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What is Fate? (Percy Jackson and the Olympians Quest)

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Blonddude42 said:
I know, I was disagreeing that we'd be on his level.

Percy is overwhelmingly powerful compared to most demigods. Heracles is his best comparison.

We can be the strongest son of Demeter, but we're not gonna be stronger than Percy
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While I disagree with you, I got what you said the first time, is why I tried clearing the air.

Nonetheless I think we can be not only the most powerful child of Demeter, but a demigod powerful enough to stand as Percy's equal, on the same level as him, in our own way, if not better than him in certain areas.

Too many people here seem to think that just because we can't be as strong as Percy physically, our plants might not eventually become just as strong. There are ways to get to his level without using the same abilities he had/has/will have. Whatever.
 
Percy's dad may rule the sea, but our mom rules the land. It doesn't matter which one of us becomes more powerful, because we'll both be powerful in different ways.
 
Mirror Mage said:
Percy's dad may rule the sea, but our mom rules the land. It doesn't matter which one of us becomes more powerful, because we'll both be powerful in different ways.
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Actually she rules the farmland (including pastures to some degree) which does make up a major part of it it is not all of it. Pan and/or Artemis controlls the forests and wild places of the world depending on the point in time.

And gaia IS the earth though she is sleeping for now.

But as a general rule of the active gods (of the greeks) our mom controls the majority of the earth and her reach is expanding as deforestation occurs.

Still it will never exceed the total amount of ocean though.
 
Ducats said:
[X][Socialize] Blossom
[X][Socialize] Justin Gatlin
[X][Socialize] Try and track down Chiron.

[X][Dionysus] Call him Dio from now on.

Fuck it.


Not really, do you know how easy it is for normal people to wear armor, let alone Demi-gods? Celestial Bronze is not some unwieldy metal or else it would never be used in weapons, so an armor made of it should not be unwieldy either (as long as the armor is competently made).
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Wasn't claiming an issue of "hard to move".

It's an issue of stamina and "need to run NOW".

Armor reduces how long you can move around at your top speed which hurts their ability to run away. Mostly an issue if they need to run, quick kill some monsters, and then run some more. Maybe add a few more repetitions of the cycle.

But their demigods, so the issue of stamina could be roughly outweighed by the benefits the armor if they actually practice in it, so I'll ignore stamina.

The bigger issue in my mind is all the times where demigods "need to run NOW". Armor isn't something you want to spend all day and night in so they're gonna take it off at some point.

Shitty demigod luck means that they're gonna need to run in the middle of the night and loose whatever they can't grab fast. Their priority will be to have their weapon in hand when running, so that armor has a good chance of being left behind if it isn't on them.


lockingbane said:
I would like to point out that the actual USAGE and fighting style of it is about as different as it was with a sword. The most similar thing to it would be in the pole arm variant WHICH WE ARE NOT USING RIGHT NOW in which it is also on a pole.





About the same difference wise as far as usage goes. Besides, we are using the hand held variant not the pole arm variant. Again, that lowers the only similarity as far as fighting style goes to 0.

The only thing they have in common is the curve of the blade and that they are on poles. Not much of a similarity.

EDIT: by your a arguement a staff, spear, or any weapon with a shaft would make us kronos's host.
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fuschia said:
Physically there's little similarity, but I think people are referring more to the conceptual similarity. Which is probably most important to the gods.
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...that basically. How things work physically matters a lot less to the divine.

Appirinia said:
While I disagree with you, I got what you said the first time, is why I tried clearing the air.

Nonetheless I think we can be not only the most powerful child of Demeter, but a demigod powerful enough to stand as Percy's equal, on the same level as him, in our own way, if not better than him in certain areas.

Too many people here seem to think that just because we can't be as strong as Percy physically, our plants might not eventually become just as strong. There are ways to get to his level without using the same abilities he had/has/will have. Whatever.
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...we might be having a fundamental misunderstanding as to what "on his level" is meaning. Are you meaning it like how the seven from the second great prophecy are all on the same level? Because that is definitely within our reach if we want to work for it.

What I was interpreting it more as "just as good as Percy in the things we both do". That's not really something we will accomplish.
 
Supermushu said:
As has been pointed out in the update, Demeter is one of the central figures of the Eleusinian mysteries, making her worship older than the traditional Olympian Pantheon at around 1400 BC (much like Dionysus himself, though he was more of a death god back then).

