[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal
[X]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone

Tactical voting time! I don't want Alex on the same team as Alya, and I'm pretty sure Alya's a shoe-in for the team. So I'mma vote for the options most likely to keep him out of the lead.

This has a decent chance of getting us a Alya + Astrea team, which I wouldn't consider ideal, but would certainly be interesting - being willing to put a construct in a high position says good things, IMO, and having good contacts and good PR could be really handy.

The power of moe is strong. As is the power of actually having a budget. Plus, we know she wants to be more than just another technocratic princess - if she actually wanted to just coast through and live the good life she wouldn't be here for us to pick.

So what would you vote if you were plan voting instead, and the Alex/Alya team wasn't really even on the map?

And speaking of which, from the voting by plan, we have Al-Saud/Treadstone as the top vote? Can anyone explain this to me? I'm not really seeing the value of the combo myself.
 
[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal
[X]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone

Tactical voting!
 
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Say, now that I've caught up here, are there any other great Mage fiction pieces on the web? I've read a few Exalted ones but I've never seen another Mage one.
 
Why aren't people supporting Elias? He's got an amazing sphere loadout and his past seems rife with interesting hooks, and most of all he's got a proven ability to track down Autocthonian infiltration and that's the biggest threat out there.
Elias is....a loaded choice. First, he's a huge dox magnet, which is noted in his writeup. That can be a big liability, especially in someone you want in charge of things. He probably has the permadox of Jane and Kessler combined, which means any dox he takes, he makes a roll, which can be very, very bad. He also has the issue of him probably having hidden motives for joining, and the possibility he may want to usurp leadership from Jane.

He is also tied to the "whatever it takes" school of thought the old Union tended to follow, which doesn't really gel with the new, more moderate path the post-DA Union is taking, and could complicate Camlann's relationship with both other more moderate factions within the Union should his methods be taken up. We've pretty consistently shied away from hardline elements, and there are few elements more hardline than a man like Elias. In less visible roles, he can act in his usual manner without too many issues, but leading in a major task force? That's not the same story. Maybe he could become someone else with time, but I doubt it. Maybe he could go back, to someone more like the man who joined the Order of Reason, centuries ago. I don't think that man would recognize Elias now. I suspect he understands that he can't go back to who he was either. That man, long ago, would likely have been someone I would have voted for. Elias isn't that though. He is a tool, formed by Control over long years, and now he has rejected those who made him, because they are no longer who they once were. Elias represents a force of stasis, something dictated by it's past, as we wage war on the other results of that past. He represents something, and it's not something we should carry into the future in the forefront. He may well persevere of his own accord, he has since the DA, but I see him as something the world is leaving behind.

In essence, he would bring great rewards indeed, but with them would come issues, both small and large, practical and symbolic, that would taint what he offers to an unacceptable degree. We will not pick up Control's weapon, we will reject the need for it. Jane was once a weapon, and rejected that path, to become the woman she is. Elias is as much a weapon as she was, but he made his choices long ago, when Jane had her's made for her.
 
Elias is....a loaded choice. First, he's a huge dox magnet, which is noted in his writeup. That can be a big liability, especially in someone you want in charge of things. He probably has the permadox of Jane and Kessler combined, which means any dox he takes, he makes a roll, which can be very, very bad. He also has the issue of him probably having hidden motives for joining, and the possibility he may want to usurp leadership from Jane.

He is also tied to the "whatever it takes" school of thought the old Union tended to follow, which doesn't really gel with the new, more moderate path the post-DA Union is taking, and could complicate Camlann's relationship with both other more moderate factions within the Union should his methods be taken up. We've pretty consistently shied away from hardline elements, and there are few elements more hardline than a man like Elias. In less visible roles, he can act in his usual manner without too many issues, but leading in a major task force? That's not the same story. Maybe he could become someone else with time, but I doubt it. Maybe he could go back, to someone more like the man who joined the Order of Reason, centuries ago. I don't think that man would recognize Elias now. I suspect he understands that he can't go back to who he was either. That man, long ago, would likely have been someone I would have voted for. Elias isn't that though. He is a tool, formed by Control over long years, and now he has rejected those who made him, because they are no longer who they once were. Elias represents a force of stasis, something dictated by it's past, as we wage war on the other results of that past. He represents something, and it's not something we should carry into the future in the forefront. He may well persevere of his own accord, he has since the DA, but I see him as something the world is leaving behind.

In essence, he would bring great rewards indeed, but with them would come issues, both small and large, practical and symbolic, that would taint what he offers to an unacceptable degree. We will not pick up Control's weapon, we will reject the need for it. Jane was once a weapon, and rejected that path, to become the woman she is. Elias is as much a weapon as she was, but he made his choices long ago, when Jane had her's made for her.

A deep and insightful analysis, wow.

