So... it means that the Man in White, here and now, is no longer a playing piece (assuming it works). Ms Clock has been offscreen for a while, but has her own issues, what with people like Bastion sniffing around after her and her slowly losing her best subordinates. If she's going to top this one as a threat, it's going to take a major power-up of some sort. She's got the wrong paradigm for doing Deeply Unwise Rituals well, and the Man in White plan was already pretty much the ultimate for that. The mechamurderkitty is still out there, but I feel like it lacks the importance that it would need to be the final boss. It's a threat to life and limb, but it's limited in scope. The game has gone beyond it.

In some ways, I feel like the Fright answer is saying that maybe this *was* the climax of the quest. It was certainly climactic enough. The final question of whether humanity turns back to its old gods or forges its new path has been largely answered. You get maybe one more brittle last-ditch attempt out of Clock to salvage something by cobbling together what she has left, which gets taken out by a far more limited team, not because it's a non-serious threat, but because "mobilize the Union" would just be overkill. Maybe it's a team-up between Jamelia, Harlan, and the Tyrants, as Bastion sends in his own people to clean up his own mess (with Jamelia acting primarily as support caster and native guide). Maybe they bring Yinzheng along for the ride. She might fit in well as a Tyrant. That finally lets us cue the very personal showdown at the end between Jamelia (who's alone because she's trying to turn an enemy, and that's how she works best) and Clock (who's alone because she has nothing left).
... It could work.

On the other hand... if there's one thing Jamelia has taught us again and again and again, it's that resources isn't everything. Strapped for cash and material, denied all but the bare minimum of requisitions, left only the traumatized has-beens and failures of the Union for her subordinates, Jamelia's Construct has gone on to be pivotal in the battle for the Union and the World.

There is no particular reason to believe that Clock is any different -- that Clock needs the ... the overpowering vulgar magic of Gregor Leon and the Exemplar project to be just as big a threat to the Union as the Man in White has been.

If we pick Fright, Control - Threat Null, or at least this shard of it, will go to meet its Ending. But Clock doesn't need a living god. The symbol is quite enough.
 
Well, I'm guessing that one thing Clock could try... is try to set off the Technocrat Civil War. Maybe reveal the Secret(TM) to the Conventions that don't know it yet? Or maybe by launching assassinations on Convention leaders.

Or maybe something from the Reality Deviant side of things; a major false flag from the Rogue Council or something. Though the Janice and Roth arc is sort of that already; with the Disciples trying something very foolish and horrible.
Plan B is going to be a lot more rushed and blatant. Remember that one of the secrets of Panopticon is that they have a faction of loyal opposition, Reality Deviants who practice sanctioned reality deviancy for the sake of the ideals of the Union. Clock may try to restart her own branch of this, getting a bunch of RDs through brainwashing high intensity recruitment to brute force an intrusion of the Gauntlet. Alternately, you could tie in the Rogue Council and North Korea somehow, such as Clock hijacking a Nork ritual to bring through their own evil space ghosts.
Or something like that, yeah. A major interference with the Union's invasion of North Korea, turning it into a quagmire or a resource sink for the Union.

Or starting her own secretive group, within the Technocratic Union. That would suck, if she's wildly successful; having to forever deal with a conspiracy recruiting to bring down the Technocratic Union from within again and again. And even if it gets dealt with, how would we know? Or, what if the Union decides that a Goldstein is a useful symbol for it, that it can blame things on even after it finally rooted out the conspiracy? (Or maybe even worse; Clock uses their suspicion against them. She causes enough trouble for long enough, then her group goes to ground, and Clock starts working to convince people that the Union has already won but that their leaders decided to use the internal threat as a Goldstein. Turn the Union on itself by making them believe that their leaders have failed and fallen like all old leaders eventually fall.)
 
[J/K] Freight.