Like Dionysus and Kronos, Demeter had a strong connection to Death, though in her case she specifically presided over the cycle of souls as the giver of nourishment. (She once cursed a guy to eternally starve and weaken but not die, and successfully overruled THE REST OF OLYMPUS including Zeus as KIng to spread famine over the earth when Persephone was kidnapped).

Since the Heroes of Olympus and Trials of Apollo both show that a demigod can with enough practice or raw talent access powers related to more obscure but powerful domains as their parents (Leo's fire, Percy's earthquakes/hurricanes etc etc). Sam could totally hang in there, with his top tier abilities being stuff like literally draining the life force out of opponents via 'negative nutrition' .

Other Titles of Demeter with amazing combat utility include:

1. Ἀγανίππη (Aganippe). 'The Nightmare'. You didn't read wrong. She is THE night-mare. Bad dreams, horrific visions, mind-rape. All possible if we take this route.

2. Ἐρινύς (Erinys). 'The Implacable'. Essentially, this is Demeter as the leader of the Erinyes (Furies). She did eventually lose this job to Hades during that whole kerfuffle over Persephone (in the myths), but she was legitimately recorded as their leader up until around 500 BC IRL, giving her ~900 years experience. I personally believe that this is how Meg Mccaffrey in the Trials of Apollo series can control the Karpoi (vengeful grain spirits, often sent to punish bad farmers who overtax the land). Other potential powers include voodoo style blood magic (i.e. you wrong me, I curse you) and potentially even invoking the Furies themselves if we master the skill.

3. Finally, and most importantly: Θεσμοφόρια (Themosphoria). 'The Giver of Divine Law'. That's right. You know those 'Divine Rules' all gods are bound to, the ones mentioned all the time in the books (don't fight mortals etc.)? DEMETER MADE THEM. SHE ALSO ENFORCES THEM. The perks of mastering this very esoteric and ancient but unbelievably powerful aspect of Sam's divine ancestry. At max level, we can literally bend the rules in our favour, repelling or even negating supernatural influences via enforcing 'mortal rules' as long as there are a lot of bystanders in the area, or even allowing immortals to be injured by purely mortal weapons with a similar effect .

Admittedly, none of these are quite as flashy as Percy's unlimited hydrokinesis, but they are in their own way just as powerful.



This is also true. My response?

we won't use it as a weapon.

Defensively, it can be used in a physical fight (the haft provides increased surface area for parries for example)

Offensively, I see it as being used as a focus for our powers- an anathame, if you will. we could use it to cut ourselves as part of growing plants, 'watering them with our blood' to increase their growth rate, lethality etc. We can also tap into Demeter's connections as a Death Goddess (see above) to use it to drain the vitality of our foes (very possible) or literally attack their soul, bypassing the body entirely (though this is unlikely given Demeter's drift away from this incarnation). NOt as good as if we were a child of Kronos, but good enough.

(Or you know, this is a fantasy story. It could just be waved away by 'Rule of Cool').
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This is an excellent point actually.

@Monk Penguin can we actually learn witchcraft here at camp?

I... I am pretty sure using our divine powers is related to magic. Though not actually magic in itself.

Also god damn. A lot of those ideas are really cool. Would be hard to get furies to practice on however. We SHOULD look into law magic though.

Might be able to help our dad see through mist.
 
zxzx24 said:
This is an excellent point actually.

@Monk Penguin can we actually learn witchcraft here at camp?

I... I am pretty sure using our divine powers is related to magic. Though not actually magic in itself.

Also god damn. A lot of those ideas are really cool. Would be hard to get furies to practice on however. We SHOULD look into law magic though.

Might be able to help our dad see through mist.
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I'm pretty sure Hazel was able to learn magic. It might have just been controlled manipulation of the Mist though. I just remember a part where Hecate was talking to Hazel about magic. It's been a while since I read the books
 
Blonddude42 said:
...we might be having a fundamental misunderstanding as to what "on his level" is meaning. Are you meaning it like how the seven from the second great prophecy are all on the same level? Because that is definitely within our reach if we want to work for it.

What I was interpreting it more as "just as good as Percy in the things we both do". That's not really something we will accomplish.
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Both. But where you think it's about matching Percy's abilities, I mostly think about finding our own abilities to combat or be able to stand up to his.

We will never be able to speak with fish, but we probably have an affinity with the dryads. We might never be a great swordsman, but we might become a great scythe user. We might never be able to split rocks with our hands, but our plants might be able to crack stone eventually.
 