I suppose I'm not too concerned about him being the weapon Control made him. He doesn't sound like he wants to restart the Ascension War, and he is most certainly loyal to a humanist Technocracy rather than Autocthonia's vision.

Paradox is a good point. I suppose that's what all that Prime is for, though, and it's not like the Technocracy has any shortage of quintessence to throw at negating paradox. And I think the permanent paradox doesn't apply in Technocratic constructs and the umbra, although I could be wrong on that, but if so that'll cover a lot of the situations he'd be potentially going all out in.
 
He probably has the permadox of Jane and Kessler combined, which means any dox he takes, he makes a roll, which can be very, very bad.

Very unlikely. Jane is unknown, but likely 4-5, Kessler is unknown post nanomachines, but also 4-5 though mitigated by prime effects.

I doubt Elias has 10 permanent paradox. That would put him up with Catherine Nicoles at 12. She got it though massive time shinnannigans and God knows what archmage things. He's old and auged, but not likely as big of a deal.
 
Eff it, new plan:

[X]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion
[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal


Camlann should broaden its focus into kicking ass even harder. :D And that's not to mention that both these characters are still flexible, just not as immediate a shift as the other choices.
Why aren't people supporting Elias? He's got an amazing sphere loadout and his past seems rife with interesting hooks, and most of all he's got a proven ability to track down Autocthonian infiltration and that's the biggest threat out there.

On the one hand, (and I'm surprised no one's said this outright yet,) Elias is basically a joke character. If these are PCs, he's the kind of character a very edgy and powergaming player would create. Loads of powerful abilities coupled with an over-complicated backstory, and personality traits that are basically the player giving himself permission to sow excessive chaos on a whim.

On the other hand with taking Elias seriously, picking Elias basically saddles Camlann with being Elias's handler. You know how Piero has an entire construct dedicated to keeping him in operating order? It wouldn't be that extreme here, but a huge chunk of Camlann's efforts would have to go into keeping Elias from flying off the handle and exterminating things he's not supposed to.

Now, I'm not saying Elias couldn't be an actual characterized person and all, but on the face of it he's mostly a massive headache. Plus, he's not very shippable with any of the other characters listed. :V

X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal
[X]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone

Tactical voting!

Missing the bracket on your first vote.
 
Aside from whether anyone has any Mage fiction to recommend, does anyone play any games online or want to play one? It might be a fun thing to organize.
 
[X] Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion

[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante
 
Maybe they're designing Camlann to be a JRPG boss collection where Alex represents the bishounen sort of puzzle boss who you have to do a quest to counter their gimmick and punch them in the face and Alya is the newbie breather boss?

I mean it's a legitimate design choice since all the Camlann choices are basically all video gamey bosses.

  • Astrea is the cute robot girl minion controller boss who ends up becoming popular to the point where more people have seen lewd fanart of her than have actually beaten her;
  • Zhao is the Metal Gear Solid type duel boss for a stealth action game where he basically teaches you how it feels to have to deal with your own tactics and techniques;
  • Alex is the bishounen looking trickster puzzle boss of a JRPG who ends up being shipped with the protagonist a lot and also as some sort of queer icon;
  • Anjali is the Metal Gear Rising beat-em-up boss who basically has no gimmicks but incredibly fast and damaging combos and lots of counters to your moveset;
  • Alya is the FPS endboss who basically plays like a multiplayer bot but with a bigger health bar and does everything you can and calls bodyguards as reinforcements between phases;
  • And Richter is the semi-optional boss who is probably the real big bad but you won't realize if you haven't been extensively collecting lore and completing sidequests who is just complete and utter bullshit and is coded with an AI that is basically designed to just near-perfectly counter every move you make.

So if some enterprising young VA cyborg beats the CAMLANN recruits, do they gain new powers? :V
 
Very unlikely. Jane is unknown, but likely 4-5, Kessler is unknown post nanomachines, but also 4-5 though mitigated by prime effects.
I figured Jane was 4-5 and Kessler was at the 2 his profile has him at, since it was updated to note he is now nanomachines. I figured Elias was at 6-7 permadox, which, while not Nichols-bad, is still you-roll-every-time bad, and means even low sphere effects can suck on a bad roll.
 
Alright, now that Anjali actually has a chance to win, swapping to my preferred pair.

[X]Captain Lixing Zhao-The Treadstone
[X]Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion

This results in a Camlann that is very job-focused - maybe too much, at the cost of our ability to network and play well in internal politics. But it also results in a Camlann that can understand the values of both subtlety and explodin' robots, and knows how and when to use which.
 
I figured Jane was 4-5 and Kessler was at the 2 his profile has him at, since it was updated to note he is now nanomachines. I figured Elias was at 6-7 permadox, which, while not Nichols-bad, is still you-roll-every-time bad, and means even low sphere effects can suck on a bad roll.