Technocratic constructs are marvels of architecture as much as engineering, designed to serve practical and aesthetic purposes while also being defensible. They are also, even when run by a would be posthuman like Leon Gregor, fundamentally places where human beings work and live, and structured accordingly. They have vents for air circulation, pipes for the transfer of various liquids, and corridors for human beings and equipment to make passage. All of which is designed to be defensive and unwelcoming to unauthorized visitors, but ultimately, defenses can be bypassed, especially by those familiar with them.

In this case, a package has been making it's way into the construct, since it's sender cannot attend in person. A carefully planned (and updated) route sent it through areas whose defenses have been undermined by damage from the attack, or allowed to lapse when resources were needed, elsewhere. The package in question was borne by what might be called a drone, but not because it was disposable. Rather because a subtle touch was needed.

As things drew towards the inevitable climax, the drone too, was drawn to the place where probalistic modeling based on narrative inevitability forecasting suggested the finale would be. And so as what was once a man and now a self proclaimed God declared his divinity, the drone gently floated in, and deployed it's payload. A note, and a two way video link.

The image of a young woman was displayed, as she loudly started listing all the reasons why the Man in White was clearly neither divine nor Control, in that matter of factual yet slightly shrill voice that someone familiar with a Langley girl might recognize. A former servant of the Computer, an heretic, so to speak of the machine god, declaiming the falsehood of it's bedfellows.

The note? To be brief, it simply explained that only one secret conspiracy was allowed to direct the technocracy at one time. (signed, Aleph)

Mari + Trollcasting, delivered via time/entropy/correspondence(?) rote.
 
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Didn't she already basically do that? I mean, yeah, it certainly seems like the sort of thing she would try, but it's not exactly "Now we find out what terrible things she's capable of when we push her too far."
It could also be a pretty sizable group - Shin said that Panopticon as it is now only formed post-99 on Control's say-so, so there is a very real possibility that Oversight (Clock's faction) is composed of the entirety of Panopticon minus the Abjad, plus loyalists in other Conventions.

And on top of that, nothing is stopping Control from trying for Moscow 2: Electric Boogaloo. Remember, Henrietta was summoned by the Baali there; Panopticon's forces were only support.
 
I think Fright will Turn into Fight. The Man In White EDE isn't just a Ruler, it's the cliche of Blanc who is Spiteful and an Old Spy who can kill you a dozen ways without weapons or magic. It won't stop just because it has lost and it's in an EXEMPLAR IV chassis. Still, taking away the memetic hazard and the voice of authority that shatters steel is a good start.
 
Janice XXI: Pathos
Janice XXI: Pathos

Facing up to his guilt is the one thing Roth won't do. She knows it. He knows it at the back of his head. He'll prevaricate, equivocate, and dissemble to justify what he can, but he won't look the cost in the face.

She's getting sick of this.

"All we're doing here is arguing up in comfort, letting our meal go cold," Janice says. She leans over and takes his hand. "Maybe this is the heart of the problem. You've raised yourself too much above the real city. From on high, everyone else looks like ants." She glances out the window, then stares back at him. "And no one cares about a few dead ants, right?"

Roth wrenches his hand free. "I won't let you drag me into some ambush."

"You can tell when people lie," Janice says, rolling her eyes. "That's on your page and all. Go on. Read me. I'm not going to try to capture you. I'm not working with people who are trying to capture you. Same for killing."

"Why? Why follow?"

She forces a grin, though she doesn't feel smiling. "Maybe it does you good to get some fresh air. We need to clear our heads. So are you coming?" she says.

He seems torn, but he clenches his teeth. "Very well," he says reluctantly, picking up his coat.

Janice scribbles a note saying "We'll be back" and leaves it on the table, then strides over to the sleek elevator entrance. She touches the doors, and they open.

The ride down is awkwardly silent. And then they're out the doors, into the snow-covered Manhattan streets. The traffic is gridlocked in the bad weather. Stationary taxis steam in the heat. Faces stare out from fogged up windows.

