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TPK said:
And you would answer it in the situation where you don't want to look like you're ignorant of what Town's name is, so come on. Name me a song.
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I'm back. Fuck this. Honestly, TPK, I thought better of you. You can argue that this isn't directly quoting the role PM, but it's about the same god damn shit that was pulled during Crystalwatcher's clusterfuck of a game. No offense to CW of course. I don't want that happening again. If it wasn't so close, I'd policy vote you.
 
atk50 said:
I'm back. Fuck this. Honestly, TPK, I thought better of you. You can argue that this isn't directly quoting the role PM, but it's about the same god damn shit that was pulled during Crystalwatcher's clusterfuck of a game. No offense to CW of course. I don't want that happening again. If it wasn't so close, I'd policy vote you.
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It's not nearly as bad as what was pulled in Crys' game. Not even close.
 
The current situation seems to be an ideological split between town who think this is over the line and those who believe it's a perfectly legitimate tactic, correct?

I kinda want to reveal some information about my role since I do have votes, but it's hard to do without a full roleclaim, which is also too much.
Which is annoying because I like phrasing roleclaims, but it is still bad. I just... Hum...
LostDeviljho said:
It's not nearly as bad as what was pulled in Crys' game. Not even close.
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Given that the result would be the same if I answer, how is it not that bad?
Well, maybe I'm misremembering. There were only two people proven by then, right?
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
In regards to cult being useful to mafia, cult are even more dangerous than mafia so town has to focus on them so they can't snowball. There is also the fact that mafia likely doesn't even know if there is a cult or not. So why and how would mafia reveal cult to town?
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Are you saying that you know there is, separately, a town, a cult, and a mafia?
 
I think Scum is not taking part in the accusations much, though it's hard to tell.

Methink's scum is one of those of middling participation, as atk, nani, tpk all are probably town.
 
Rikimaru said:
Methink's scum is one of those of middling participation, as atk, nani, tpk all are probably town.
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I have to phrase this correctly in order to not make myself suspicious. This is a dangerous line of thought. See Megaolix's performance in Bad Blood for an example of how high participation can win the game for mafia.
 
Nani all you have to say is town's team name and all statements against you go out the window. If you answer it correctly you're clear from this trap and its off the board. If you refuse to answer you're obstructing your own defense likely indicating in this type of scenario scum, we don't need a full role claim we just need town's name. If you answer incorrectly well you're scum.

I must admit I don't know what happened in CW's game that is being referenced but this is a one time tool, just respond to it.
 
Rikimaru said:
I think Scum is not taking part in the accusations much, though it's hard to tell.

Methink's scum is one of those of middling participation, as atk, nani, tpk all are probably town.
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Well, me and TPK probably both are, at least, but incompatible views mean like...
How to put it... I want to take my vote off of him to better win the game, because I mostly put it there as a "Fuck you" which won't get us closer to winning the game. On the other hand, I think his approach is wrong, and it feels cheap to just undo a policy lynch despite not being convinced I was wrong, with him the same.
Hum. There's what, twelve voters in that setup? I find it highly likely scum are involved in one bandwagon or another. Not too helpful, but staying out of it isn't necessarily a maf move at this point.
ComiTurtle said:
Nani all you have to say is town's team name and all statements against you go out the window. If you answer it correctly you're clear from this trap and its off the board. If you refuse to answer you're obstructing your own defense likely indicating in this type of scenario scum, we don't need a full role claim we just need town's name. If you answer incorrectly well you're scum.

I must admit I don't know what happened in CW's game that is being referenced but this is a one time tool, just respond to it.
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ComiTurtle said:
I must admit I don't know what happened in CW's game that is being referenced but this is a one time tool, just respond to it.
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Practically the same question, just with wincon added. First it was "protect the base", and then someone revealed human soldier. That was it from there.
 
Ah, the joys of being distracted during a hammer game. By the time you check what's going on you can't vote because it would get things too close. Honestly both sides have me facepalming, but really Day one Lynches tend to be a mess like that. At least there's no actual claims yet.
 
Joebobjoe said:
Ah, the joys of being distracted during a hammer game. By the time you check what's going on you can't vote because it would get things too close. Honestly both sides have me facepalming, but really Day one Lynches tend to be a mess like that. At least there's no actual claims yet.
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Weigh in on which side you are more favoring voting on please. For future analysis.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Nani all you have to say is town's team name and all statements against you go out the window. If you answer it correctly you're clear from this trap and its off the board. If you refuse to answer you're obstructing your own defense likely indicating in this type of scenario scum, we don't need a full role claim we just need town's name. If you answer incorrectly well you're scum.