Yeah, that's a more reasonable estimation.

But what really matters isn't how much dox our potentials have, but how many Appearance dots they have. :V

A vote for the tacfu and the princess is a vote for moe and waifus!

Edit: But that's got me thinking.

Given Sylia is a full conversion, she's probably got a high App score as well.

And that got me thinking about her children. Her file notes they were decanted, so iron wombs and what not. But what's really interesting is what kind of person would have kids and instead of settling down, keep throwing themselves into Shock Corp work?

In the real world, starting a family coincidences with growing older and a decline in physical capabilities that keep people from being the tip of the spear all the time. But with mages, that would be a personal choice and not something they are forced to back away from.
 
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And speaking of which, from the voting by plan, we have Al-Saud/Treadstone as the top vote? Can anyone explain this to me? I'm not really seeing the value of the combo myself.
Speaking for myself, I didn't vote those two for the specific combo, I just thought the two of them individually brought some of the best options to the table, and both are kinda Jamelia 3.0 in different ways: Zhao as the Operative operating, and al-Saud with wide net of Spheres. Also, I like the character hooks and growth potential of both of them, and the way it kinda focuses Camlann.

Plus, loads of dosh from the Princess and possible cameos from her al-Saud cousin mentioned in her write up and her former Traditionalist friends from ES's sidestory way back when is too much to pass up.

Also, I kinda rationalized not choosing Sylia by figuring that she's already technically on the team as a doorkicker as mentioned by Kessler. Sure, she definitely won't get a command billet if she isn't actually chosen, as I said, but she'll still be there in the background, I guess.
 
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The competition for second place is really, really close.
Adhoc vote count started by Derpmind on Dec 19, 2018 at 12:13 PM, finished with 21515 posts and 37 votes.
 
You know, I think what's making this so hard is that TF Camlann (not the most auspicious name, don't name your task force after battles where the good guys lose everything, that's just asking for an ironic end) is deeply unclear about what the task force is for. If we knew what we'd be running into (probably Autochthonian interests Earthside, but other than that who knows) it'd be a lot easier to figure out what we needed most.
 
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[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal

[X] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

Rather than seeing elias as a force for stasis, I think he's at a point where he could change, given the loss of his masters in control. This is a different role then he would have had as a troubleshooter, in the sense that he'd be leading people as his primary job. Fundamentally different if he intends to lead and shape an organization. Which is the sort of thing that might shake someone out of the complacency that has them stuck at arete 5. Besides, with prime and spirit, I don't think he completely bought in to the technocracy party line.
 
To be fair, the battle of Camlann was a battle where both sides lost everything.

TF Camlann is probably going to end up selling themselves very, very dearly, to utterly end a threat to the world. Or at least, that's an RD who believed in nominative determinism would say :V.
 
[X] HITMark VII Test Unit 02 'Astrea'-The Ideal

[X] Elias Richter-The Troubleshooter

Rather than seeing elias as a force for stasis, I think he's at a point where he could change, given the loss of his masters in control. This is a different role then he would have had as a troubleshooter, in the sense that he'd be leading people as his primary job. Fundamentally different if he intends to lead and shape an organization. Which is the sort of thing that might shake someone out of the complacency that has them stuck at arete 5. Besides, with prime and spirit, I don't think he completely bought in to the technocracy party line.

Okay I'll make the subtext explicit.

The reason Richter has Prime and Spirit is because he is a 3-century-old knight of the Order of Reason who was blessed by the Order's inner circle with secrets stolen from the Verbena and derived from the ancient chosen of a Celestine.

He was never a heretic.

And his paradigm isn't Dual Traditions. He's not an Abjad. Yes there's some level of doublethink going on about the nanotech he has and his somewhat unconventional use of Dimensional Science tools. But he's not a sanctioned heretic.
 
Yes there's some level of doublethink going on about the nanotech he has and his somewhat unconventional use of Dimensional Science tools.
To be fair, everyone still around from that section of the OoR, few as there are, that lacks Enlightenment 6+ needs some doublethink. Or has lost some memories. Or both. The Gabrielites would not be welcome in the modern Union, nor would the Cabal of Pure Thought.
 
(not the most auspicious name, don't name your task force after battles where the good guys lose everything, that's just asking for an ironic end)

Looking at it from the other direction...naming yourself after the battle where the returning rightful ruler destroys the usurper who has taken the throne in the ruler's absence, but the ruler is mortal wounded themselves....that has some Implications.
 
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[X] Lieutenant Anjali Sylia-The Champion

[X] Agent Alya al-Saud-The Dilettante


This is a solid combo that balances risk and reward, unreliable potential with sure thing, military discipline with social connections and get-the-job-done professionalism with quirky eccentricity.

Good choice for growth and development all round.
 
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