What Happens Next (Slay The Princess/RWBY)

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and helping the authorities remove this menace from the world.
That right there is the crux of what I'm talking about. She doesn't get to do anything like that to symbolically prove to herself that she's stronger than the influence he's stained every aspect of her life with, by having him just waltz unwittingly into the eldritch lion's den and unceremoniously die without any involvement or agency from her whatsoever, other than being the bait that led him there.

Blake explicitly thinks of herself as a coward who can only run away and leave other people to deal with the problems that she's not strong enough to deal with herself. "Solving" Adam like this is like a homing missile straight into that particular complex. Now if you want that to be the point, where Stella and Sable's help is the most practical and satisfying solution, but comes at the cost of unintentionally aggravating Blake's insecurities and regret, making their subsequent attempts at therapy and helping her achieve closure even more difficult, then that's fine to explore as a plot line. I just hope that's addressed instead of it being treated as the easy solution with no downsides.
 
I was going to begin writing a post about how this is a complicated topic and I'll need time to formulate a proper response of parts of my reasoning, then I reached this part of your post:
Solving" Adam like this is like a homing missile straight into that particular complex. Now if you want that to be the point, where Stella and Sable's help is the most practical and satisfying solution, but comes at the cost of unintentionally aggravating Blake's insecurities and regret, making their subsequent attempts at therapy and helping her achieve closure even more difficult, then that's fine to explore as a plot line. I just hope that's addressed instead of it being treated as the easy solution with no downsides.

Which, while it isn't all of it, is enough.

So, yeah, that is part of it, part of Stella's rebuke (that she will have to hammer in in the next months) will be that Blake didn't *do nothing*, she asked Ozpin for help, and just that is a formidable undertaking.

Blake's entire intended arc is about making her feel self-worth again, able to, if not be proud, at least not be ashamed.

Out of all of the canon cast that will come to you, she is probably the most difficult case, followed by Weiss, I'd say.

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Actually, correction, Pyrrha may be the second most difficult case.
 
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I was going to begin writing a post about how this is a complicated topic and I'll need time to formulate a proper response of parts of my reasoning, then I reached this part of your post:


Which, while it isn't all of it, is enough.

So, yeah, that is part of it, part of Stella's rebuke (that she will have to hammer in in the next months) will be that Blake didn't *do nothing*, she asked Ozpin for help, and just that is a formidable undertaking.

Blake's entire intended arc is about making her feel self-worth again, able to, if not be proud, at least not be ashamed.

Out of all of the canon cast that will come to you, she is probably the most difficult case, followed by Weiss, I'd say.
Mmm, I guess I'm just wary from seeing too many fics where the OP crossover insert character(s) just curb stomps every antagonist they come across and solves all of the setting's problems, sidelining the native characters from their own personal stories in the process. That was one of the things I was hoping we'd steer away from by going the teacher route instead of joining the main cast directly, we'd help develop and empower them so they could better overcome their challenges outside of our direct involvement, instead of doing all of the hero work for them. Immediately capping Adam isn't necessarily at that level, but only due to the counseling follow up, and I hope it's not a trend setter for how the rest of the villains are going to be addressed going forward.
 
As far as the rest of the year is intended to go:

My goal is to have you work on helping RWBY and JNPR in their struggles, both as teenagers and as future defender of Remnant (well, not the same teams exactly since Jaune isn't there and Penny is, funny that nobody remarked on her appearance last update, by the way).

The case with Adam here is due to him being far out of Blake's league, her information allowing for a fast strike, his desire for retaliation, and other factors.

But as it is I have ideas on an arc about helping Blake that will begin now and cover the time till canon, then you will be introduced to your charges, with Blake still a work in progress.

From there, we'll see how the year goes.
 
[x] Take the form of the Stranger and explain about how you met your Killer/Betrayer/Destined Adversary/ Savior/ that Stranger. Hint at something more.
 
