) - 11 = 63/DC40, +5 Paranoia
Send a Letter "Home" (2 dice, 0F): 0 + 36 + 62 - 22 = 76/DC40, Raynor's Raiders unlocked
Resources: 330/425 used, 95 left over
Funding: 10/50 used, 40 left over
Paranoia: 40-5+5+5 = 45/100
Current Promises:
Complete all phases of all [Reconstruction] projects by the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete one non-[Reconstruction] project in each listed category by the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 1) by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Complete one subsequent Augustgrad phase each year until the end of Q4 2511 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Korhal: Build the Broken Mesa Xenobiology Institute by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Complete Conduct a Dominion-Wide Census by the end of Q4 2507 - IN PROGRESS
Revitalization Goals
Infrastructure - NOT STARTED
Heavy Industry - IN PROGRESS: Korhal: Keresh Mining Complex (Phase 1)
Light and Chemical Industry - IN PROGRESS: Nephor II: Phoros Neotextile Fabrication Plant (Phase 1)
Environmental - NOT STARTED
Services - IN PROGRESS: The Dominion Health Service (Phase 1)
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- Location
- his hidden lair
What part about the fact that we have several threats looming over our head that are vastly worse than Mengsk do people not understand? The UEF we're going to have to deal with has basically successfully enacted a global and more pervasive Final Solution on Earth. There is a new Overmind being made, which would happily slaughter and genetically assimilate every human alive. And there's Kerrigan, who's death toll probably exceeds and definitely at least rivals Mengsk's.
We do not have the room to freely maneuver and sabotage Mengsk because Chuck *knows* most of these threats are out there. The only thing we enable by completely sabotaging the Dominion's military is the complete annihilation or subjugation of every human in the sector. This is also ignoring the fact if SC2 unfolds we're going to see a literally omnicidal alien star god show up.
We don't have to like Mengsk to decide that yes- we need a militarily capable Dominion. And that military will undoubtedly save lives. There's a reason Mengsk is seen as a popular ruler in the wake of coming to power. As far as anyone knows aliens have waged the most destructive war in human history and could come back for another go.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Notably, the entire population of the Koprulu Sector colonies is descended from exactly the kind of people the UED/UEF/whatever exterminated as part of "Project Purification."
In fairness I'm pretty sure that the UED is not a thing that anyone in the setting would know IC about at the current date
but yes we are surrounded by aliens that can and have mass murdered terran planets within the last few years
para bellum and all that
but yes we are surrounded by aliens that can and have mass murdered terran planets within the last few years
para bellum and all that
grimely
Twink Death Sufferer
Etranger made the events of StarCraft 1 take five years instead of one, because he personally found it silly how short a time period that is. He has explicitly said that the Brood War is coming, albeit with different details.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I think next turn we can be a little freer with Resources because of what we've done this turn, though I think we want to keep at least 50-60 stockpiled at least going into Q3, since it's not until after Q4 that we have the next budget meeting.
...actually, another point is that we might want to try to find a way to reduce Paranoia as low as we can get it before the budget meeting to give us "room" to maneuver, as it were.
...actually, another point is that we might want to try to find a way to reduce Paranoia as low as we can get it before the budget meeting to give us "room" to maneuver, as it were.
yes
but the terrans were unaware of the UED or its coming until after they showed up so, considering that they haven't shown up yet, we would not know they were coming
- Location
- United States
Same old song and dance routine as any other planquest. The palace, our military and several research options exist to help with keeping it in check. Maybe ease off the UNN and similar projects till then.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Honestly if we have the Resources to complete the Refloating, which is admittedly a big "If" then we should be pretty good. I think we could get down as low as, like, 25 Paranoia this year, though we'll have very thoroughly started to burn most of the key Low-hanging fruit.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The Zerg are ample reason to be afraid all by themselves, and they are very much not extinct. And the Confederates/Dominion don't really know enough about the Zerg to even conclude with any confidence "oh they can't be a threat without the Overmind," for a variety of reasons.
grimely
Twink Death Sufferer
To say nothing of the Protoss, who to most of humanity appeared from out of nowhere, turned multiple planets to glass, and then left with even less explanation.
oh yes I agree absolutely
there a ton of reasons to want a military,
I'm just also pointing out that the UED is at for the moment a threat that is own known of on a meta level, its not something people in the koprulu sector know about or would have any reason to expect
- Location
- his hidden lair
It's rather telling that in canon, the Dominion made massive investments in psi-tech to fight the Zerg. To the point where Duran was pretty desperate to get the UEF to destroy it and the seized psi-disruptor played a fairly big role in giving them a shot at the second Overmind iirc.
Mengsk may be an egomaniacal, self serving monster but the Dominion probably could have stood up to a resurgent Zerg if they hadn't been blindsided by the UEF. There's little doubt in my mind that Mengsk genuinely sees himself and the Dominion as the last shield against hostile alien threats.
Mengsk may be an egomaniacal, self serving monster but the Dominion probably could have stood up to a resurgent Zerg if they hadn't been blindsided by the UEF. There's little doubt in my mind that Mengsk genuinely sees himself and the Dominion as the last shield against hostile alien threats.
Fair enough, I'm pretty sure the Koprulu Sector knows enough to know Earth is bad news, but they clearly were expecting the next war to be against the Zerg and the Protoss.