"Is this… this showmanship really necessary?" he asks acidly, wrapping his scarf tighter around his neck and jamming his hands in his pockets.

"Sometimes you have to get close to see all the little things," she says, huffing on her hands before pulling on her gloves. She desperately hopes it works - and that by going outside, she hasn't broken the technosorcery of the lords of the Technocracy. The meeting is still ongoing, she thinks as hard as she can, just in case it helps.

Ami makes an ambivalent noise, but doesn't comment.

She takes him to a cafe she knows, tucked away off a street. They only get recycled light here, when the taller buildings are done with it. The walls are bare brick, covered with layer upon layer of posters which take the place of wallpaper, and the glass is filthy from the slush kicked up by cars outside. It's cheap and it's cheerful. Despite the minimalistic decor and the cramped space, it's a warm place away from the snow. And it's always busy, even at this time of night.

Plus, she's helped the owners out, and the nice men are always good to put out the extra table for her and her guest.

"Oooh, Jan. Is it a date?" Miguel asks.

"Please tell me you're finally dating," Cal adds, squeezing Miguel's hand. "I was worried about you because you'd vanished for a month,"

"Work's been kicking my butt," Janice says, aware that Roth can hear everything. She wouldn't normally burn a location like this, but… she has to. "And this's also a work thing. I thought I'd get him out of his stuffy tower and show him some real NY."

She gets them two green teas, and sits down. "It's gunpowder tea," she says. "No, it's not real-"

"I know what gunpowder tea is," Roth retorts, snipping it. "Hmm. Not poisoned or drugged, though the cup could be cleaner."

"Well, maybe." She takes a calming swig of the smoky-tasting tea, enjoying the warmth, then puts her cup down.

"What's your plan?" asks Ami.

Janice doesn't answer directly. "Let's play a game," she says, keeping her voice low as she pulls out her tarot deck and shuffles it. From here they can see the rest of the cafe, but they're a little bit out of the flow.

"Poker? Bacclariat?" Roth's voice drips with sarcasm.

"I call it 'Let's see who'd survive'," she says. "When your vampire thing goes off, who here will live and who will die."

"I've seen the projections."

"And those are just numbers." Janice looks around, well-practiced hands moving. She fans out the cards for him, lets him see that it's a standard deck. "These people will be here in Manhattan. You could have stopped the madmen dead in their tracks and taken the praise of other 'Crats. You didn't. So. Let's see the price these people will pay from your choice."

"I don't have to sit here and watch you pull off sleight of hand or Reality Deviant bullshittery," he says, voice low and cold. And yet there are cracks in it. Even through his ego, she can hear the doubt.

"Are you a coward? Is it just easy to dismiss everything when you're just looking at numbers on a spreadsheet, but you'll run from looking them in the face?" She pitches her voice softly, almost gently. It's crueller that way. All she's left him with his his pride - the pride that means he has to stay.

"Fine, if we must," he says, glaring back. "The barista."

Janice draws. Death. The reaper's skull is fanged, and he wades in a sea of blood. Behind him, red-eyed figures loom.

"Coincidence," he scoffs.

"If you want to say so," she says simply. She doesn't put the card back in the deck. "Who next?"

"The woman over in the corner, with the nose piercing."

Staring him in the face, she draws again. The Tower, reversed.

"Hah."

Janice shuffles again. "I never said everyone was going to die." She could explain that no, it's not so simple, that there's a deeper meaning - but that would break the flow of her argument. "Next person."

"Her date. The one in the flannel shirt."

Death. Fanged, bloody, and somehow twisted this time. The scythe is part of his arm, an abomination of moulded flesh.

Warren Roth blinks. He looks at the two Deaths on the table - but of course, he isn't fool enough to try to accuse her of rigging the deck. After all, she showed it to him.

"The old man in the corner."

Death. The reaper stares out from the third card. He has four arms, and each one ends in a scythed blade. There are bodies at his feet.