As far as the rest of the year is intended to go:

My goal is to have you work on helping RWBY and JNPR in their struggles, both as teenagers and as future defender of Remnant (well, not the same teams exactly since Jaune isn't there and Penny is, funny that nobody remarked on her appearance last update, by the way).

I absolutely remarked her appearance, i am just very salty we didn't get to talk to her.
 
I absolutely remarked her appearance, i am just very salty we didn't get to talk to her.

Don't worry, you'll see her when the year begins, she successfully transferred.

Now, a thing I had some time to think about:
Mmm, I guess I'm just wary from seeing too many fics where the OP crossover insert character(s) just curb stomps every antagonist they come across and solves all of the setting's problems, sidelining the native characters from their own personal stories in the process.

A slight disconnect between what I am thinking of the situation and this is that I am not a fan of the *adults are useless* trope.

Basically, I do not think RWBY and co, who are teenagers, should in any way be the ones that beat the very dangerous antagonists when Beacon has able bodied huntsmen right there.

Not necessarily you, is the thing, Glynda was the one that made Adam flee when meeting Blake and if her priority hadn't been to extract, she would already had taken care of him.

Same with Cinder, sure in canon Ozpin died so there is a reason Pyrrha has to continue alone, but the students being the only ones defending the school seems… strange.

Our duo is not going to take care of all the antagonists, but if anyone has anything to say about it amongst the rest of the adult cast, neither will the 15 to 17 years old girls.

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Finally got on the corrections, two little details:


Nope, Mister, Stella doesn't get what his rank really means, part of why she and Sable spend a lot of the conversation practically ignoring him.


Actually, it's not a change that makes you more honest here, but a change that give you a more honest impression of what Glynda is thinking, so I put a *is* instead of *are* as a correction instead.
 
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Ok, I think the vote is settled enough:
Adhoc vote count started by Nyarky on Jan 16, 2024 at 4:11 PM, finished with 61 posts and 31 votes.


Now that the voting cycle is over, I can finally say a thing I was thinking about the write-in that I couldn't because it would have influenced it too much:

About telling Glynda that *your story is harrowing and fraught with horror*, I want to remind you that she is:

-A veteran huntress who has almost certainly seen quite a lot of horrible things. She has almost certainly seen villages be destroyed, for example, with all the population being slaughtered by Grimm.

-The co-director of Beacon, who is well acquainted with students self-aggrandizing and stalling. Which, I am sorry to say, is what the phrasing sounds like.

She would not have been impressed by it, at all, as in, she would not even let you finish the sentence before pointing what I said out.
 
A slight disconnect between what I am thinking of the situation and this is that I am not a fan of the *adults are useless* trope.

Basically, I do not think RWBY and co, who are teenagers, should in any way be the ones that beat the very dangerous antagonists when Beacon has able bodied huntsmen right there.

Not necessarily you, is the thing, Glynda was the one that made Adam flee when meeting Blake and if her priority hadn't been to extract, she would already had taken care of him.

Same with Cinder, sure in canon Ozpin died so there is a reason Pyrrha has to continue alone, but the students being the only ones defending the school seems… strange.

Our duo is not going to take care of all the antagonists, but if anyone has anything to say about it amongst the rest of the adult cast, neither will the 15 to 17 years old girls.

100% agree!

Blake explicitly thinks of herself as a coward who can only run away and leave other people to deal with the problems that she's not strong enough to deal with herself. "Solving" Adam like this is like a homing missile straight into that particular complex. Now if you want that to be the point, where Stella and Sable's help is the most practical and satisfying solution, but comes at the cost of unintentionally aggravating Blake's insecurities and regret, making their subsequent attempts at therapy and helping her achieve closure even more difficult, then that's fine to explore as a plot line. I just hope that's addressed instead of it being treated as the easy solution with no downsides.

