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Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition

Retcon: Should General Horner (the MC) have been The Magistrate (Starcraft 1 PC)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 43.8%

  • No

    Votes: 29 36.3%

  • This does not matter to me

    Votes: 16 20.0%
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HeruKane said:
As someone who wouldn't have minded the 50% and all leverage actions my big thing is that we are leaving out some good dice potentials in your plan. Potentials that see us getting benefits in space stuff. I think that outweighs the 50%.

Also 45% of the economy as the economy grows is going to be a pretty good thing.

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Unrelated but I think one of our first actions after the budget is assigned is to have that lunch with Starke.
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...dear God no. We should increase up to 50% as soon as we can. One of the reasons I was worried about 45% is that it was going to become the baseline where we'd be expected to choose it or even lower or face worse and worse leverage penalties.

Also nope, not with the -5 to all dice rolls, that should wait until we finish up Augustgrad Phase 2. So Q2.
 
We are going to have to put personal die somewhere, even with the penalty, and I think meeting with Starke makes a bit more sense then some of the other options. I'm not going to not allocate dice to options cause of the potential of the -5. I mean yeah, obviously I am going to support a plan that puts as much as is comfortable on the capital action, but that doesn't mean all dice nor does it mean not putting dice elsewhere.

I can take or leave us going to 50% - I voted for All In after all as an approval vote. On that I won't make a judgement call till we get to this point next year where we are discussing budgetary stuff as well. A lot can change in a year after all. Especially once we do Starke and other personal things that start giving us access to interesting options.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Etranger on Dec 10, 2022 at 10:17 PM, finished with 71 posts and 48 votes.
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    • HeruKane said:
    We are going to have to put personal die somewhere, even with the penalty, and I think meeting with Starke makes a bit more sense then some of the other options. I'm not going to not allocate dice to options cause of the potential of the -5. I mean yeah, obviously I am going to support a plan that puts as much as is comfortable on the capital action, but that doesn't mean all dice nor does it mean not putting dice elsewhere.
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    ...we don't get a penalty at all for de Santo. And we get a +10 for Nephor Actions.

    de Santo is in the capital, so we even get a +5 instead of a -5 for that, and everything Nephor gets a +10, which counteracts the -5.
     
    Actually, that's a good point - I wonder if Starke will be forced to move to Korhol too, like we are. I doubt that our dear Emperor only made that 'request' to us.

    Also I wonder if we can like thematically have it so we we push forward the reconstruction so we only move there at the end of the period rather than the start. Likt ie takes three months for us to move the Treasury.

    Also also I wonder, hope really, that there is an action for us to create a TRUST building, but maybe more low-key, on Korhol too. We gotta outfit our building with the best, even if we make it not so epic on the outside.
     
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    Starke may get a little more leeway because he (possibly) hasn't been engaged in quite as much blatant empire-building. Like, Mengsk isn't stupid; he knows the scale on which we're militarizing TRUST would make it plausible for us to attempt a coup under the right circumstances. He's probably confident we won't want to and that he could stop us anyway, but he's not stupid. Unless Starke has done something similar to alarm Mengsk, he may have more leeway.

    Or, in Starke's negaquest, he may be staring down less Paranoia gain for refusing the offer, at any rate.

    Of course, if Mengsk does make Starke come to Korhal right away, then that's just going to ingratiate us to the man even further when we put in the time and effort to rapidly build the facilities he needs to be there comfortably.
     
    Heck I could see Starke using us as the visual element. We are front and center and he is doing things behind the scenes. I mean he does have contact with the son of Mengsk.

    Also yeah, us making it so Korhol is livable and comfortable now that we are going to be on it would be quite smart and useful.

    This will be an interesting turn and such.

    (I actually hope Starke is asked and agrees to move as well. I also hope we get some actions based on Treasury there now, like a Treasury arcology complex or something.)
     
    know little about starke or what he might want or not.

    still pro having a talk with that kaptain whats her name but i do not thing thats going to be a thing soon.
     
    Redhead222 said:
    did not know that was a thing
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    [] Accept the deal
    Mengsk asks, Mengsk gets. Not much more to say about it, really. You've lived on MREs before.
    (+5 per die to all Korhal projects until the end of Q4 2508 (stacks with Center of Power); -5 to all other project dice and Center of Power unavailable until Korhal: Capital City Augustgrad (Phase 2) is complete)

    It's right above "Percentage or Fixed" in the Budget Vote. We did it because the alternative was +20 Paranoia and we were about to finish Augustgrad 2 anyways, but it still s u c k s.
     
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    Budget Negotiations (2508) Part 2
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    • Budget Negotiations (2508) Part 2​

    After careful consideration, you decide that a flexible percentage-based formula will give you the resources you need to keep funding all your various side projects, especially given that their demands are likely to increase faster than your ability to safely accrue what you need to keep them running. All that remains is determining the amount.

    How much are you going to need to get this done, anyway?

    [] 4% of overall Treasury income
    By appearing to cut your current discretionary budget, you could quite deftly conceal opening it up for a natural, invisible course of expansion through alternate funding streams and departmental income growth. It would mean a short-term sacrifice, but it may well pay off in the long run.
    (Current Estimate: -20R/+20F per turn) (-15 Paranoia)

    [] 6% of overall Treasury income
    It's easy enough to sneak a modest boost to discretionary funding into the budget if it's concealed as a new formula for determining the amount. That's practically a reform, not a money grab. Bury it midway through a 600-page document and no one will ever be the wiser.
    (Current Estimate: -30R/+30F per turn)

    [] 8% of overall Treasury income
    This may raise an eyebrow or two, but at worst it'll be seen as some light graft and feather-bedding, not anything truly detrimental to government functions, much less a threat to Mengsk himself. It'll go through without a hitch.
    (Current Estimate: -35R/+35F per turn) (+5 Paranoia)

    [] 10% of overall Treasury income
    Ten percent is where people start asking inconvenient questions. The number itself is concerning; when you say you're taking one credit for every ten that the Treasury brings in, inquiries like "Why?" and "What for?" begin bubbling to the surface. Even so, you can probably swing it.
    (Current Estimate: -45R/+45F per turn) (+15 Paranoia)


    No moratorium; feel free to begin voting immediately. Note that "overall Treasury income" refers to the sum of your share of the Dominion budget and all your other income streams, which have been enumerated in the Treasury status post. Please note that the estimated numbers have been rounded off to the most appropriate multiple of 5, and that while they replace your current +25F budget, they do not include the additional +15F from Personal Investments.
     
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    • Ten percent is the bare minimum, though it should be remembered that it's 46+15 F from the income that's not included in the treasure.

    But yeah, even then we're honestly going to have to spend the rest of the year terrified of bankruptcy.

    But any less than 10% is basically drastically weakening our ability to ever do anything.

    [X] 10% of overall Treasury income

    We lost 10 Paranoia for just such a purpose of paying for an actual Personal budget.
     
    [X] 10% of overall Treasury income

    This is why we've been spamming every lower paranoia option.
     
    [X] 4% of overall Treasury income
    Yeah let's not rock the boat more than we already have. Remember, these resources come out of our budget. We're sacrificing resources which can be used anywhere for one's which can only be used for personal.
     
    [X] 6% of overall Treasury income
    [X] 8% of overall Treasury income

    It's a small, small boost, nobody will ever see it.
     
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