The cards come faster. Death. Death. Another Tower reversed, and he frowns at that. Fool. Five of Coins. Death. Death. A third Tower reversed. The pile of Deaths on the table spreads and spreads, a red stain spreading and spreading.

"That couple over there, with the baby," he says, his voice a croak.

Death, Death, the Fool.

"The child survives through blind luck and innocent fortune," Janice says. "His parents don't." Her words are a knife. "How many orphans is your rightness worth?"

He must have known it was coming, but it still produces an intake of breath. "That's not…"

"Oh, you're a Syndic." She jabs her fingers into his chest. "Turning everything into numbers is what your Convention does. A human life is a few million dollars, after all - or less than ten drams of tass. So let's hear the numbers from you. How many orphans is your rightness worth to you?"

He doesn't react at first. It almost raises her opinion of him. Almost. But not quite. "In the long run," he begins.

"In the long run," she mocks. "And will you visit every person who loses a loved one in the name of your 'long run'? Will you look at every 'cost' or will you dismiss it as just another number?"

Thunder cracks outside, lighting the street in stark white. The door opens as someone comes in, snow flurrying through the open door all around them, settling on their black clothing. It stains his silk shirt and makes her hair frizz.

Roth leans forwards, teeth clenched. "You think I'm not aware? I know how many people visit New York on a business day. I know how many people there are now. Projected infected are forty percent. But the long term…"

"Long term. Long term." She shoves him hard, and he barely steps back. "Segador killed three people. How is that for numbers? In the 'long term', that's just one of your Syndicate rounding errors compared to the scale of what you're doing? Or is it just that your family was more important than anyone else's?"

He glares at her with hateful eyes.

"Maybe you'll make sure to get the rich people out. After all, your Syndicate values mean your family's life had to be worth so many times more than everyone else here. But everyone else can just die if it serves your so-called long term." His self-pity has gnawed through the end of her patience. "How can you live with yourself?"

He flinches. "You're ranting," he says. His words are leaden.

"Oh, no, do go on. Tell me how my opinion doesn't matter because you're going to let a million people die so you have your atrocity," she snarls. Gesturing at the cafe around them, she takes in the slice of Manhattan life. "Tell me, when it's over, will you come back here and gloat. Or maybe you'll suck in a breath and tell yourself it was a hard choice, but you did the right thing? Remember this day, Warren Roth, remember me and remember what I'm telling you. You didn't make the hard choice. You're not sacrificing anything you care about. It's not your family. You won't be left, aching, because your son isn't there anymore. You won't be the one watching them gun down your vampire wife. You won't be poor. You won't be homeless. You'll lose nothing. The people here? Everything."

"You don't think I…" He's turning red, and clamps his chiseled jaw shut. There's a dawning look of… something on his face. "How did you get that Control code?" he asks, grating the words out. As if it hurts to say them.

"He's fighting it," Ami warns in her head. "That could be good."

"Good?"

"It's psychologically stressful. That he subconsciously thinks that this is the best way to escape your words…"

Janice turns her attention outwards again, back to the glaring man in the neat suit. "What Control co-"

"Don't play fucking stupid!" Roth is suddenly on his feet, without moving through the intervening space. The table goes flying. Deaths in red and black flutter down around them, like the snow outside. "You're not with Control!"

Ami squirms past her guard. "You wouldn't believe how long I worked for Control, you arrogant little puppy," she says - and she sounds old. "I'm not a stranger to what the Eye asks of you. It'll chew you up and spit you out."

Roth flinches. "That… that's the truth," he says - and that's horror in his voice. But he pushes on, one final surge, and he swallows. "But if you know something like that… you're a defector."

She's just human, one who's tired and who's been trapped in the Demise for too long. He's a man with the very best of training and all kinds of hidden advancements. She doesn't even try to fend him off as he lunges across the table, wrapping his hands around her throat.