However I understand your concerns about OP characters going in and fixing everything trivially. I've seen that many times and often disliked it. However, I believe that Stella and Sable of all people would understand the importance of people's stories. As soon as they learn about Salem, sure they can march on over to the Grimmlands and try to kill her... But they are dedicated to playing the roles of people and they're teachers first. They may also want to see how humanity fares, and they probably don't want people to dependent on gods to save themselves.

Anyway, Blake still doesn't need to be that important in killing Adam. Blake *believes* the best way for her to not feel like a coward is to define herself in terms of Adam and kill him herself. So she would go from "I'm controlled by Adam so I'm a coward" to "I killed Adam so I'm... idk, I'm better and strong". That's still unhealthily defining the new foundation of her identity in terms of her dead ex. She can live her life beyond him, and find courage and self-respect for herself in much healthier and less stressful ways.

Finally, Blake is one character. She's narratively "important" to "canon" but there's no need to let Adam hurt more people (for years, at least 2 years for Blake and co. to be ready come on) just so Blake can be more important in dealing with him. Letting the cast be teenagers without worrying overly about the apocalypse is a treat, really.

And from a reader's POV: I think it's way too rare to find RWBY fics that still keep the world as a terrible apocalypse that's not instantly solved, while not putting all of that pressure on saving the world onto teenagers. So yes, seeing responsible and properly strong adults doing their job is a wonderful treat.

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Edit: about Glynda... She can respect Stella as a teacher and a Huntress after hearing her story and acknowledging her abilities. She knows that Ozpin approves. But knowing that Stella is very sheltered, hasn't really helped people much since.. Well. She was stuck in a basement since her earliest memories or whatever may not be someone Glynda actually wants to befriend. Stella probably won't seem like a human or faunus anymore either. And I think that's OK.

Is Glynda actually friends with any of the teachers or just acquaintances?
 
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Anyway, Blake still doesn't need to be that important in killing Adam. Blake *believes* the best way for her to not feel like a coward is to define herself in terms of Adam and kill him herself. So she would go from "I'm controlled by Adam so I'm a coward" to "I killed Adam so I'm... idk, I'm better and strong". That's still unhealthily defining the new foundation of her identity in terms of her dead ex. She can live her life beyond him, and find courage and self-respect for herself in much healthier and less stressful ways.

That is another important part of my reasoning, so thanks for putting it out.

Basically, what Naan said about Blake getting worse if she feels that she didn't contribute to killing Adam is true… in the short term.

She will feel horrible for it, Stella's job will contain a lot of explaining to her that this doesn't make her a coward. But long term, this is actually better, her best way to recover isn't to literally kill this particular demon, it's to leave him behind (metaphorically killing him) and live her best life.

Blake is not a supersoldier, she's a hurt 17 year old girl who just got out of a cult.

Is Glynda actually friends with any of the teachers or just acquaintances?

She is actually friends with some in this universe.
 
Anyway, Blake still doesn't need to be that important in killing Adam. Blake *believes* the best way for her to not feel like a coward is to define herself in terms of Adam and kill him herself. So she would go from "I'm controlled by Adam so I'm a coward" to "I killed Adam so I'm... idk, I'm better and strong".

Basically, what Naan said about Blake getting worse if she feels that she didn't contribute to killing Adam is true… in the short term.

She will feel horrible for it, Stella's job will contain a lot of explaining to her that this doesn't make her a coward. But long term, this is actually better, her best way to recover isn't to literally kill this particular demon, it's to leave him behind (metaphorically killing him) and live her best life.
You're both kind of fixating on me wanting Blake to kill Adam to prove her physical strength as equating to emotional strength, when I never actually said that. I don't want Blake to literally kill Adam, especially since she never wanted to kill him either, I want her to overcome him (metaphorically killing him, as you say) in a way that isn't solely attributable to the out-of-context character being her savior. An essential part of that includes her working to prove him wrong in their divide on the issues of equality, faunus discrimination, vengeance, and violence, since those subjects are a core part of their backstories together.

