I kind of feel like this is a vote on minmaxing and I frickin hate minmaxing
sure, could you link the plans, i can't seem to find them.....scratch that i can find destiny but not the level up2.0@emberwing @D King Hecht, @Erzherzog_Karl, @Seyum, @Unearthly Sight @bigpianist @Edkose @Atri
Hey Guys, I am not asking you to change your current vote, but just making you aware that voting closes in nine hours and we have a very close vote between Plan Destiny and Be Prepared 2.0.
If y'all want to have a say in which of those wins it might be a good idea to change your vote. But you don't have to. Just making y'all aware
Maybe this has been mentioned before, but I think the best way for Anakin to study the Dark Side without having to leave the Order would be to pick Yoda as our Master.Name: Yoda
Rank: Grandmaster, Consular
Abilities: Master of Every form, Ataru Master, Force Master
Perks of Master: Permanent +6 to every Stat on level up. Learn Ataru in two less turns. Learn All Force Abilities in one less turn. Create Holocrons. Unlock Center of the Force Perk for free.
Types of Missions: Training Initiates, Studying Mysteries of the Force, Delving into the Balance Questline
Are we talking of the same Yoda? Wasn't he the one to say once you go down the dark side forever will it dominate your fate? Like... he's the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, I just don't see it. He might offer the free perk Center of the Force but to actually let us learn Dark Side techniques? He had a lot of issues with Dooku and his path, they were often at odds. Am I remembering this wrong?It's true that with Mace we get to train Vaapad and other Dark Side Abilities, but even Mace is pretty limited in what he knows of the Dark Side and many of its powers are unknown to him. Yoda would help us in the Balance Quest and to be honest, if it turns out that we have to study and learn Dark Side Techniques in order to "bring balance the Force", I don't think he would be opposed to this. Sure, it would take some convincing and he would want us to be cautious and make sure we don't go too far, but I don't think he would actively ban us from studying the Dark Side. And Yoda could convince the rest of the Council to let us do this and his knowledge of the Force is greater than probably any other Jedi, so he'd be a tremendous help in studying the Dark Side.
Are we talking of the same Yoda? Wasn't he the one to say you go down the dark side forever will it dominate your fate? Like... he's the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, I just don't see it. He might offer the free perk Center of the Force but to actually let us learn Dark Side techniques? He had a lot of issues with Dooku and his path, they were often at odds. Am I remembering this wrong?
But in the same vein having Yoda as a master gives us the opportunity to bring the most change in the order itself without necessarily going into conflict with them. As old and set in his ways as Yoda is, he has also shown that he can change his mind once he realizes his mistakes. Everyone is so up and ready to criticize the order and go against them, but as soon as a play style that allows us to progressively push the order in the right direction from the inside without direct external conflict shows up SV seems to dismiss it.Mmm... I dunno. I'd like to give Yoda credit for openmindedness, but as awesome as he is I'm not sure that is actually something he's shown.
He has had a long time to make whatever changes to the Jedi order he likes and the 'no lovers, no dark side powers, no adult trainees, no fun' party line is strong. I think he was serious about driving Luke away at first, even if Obi Wan had already convinced him to train someone. Granted, there's a fan theory that is because he was expecting Leia, but still...
With Mace, we know he'll let us study some dark side powers. Not so much with Yoda.
Yoda realized his mistakes in the years after the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire, until something big happened to shake his faith, I just don't see him allowing for great change. He's some eight hundred and something years old, he's set in his ways and it took the end of his Order for him to realize hey, maybe we went about things the wrong way, maybe instead of placing such emphasis on our weapons we should've looked to the Force.But in the same vein having Yoda as a master gives us the opportunity to bring the most change in the order itself without necessarily going into conflict with them. As old and set in his ways as Yoda is, he has also shown that he can change his mind once he realizes his mistakes. Everyone is so up and ready to criticize the order and go against them, but as soon as a play style that allows us to progressively push the order in the right direction from the inside without direct external conflict shows up SV seems to dismiss it.
All good points, but I believe that the fact Yoda changed is enough to glimpse at the possibility of changing his mind earlier. After all, we've been building a much more charismatic Anakin and being more aware of the inner workings of the Force and of the Balance could only help convincing him.Yoda realized his mistakes in the years after the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire, until something big happened to shake his faith, I just don't see him allowing for great change. He's some eight hundred and something years old, he's set in his ways and it took the end of his Order for him to realize hey, maybe we went about things the wrong way, maybe instead of placing such emphasis on our weapons we should've looked to the Force.
I mean both he and Obi-Wan went from the mentality of this weapon is your life, which the prequels underlined as a way to show us how the Jedi thought at that time, to A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never to attack, by which I mean they went back to the Force. Or maybe I'm the only one to think so?
Sure, it's a possibility I won't discount. As for me I'm still standing by Obi-Wan both from a roleplay(since Anakin is familiar with him) and gaming mechanic choice, since I'm thinking even if we progress a little slower than under other masters, long-term the bonuses will prove the better choice since I consider Abeloth the true endgame boss and Sidious a big hurdle, but nowhere near on par with her.All good points, but I believe that the fact Yoda changed is enough to glimpse at the possibility of changing his mind earlier. After all, we've been building a much more charismatic Anakin and being more aware of the inner workings of the Force and of the Balance could only help convincing him.