But then again, this was a way she knew it might end. "Go ahead," she gasps. "Do it." She's tied their fates together, and this kind of callous murder will doom her. She wins. "You're… just… Segador..."

"Shut up!" he roars at her. His grip is like a vice. Other people are shouting in the cafe, but none of that matters to the two mages.

Black dots spin in front of her eyes. "Just one thing. What would… they say?"

His hands loosen, and she gratefully gasps for breath. He's not staring at her. He's staring a long way away from her. Through time, and through space. Maybe even literally. Like a hunted animal, his wide eyes dance over the horrified faces of the cafe, at the people who have their phones out, at the desperately shaking girl with the pierced nose who's got a mace spray out and is trying to advance on him.

She knows he's thinking about the scattered tarot cards, lying on the ground. Of the countless Death cards.

"You wouldn't be trying to choke me if you weren't already disobeying orders," she manages quickly. "So look around. Are your orders worth all these deaths?" She wheezes. "Do you feel like a hero?"

Warren Roth lets out a noise like a wounded beast, and bolts for it. He bowls the people in his way over, overturning tables and drinks. Janice leans against the wall, gasping.

"What was that about?" someone asks her, but she can't even focus on that. They don't matter. She has to finish this. She has to close the circle. Her throat hurts and she's aching and exhausted and none of that matters because if this story finishes without everything being in place then someone else could grab the loose threads and she knows in her gut that this would be a disaster.

So she shrugs off the people trying to help her, muttering nonsense-words that placate them, and heads out into the cold.

Out here, the snow is a dull grey. Overturned trash cans form icy hillocks. Black ice makes areas of the sidewalk lethal.

She finds him in an alley.

Thunder cracks overhead. The yellow sodium light in the street turns red into black. Roth is on his knees. He doesn't care that he's in a slushy puddle. Icy water soaks his fine suit. The walls are covered in twining ivy and graffitti. He lets out a hoarse bellow, something more like an injured animal than a man.

Janice stands by him. She thinks of the phone. Of the gun within. That would be an end to the story, for him to die in this alley. If she gave him the gun, he might even end it himself. Her fingers twitch.

But that's not her way. It's never been her way. No, that's a lie. It was Ami's way. Not hers. There's a difference.

"There's one thing you should know," she says softly, and this time gentleness isn't a cruelty. "We're not going to let this happen. We, the Traditions. We take care of our radicals, one way or another. Maybe you should look to do the same."

"You…" he begins.

"I told you all along, that the Traditions aren't behind this. Not as a whole. It's a few radicals and the madmen in the Disciples. And so we're going to stop them. Because this is monstrous. All those cards I drew. It was their destiny if this horror is allowed to happen.

"Because you can still change this. Even now, you can turn back. The blood on your hands can be washed off. But you have to want it. You have to stop it yourself. Because if you stand back and let it happen, it'll be on your head." She reaches into her pocket, and tosses a card to him. It's Death - but the normal card, not the empowered one she drew. "Death can also be the ending of a major phase in your life to bring about something far more valuable and important."

"I see," he says, looking up with reddened eyes. And he does see. Perhaps now, he truly sees.

"Don't waste it," she says, and turns to leave.

Janice pauses, looking back. Warren Roth kneels in the snow, sobbing freely. He cries like a child. His tears are not just for his parents and siblings, long dead. His tears are for the parents and siblings he has killed in pursuit of his vengeance.

She can read him like this. His unbreakable will has been broken, but it has been broken like a bone. It will heal - maybe not as strong as it once was, but he has not been shattered. Behind her is a man who will find another cause, older and wiser. Or at least she hopes. The future is veiled and she's never been a very good prophet.

But she thinks he's a lot like her. Having 'won', she can think this. He needs a cause. And she thinks he'll likely find one in redemption. He'll suffer, of course. But that's good.

There is strength in tribulation. But of course she'd say that. She is a Verbena, after all.