While the most exciting and thematic way to symbolize that is for her to form stronger bonds of actual friendship and mutual respect with other people (teammates), who will be there to support her both in her continued activism and when the time comes to stand up to him and (non-lethally if it was just up to them) kick his butt when he instigates a climactic confrontation, I can accept his presence as an obstacle to surpass isn't strictly necessary.

However I'm not as much of a fan of all this emphasis I'm seeing on her being "a hurt 17 year old girl". Yeah that's a small part of what she is, but she's also already an experienced top-tier fighter for her generation, a guerilla survivalist of the Grimm-infested wilderness, and a passionate idealist. A lot of those things you said about Glynda's experience and toughness should also apply to Blake, even if it's to a lesser degree, she shouldn't just be treated as a broken bird.

Same with Cinder, sure in canon Ozpin died so there is a reason Pyrrha has to continue alone, but the students being the only ones defending the school seems… strange.
The students aren't the only ones fighting in the defense though? The adults are shown participating in the Battle of Beacon, they deployed to protect civilians further away from the academy, then were bogged down by the chaos when the villains assaulted the school directly. We just got brief glimpses of them because, well, they're not the main characters doing the important plot events. There's some examples of this "Adults are useless" trope that you hate where there isn't quite a good enough justification for it in-story (I believe the most egregious of which were rooted in unfortunate production issues in the background), but I wouldn't say this is one of them.

As for the trope in general, trying to minimize it is fair enough, but there's ways to do that without rendering the titular characters irrelevant to the plot. Adults don't have to be incompetent to just…not happen to be nearby based on the circumstances, requiring the prospective heroes (which is what they're trying to become as Huntsmen and Huntresses) to step up to the plate and either solve the challenge or at least buy enough time for the more experienced characters to respond. Especially if the enemies are purposefully trying to maneuver around the obviously powerful adults, and/or the students are independently involving themselves in the conflict, both of which were actually the main drivers behind most of the action in the early Volumes.

You mentioned being a fan of Devourer of Worlds, and that's actually one of the strongest aspects of that quest. There were hard limits on how the OP Eldritch God PC could exert its influence in the world, which helped to keep the overall character and franchise agency more balanced than it would've been otherwise.

When you get down to it, being a main character necessitates being involved in the main plot. If you're saying that the titular characters are going to be kept out of the conflicts with the villains altogether while the adults handle everything, then that can either mean,

A: RWBY, JNPR, and the rest are essentially being relegated to side characters at the kiddie table, while the adults are the main characters of this story as they deal with the actual plot. That's…one way to go about things, though not what I was looking for going into this.

B: The plot is derailed enough for the purpose of focusing on them as main characters, but only in the context of them being trainees going through school, shifting the story to such a degree that it kind of changes genres. Don't know what to expect from that.

Nope, Mister, Stella doesn't get what his rank really means, part of why she and Sable spend a lot of the conversation practically ignoring him.
Even if their impressions didn't give her that basic knowledge of what it means, wouldn't she still repeat it just for the sake of using the form of address she was given for him? I'd expect the "You may refer to me as Your Royal Highness." Princess to have more respect for titles in general like that.
 
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You're both kind of fixating on me wanting Blake to kill Adam to prove her physical strength as equating to emotional strength, when I never actually said that. I don't want Blake to literally kill Adam, especially since she never wanted to kill him either, I want her to overcome him (metaphorically killing him, as you say) in a way that isn't solely attributable to the out-of-context character being her savior. An essential part of that includes her working to prove him wrong in their divide on the issues of equality, faunus discrimination, vengeance, and violence, since those subjects are a core part of their backstories together.

While the most exciting and thematic way to symbolize that is for her to form stronger bonds of actual friendship and mutual respect with other people (teammates), who will be there to support her both in her continued activism and when the time comes to stand up to him and (non-lethally if it was just up to them) kick his butt when he instigates a climactic confrontation, I can accept his presence as an obstacle to surpass isn't strictly necessary.