I must admit I don't know what happened in CW's game that is being referenced but this is a one time tool, just respond to it.
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Nanimani said:
How to put it... I want to take my vote off of him to better win the game, because I mostly put it there as a "Fuck you" which won't get us closer to winning the game. On the other hand, I think his approach is wrong, and it feels cheap to just undo a policy lynch despite not being convinced I was wrong, with him the same.
Hum. There's what, twelve voters in that setup? I find it highly likely scum are involved in one bandwagon or another. Not too helpful, but staying out of it isn't necessarily a maf move at this point.
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And this is why I will not remove my policy vote.

Flavor claims, like the subtle jokes I toss in when I don't have a headache, are fine. That's roleplay.

But asking? Demanding?

That crosses the line.

The goal should be to maximize fun, and requiring people to flavor claim based off an external source is decidedly detrimental.

And that's the "airplane mode" call, so signing off now.
 
AlphaDelta said:
And this is why I will not remove my policy vote.

Flavor claims, like the subtle jokes I toss in when I don't have a headache, are fine. That's roleplay.

But asking? Demanding?

That crosses the line.

The goal should be to maximize fun, and requiring people to flavor claim based off an external source is decidedly detrimental.

And that's the "airplane mode" call, so signing off now.
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You'll see this much later but I'm not asking for an "external source" I'm asking for town's name which at least all town players got in the role PM.
What I want to here from you is a reason why TPK is scum and actually worth a vote/death. Because I don't see why any town would see TPK as anything other than town with current evidence/play and thus even a policy vote on him is anti-town in my view point. Change my mind.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Because I don't see why any town would see TPK as anything other than town with current evidence/play and thus even a policy vote on him is anti-town in my view point. Change my mind.
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Like, the thing is that in this, at least, you have a point. I can't really argue against that.
But at the same time, I can't let this go.
 
Winged Cat said:
Are you saying that you know there is, separately, a town, a cult, and a mafia?
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In a 15 player game? Those numbers don't make sense do I rather doubt that.

ComiTurtle said:
Nani all you have to say is town's team name and all statements against you go out the window. If you answer it correctly you're clear from this trap and its off the board. If you refuse to answer you're obstructing your own defense likely indicating in this type of scenario scum, we don't need a full role claim we just need town's name. If you answer incorrectly well you're scum.

I must admit I don't know what happened in CW's game that is being referenced but this is a one time tool, just respond to it.
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You are assuming that it clears a person as town. The GM could easily just tell mafia players what is the town name and color so this line of questioning is pointless at best in my mind and one that I dislike on a personal level due to previous games.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
You are assuming that it clears a person as town. The GM could easily just tell mafia players what is the town name and color so this line of questioning is pointless at best in my mind and one that I dislike on a personal level due to previous games.
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I'm not saying that it 100% clears them I'm saying that not knowing indicates not town. The DM at least appears to have intentionally not pointed out that scum is aware of town name by choosing to use Dekutulla's rules over TPK's.

Thus Nanimani's play is consistent with a scum player unaware of town's team name, and their death would reveal layers of information that TPK's death would not. If Nani flips scum it confirms that scum are unaware of town's team name proving TPK at the very least and making a large sum of other players suspect for their defense of Nanimani. TPK's death does nothing other than serve as a statement that policy lynches are apparently more important than anything else and thus day 1s should be nearly psuedo-random lynches for all time.
 
Rikimaru said:
So who has spoken the least, without an excuse?
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For teaching I won't say exactly who but show you how to find that information.

At the top of the page there is a button that reads "Thread Tools" if you click on that you can either click on "Who Replied" or "Vote Tally."

Vote Tally is the in forum voting program analysis Vote Tally will show you how many posts people have in the entire thread if you then click on the number in row with their name you will be taken to a log of all of their posts in thread.
 
ComiTurtle said:
If Nani flips scum it confirms that scum are unaware of town's team name proving TPK at the very least and making a large sum of other players suspect for their defense of Nanimani.
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Incorrect. This is how I would react town or maf.
It's a matter of principle. You can understand what that is, correct?
 
ComiTurtle said:
Thus Nanimani's play is consistent with a scum player unaware of town's team name, and their death would reveal layers of information that TPK's death would not. If Nani flips scum it confirms that scum are unaware of town's team name proving TPK at the very least and making a large sum of other players suspect for their defense of Nanimani. TPK's death does nothing other than serve as a statement that policy lynches are apparently more important than anything else and thus day 1s should be nearly psuedo-random lynches for all time.
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On the other hand, such a meta is decidedly non-fun in the long run.

Mafia's core is analysis of interplayer interaction, not fluff claims. I consider it tantamount to repeatedly asking someone who can't keep a straight face if they are mafia. It's scummy. Once is fun, for laughs, but the second, or third, or tenth?
 
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