"Remember our deal," Ami hisses in her mind.



Well, that's it. She's won, or close enough. She's beat Batman by talking, leaving him crying in an alley which may be prone to crime. But where does Janice go now?

A New Doorway Opens
[ ] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)
[ ] It's going to be hell in this snowstorm, but she needs time away from the world to settle her mind. Head up to Selene's place to meet up with Chris.
[ ] This is an awful idea. He'll have backup coming. But fuck it, in for a cent, in for a dollar. Roth is fragile now. Maybe he can be… flipped. (x0.3)
[ ] She's just exhausted. Head home. Sleep. Things can be dealt with in the morning. (x1.3)
[ ] Write-in
 
Huh.

[X] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)

Mostly because I want to see what Ami wants.
 
[ ] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)

I think it's best to handle such things ASAP, before sleeping?
 
[ ] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)

*Settle debts with Ami ASAP.
*Don't hold on to Ami longer than needed. (See: Paradigm issues.)
*Janice is tired.

[ ] It's going to be hell in this snowstorm, but she needs time away from the world to settle her mind. Head up to Selene's place to meet up with Chris.

*Don't settle debts with a spirit while emotionally wrecked.
*Actually fill up WP before doing potentially dangerous shitz.
*Get potentially important data from Chris.
*Also tell him the world's not gonna end.
*Holds onto Ami pretty long.

[ ] This is an awful idea. He'll have backup coming. But fuck it, in for a cent, in for a dollar. Roth is fragile now. Maybe he can be… flipped. (x0.3)

*I'm not going to dignify this option with a discrip.

[ ] She's just exhausted. Head home. Sleep. Things can be dealt with in the morning. (x1.3)

*Rest, relax, fill up WP.
*Do you really want a suicidal spirit attached to Janice longer than she needs it attached to her?
 
I think "A deal is a deal" is the most reasonable option. I think trying to flip him is *potentially* tempting, but I don't actually know what she would mean to flip him *to*. is this "convince him to go moderate" or "convince him to go Traditionalist"? What do we expect him to do if we *don't* manage to flip him? What would we expect him to do if we do?
 
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[X] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)

Ami is already leaking badly and if we try to sleep on this we may wake up with Ami at the wheel and Janice fading out.
 
Yeah...

[X] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)

I *might* want to switch to "flip"... if I was sure I knew what it meant and it seems like a good idea in light of that. I don't see it winning at 3-to-1 odds, though, unless it was somehow way more compelling than I'd expect.
 
[X] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)
 
Even if we could be guaranteed to flip him, I still wouldn't want to, because I don't like what that does to his narrative arc. Sometimes the best thing isn't a wary ally, but a sympathetic enemy. Leaving Roth in play but informed of his decisions is of significantly greater advantage because he's still a technocrat. The Union can't change if the Traditions filches all the promising 'crats with even a hint of mental flexibility.
 
Also, it's almost certainly a trap option. We got this far with Roth in large part because we're pushing the "moderates on both sides, we're trying to save the world" card as hard as we can. Trying to flip him would actually give him a way out, let him file us back into the box of "just another Trad smooth-talker", rather than someone with a point.
 
Even if we could be guaranteed to flip him, I still wouldn't want to, because I don't like what that does to his narrative arc. Sometimes the best thing isn't a wary ally, but a sympathetic enemy. Leaving Roth in play but informed of his decisions is of significantly greater advantage because he's still a technocrat. The Union can't change if the Traditions filches all the promising 'crats with even a hint of mental flexibility.

In particular, Roth is currently a compromised element within Oversight that they don't know about. That's arguably more useful to us than another Traditions defector.

Nevermind that with his defection, the Technocracy/Panopticon will send people to seize his assets and try to kill him.
 
[X] A deal is a deal. Get away from this place and start work on Ami's thing - and she'll need a place of power for certain things. (x0.9)
 
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