However I'm not as much of a fan of all this emphasis I'm seeing on her being "a hurt 17 year old girl". Yeah that's a small part of what she is, but she's also already an experienced top-tier fighter for her generation, a guerilla survivalist of the Grimm-infested wilderness, and a passionate idealist. A lot of those things you said about Glynda's experience and toughness should also apply to Blake, even if it's to a lesser degree, she shouldn't just be treated as a broken bird.

Fair enough, and I agree that yes there is larger social struggle that she can bring into mentally overcome him. She can prove Adam wrong, perhaps by engaging with his arguments in the public sphere, or prove herself through her activism like openly supporting the White Fang. Though I think Adam would be enraged and not really much of someone to talk to ever. I think in the short term (a couple of months or even a year), Blake may not want to be much of a public figure though. She's trying to figure out what opinions are actually hers and perhaps get de-radicalized. Not to conflate "publicity" with activism, but social activism as opposed to just attacking Grimm Fang places cannot happen alone. And Blake's parents lead the White Fang (or have stepped down in this fic? I forget which).

Yes Blake is strong in her own ways, and she can show that in hunter-in-training missions that go wrong or whatever. Or maybe main characters from canon can notice or get targeted by enemies.

But.. on the topic of excitement, even if Adam dies of course the Grimm Fang would still target Blake as a traitor, and probably go after her in different ways.

When you get down to it, being a main character necessitates being involved in the main plot. If you're saying that the titular characters are going to be kept out of the conflicts with the villains altogether while the adults handle everything, then that can either mean,

A: RWBY, JNPR, and the rest are essentially being relegated to side characters at the kiddie table, while the adults are the main characters of this story as they deal with the actual plot. That's…one way to go about things, though not what I was looking for going into this.

B: The plot is derailed enough for the purpose of focusing on them as main characters, but only in the context of them being trainees going through school, shifting the story to such a degree that it kind of changes genres. Don't know what to expect from that.

Those are just 2 possibilities, we don't know how Nyarky's going to take it. Like I already mentioned, the main characters can be relevant to the plot by being targeted by some enemies like the Grimm Fang, Weiss because she's a very controversial figure, Ruby and her team because of her silver eyes, Pyrrha because of her reputation and whatever Problems she has in this fic, etc. It's ripe with conflict there.

They can be mostly just in school with their own side quests, investigating what they want to (and probably getting in trouble with teachers similar to canon), but all I'm saying is the main characters don't need to *directly* deal with the apocalypse to really struggle and grow. From reading/skimming many RWBY fanfics I don't want to see another one where teenagers shoulder the world (and I'm not saying that's what your advocating for here).

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I think part of my interest in this fic is indeed how different and not-quite grimderp this world is, the new dimensions to characters, and Sable/Stella's effects on the plot. I care about Stella's POV more though, so just seeing canon main characters mentioned on the side or in some scenes is fine with me. I'm just as if not more interested in seeing how she interacts with the older hunters and teachers.

I am personally ok with these characters kind of (?) sitting at the kiddy table for some time, but they're likely to pursue conflict on their own.

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I'm happy with whatever Nyarky writes. At some point, constructive, critical discussion and the points we're making kind of goes into "this is what I want so I think you should write it" rather than "here's some ideas and it would be cool if the OP considered them." This is good discussion and all but we might be close to regurgitating things and overly focusing on Blake. She's just 1 character out of many.

Thank you Nyarky, this is an awesome quest. Hope you don't burn yourself out on it.
 
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On Blake in this quest
Ok, since the conversation reached a point where a big hidden part of my reasoning has been alluded to, plus a conversation with someone out of quest that pointed out sole of the same elements I was thinking of….

However I'm not as much of a fan of all this emphasis I'm seeing on her being "a hurt 17 year old girl". Yeah that's a small part of what she is, but she's also already an experienced top-tier fighter for her generation, a guerilla survivalist of the Grimm-infested wilderness, and a passionate idealist.