Blonddude42 said:
Wasn't claiming an issue of "hard to move".

It's an issue of stamina and "need to run NOW".

Armor reduces how long you can move around at your top speed which hurts their ability to run away. Mostly an issue if they need to run, quick kill some monsters, and then run some more. Maybe add a few more repetitions of the cycle.

But their demigods, so the issue of stamina could be roughly outweighed by the benefits the armor if they actually practice in it, so I'll ignore stamina.

The bigger issue in my mind is all the times where demigods "need to run NOW". Armor isn't something you want to spend all day and night in so they're gonna take it off at some point.

Shitty demigod luck means that they're gonna need to run in the middle of the night and loose whatever they can't grab fast. Their priority will be to have their weapon in hand when running, so that armor has a good chance of being left behind if it isn't on them.
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So your argument more or less relies on the logic of "Something might go wrong even if you prepare so you better not waste time preparing". Like, I can get where you are coming from, but saying that you should not stack the deck in your favor just because bad luck might invalidate it is not helpful at all. For while we might end up in a situation where we are not able to equip armor, there will also be times where we would be dead without it.
 
Honestly speaking?
We won't match Percy in demigod power. Nuff said.

In battle of the labyrinth he caused a Earthquake powerful enough to trigger mass evacuation of the entire fault chain cities and managed to blast him to Calypso's island, not mention he accelerated Typhon's release ,which given how typhon was sealed by the entire Greek pantheon UNDER a mountain and hepestus used to guard it (let's face it that forge was probably a afterthought). That says allot.

We at max can manipulate plants and the concept of growth. Short of jailbreaking our concept like Percy did in house or Hades we ain't ever going to reach his power level.

And even then only if jailbreaking our power gets us biomancy as our growth concept comes to the fore and the fact all life is related to plans/has some plant dna (so we can self improve our body and use it to screw up an enemies body at will).

Hell even if we went Kronos avatar I don't fancy our odds (as while it would mutate our concept of growth, plants and harvest to life death and harvest/time it would be Kronos's power. NOT ours (we could use it till Kronos uses divine form and we get burned out of existence...
Edit: just read Supermushu's post on the previous page... Those skills are powerful and very much attainable, I approve!
 
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Blonddude42 said:
We might need to be a year round camper now. Need to see if any of the gods start trying to kill us off.
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Not sure why we would need to switch, Percy was attacked because his life was litteraly Illegal and had a tendency to give the minimal required amount of respect to the gods. So far we've had the upmost respect for everyone to the point of worrying that the things Blossom says will get her killed. Our plant growth is impressive but nothing thats gonna impress enough to go that can kill gods/ cause the end of the world. Plus gods view demi-gods that aren't their kids as pawns so we more likely to die from being chosen a as strong errand boy than a intentional hit job
 
Lead99 said:
I'm pretty sure Hazel was able to learn magic. It might have just been controlled manipulation of the Mist though. I just remember a part where Hecate was talking to Hazel about magic. It's been a while since I read the books
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According to riordan all demigods can use magic, though most are best at magic related to their divine heritage. They can still learn outside of it but it can be done so long as they have a teacher.

Remember circe? She taught dozens of clear sighted mortals and demigods to use magic of all sorts.

Similar idea. Main issue is probably needing a competent teacher who knows the school of magicbwe need.
 
I rather be summer only camper since we can learn more thing outside then in camp in some thing. Camp help but we need other skill just in case like our father trapping skills, different martial arts, finish school, try to get connection outside of camp, etc. Maybe we should learn first aid at some point with no ambrosia.
 
Deltamaster said:
In battle of the labyrinth he caused a Earthquake powerful enough to trigger mass evacuation of the entire fault chain cities and managed to blast him to Calypso's island, not mention he accelerated Typhon's release ,which given how typhon was sealed by the entire Greek pantheon UNDER a mountain and hepestus used to guard it (let's face it that forge was probably a afterthought). That says allot.
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Yes, but his father is aptly named Earthshaker. What is stronger, a man who can destroy an entire city or a man who can feed an entire city so long as he has a plot of land? I say both are strengths, just different.

Competing with Percy at his abilities is the surest way of failing to reach an equal standing to his. Competing against him with our own abilities might secure us that position. We will be able to eventually imbue esoteric concepts in our plants, who even knows what we are capable of? We're still growing. Heck, we might never stop.
 
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