The thing is, you are thinking of her canon self… she isn't an experienced top-fighter guerrilla survivzlist first here, she is a 17 years old that just got out of a cult.

Sending her to train and fight murderbeast is not a good thing, it's abusing a child soldier because she's already trained.

So, and this also relates to this quote:
B: The plot is derailed enough for the purpose of focusing on them as main characters, but only in the context of them being trainees going through school, shifting the story to such a degree that it kind of changes genres. Don't know what to expect from that.

It's that, canon was just fired out of a canon here.

Stella will evaluate Blake mental state, and come to the conclusion that, nope, she is not fit for becoming a huntress.

What she needs is a stable environment where she can get out of her constant combat ready state, and she won't get that in Beacon.

She's going back to her parents, and they will teach her all they know about both being a chieftain and the leader of the white fang, that's how she will kill that demon, by becoming in truth what Adam claimed to be.
 
I think the most important takeaway here is... that RWBY and JNPR are not the main characters of this story. Stella and Sable are.

It is true that the students are the core characters of RWBY, the show. But neither are they the viewpoint characters here, nor were this story's protagonists voted to be their classmates. Hence why expecting the students to be the big heroes when still in school does not quite fit.

I am not saying they will never do anything, or that the teachers will take everything off them. But this will not be stations of canon, we know that. The students are likely to have their own, smaller adventures. And as much as I do not like the Jaundice arc in Volume 1, it makes for a good example of the sort of adventures they will have. Student adventures.
 
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Another thing to add on student adventures is that, while the show is bad at showing it, there is a large amount of time that passes in the first three seasons.

Jaunedice happens weeks after the beginning of the year, the vytal festival is months after it. (And somehow, Ruby never explained her sister's semblance to their team for at least a month, but I blame that on needing exposition.)
 
So, after this heavy topic, why not lighten the mood a little?

I had some thought about the initiation, basically, Stella and Sable will not do much during it, but the students will.

Here is what I was wondering:

Do you want to see it from a student point of view?

Options would be Penny, Ruby, Yang, Nora and Ren, Pyrrha or Weiss.

Though I have a preference for Penny for a number of reasons and will default to her in most cases.

It's not a formal vote, more testing the waters.
 
I'm interested in it. Will they see our favorite duo in the background and discuss potential gossip filtered through the grape vine into hilarity?

Edit: though maybe that's too self-aggrandizing. Maybe just casually showing up in the background with the other teachers during orientation.
 
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Not sure yet, right now most of my attention is on the next update, what you tell to Glynda and what will be the next vote (Probably a battle plan in cooperation with the rest of Beacon against the Grimm fang, more precisely, where you will go and with who).

The most likely is *sees you among the other teachers*, maybe some talks she had with Ironwood if it's Penny.

You may have met the Ozluminati only as a teacher with promise, but all of them have at least an inkling that Oz is thinking on having you enter their circle at some point, they just have no idea how much you already know.
 
[X] Ask if she truly wants to know this, explain that It would be a story long and harrowing fraught with the horrors of the world as you knew it at the time and that once you begin, she might in fact wish that you had never started it. (If Yes she wants the story with all the horrible details turn into the Stranger if not continue the tale of the Thorn.)
 
[X] Ask if she truly wants to know this, explain that It would be a story long and harrowing fraught with the horrors of the world as you knew it at the time and that once you begin, she might in fact wish that you had never started it. (If Yes she wants the story with all the horrible details turn into the Stranger if not continue the tale of the Thorn.)
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I see someone got why I preferred showing from her POV. :V

She, she is a little different, I'll try not to make her an Penny in name only though.
 
A thought I had: Weiss would likely be one of the people most at ease with Stella's mindset swings when she shapeshifts, as her butler Klein (the closest thing she had to loving family growing up) has a Semblance that changes his personality around.

The shapeshifting itself would be new, though.
 
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