-Despite being tired and wounded by some of the best the Dwarfs can muster, Neferata still manages to duel the Enchantress on relatively even ground until she fucks up

(Besides, if I was trying to go full BRETONNIA STRONK I would've had the Enchantress just Glare Neferata to death-- which is actually a thing she can do, canonically)

How do you suppose I can manage to make this series of events more obvious, besides what I've already done?
It's not just the series of events, it's also thematically and how the scene is framed. I don't get the sense that she was on relatively even ground at all, the passage is written as her constantly taking wounds and, worse of all, psychologically losing hard to hero of the day Enchantress who does what the dwarves failed to do and apparently effortlessly. Compare against how you wrote Morathi and perhaps as an artifact of the difference in perspective, but she just went down swinging, she didn't get sentence upon sentence about how she was scared of her opponents or what was coming etc
 
It's not just the series of events, it's also thematically and how the scene is framed. I don't get the sense that she was on relatively even ground at all, the passage is written as her constantly taking wounds and, worse of all, psychologically losing hard to hero of the day Enchantress who does what the dwarves failed to do and apparently effortlessly. Compare against how you wrote Morathi and perhaps as an artifact of the difference in perspective, but she just went down swinging, she didn't get sentence upon sentence about how she was scared of her opponents or what was coming etc
The Fay did get knocked the fuck back and had her nose broken, though I suppose that does rather pale in comparison to what happened to Neferata.

Still, you make a fair point-- certainly looking back, having the Enchantress stab Neferata through the back as she was crawling away was a bit much.

I have edited it more. Better?
 
The Fay did get knocked the fuck back and had her nose broken, though I suppose that does rather pale in comparison to what happened to Neferata.

Still, you make a fair point-- certainly looking back, having the Enchantress stab Neferata through the back as she was crawling away was a bit much.

I have edited it more. Better?
Yeah, at least there I can buy that she gave into hubris, though where the blade comes from at the end is a little mysterious. (Compare against the Episode 1 scene this is most like and he could force leap up and behind instead of be hanging on and then grab a blade and stab her too quick for her to realize).

From the new parts:
She, who had stared Emperor's in the eye; she who had ruined Strigos; she who had unleashed the Red Duke without ounce of fear. The Spider at the Center of the World's Web let herself do something she had not done in Millennia.
"That's right, child. Who are you to come and try and challenge me? Lord have died at my slightest. I have drained the kings of Karaks dry. I broke Strigos for Fun!" The blood-drinker walked over to the edge, gripping her wounded arm. "You were never any competition, you would-be Khalida!"
These two are a bit repetitive in terms of boasts, even if one is internal and one is external.

She looked over the.
Dropped word
 
Yeah, at least there I can buy that she gave into hubris, though where the blade comes from at the end is a little mysterious. (Compare against the Episode 1 scene this is most like and he could force leap up and behind instead of be hanging on and then grab a blade and stab her too quick for her to realize).

From the new parts:


These two are a bit repetitive in terms of boasts, even if one is internal and one is external.


Dropped word
She was holding it in her other hand, the broken one that looked useless.

Changed the boast and finished the sentence.
 
Yeah I like the new version much better. And let it be known that I don't know much about Warhammer, but from what I did know I knew Nefereta was big news and it seemed like she died pretty easy. The new version makes it a lot more clear how tough she was.
 
Old World News Turn 22
Old World News Turn 22

Bretonnia

Black Chasm Skirmish: A small number of knights, led by Duke Louis of Parravon, assaulted the Black Chasm synchronously with a number of Wood Elf Warriors. Assailing as the adherents of Clans Eshin and Pestilens fought amongst themselves, the good warriors fought their way to the dungeons, where, held captive by the Skaven, the daughter of Araloth prepared her own escape.

In a frenzy of blood and death, the new ruler of Talsyn slew her captors for vengeance's sake, then parted with the rest of the Asrai and the Bretonnians.

Grom Heads South: Grom the Pauch has begun heading south, away from Parravon and Montfort and towards Aquitane, hounded by the King, who has slowly but surely chipped away the forces of the Goblin.

New Lord Of Aquitaine: Sir Hugh the Far-Seer has won the crown of Aquitaine in a melee betwixt himself and Sir Louis; the new Duke's supporters and himself met his fellow claimant in sight of the Lady, and he was found more worthy. Sir Louis has taken it with relatively good cheer.

Estalia and Tilea
Battle of the Burning Bridge: Estalian forces in the crusade. General Camilla met the Champion of Alejandro-- a Vampire-- in battle over the Great Bridge of Don Darío. As the two met in combat, the risen vampiric forces-- the Twisted Ladies of the Mountains-- seemed to go berserk as though they felt something snap in them; and as they were distracted the General had the bridge destroyed, and the undead vermin fell to the pit as the dark intelligence that might have guided them was instead leagues away.

This should make things much easier.

The Walls Hold: The walls of Fort Oro have been placed under siege by the Myrmiddian League of Tilea. The mightiest concentration of trainees in the Mad King's grasp, to take hold of it is have slow the expansion of his armies.

Day and night, the guns of the wall and the guns of the army trade fire.

Fleet of Foot: The Fleet of the Chivalric Alliance of Tilea has placed the Mad King's city under blockade, interdicting trade and keeping weapons of war from flowing into its streets.

Dwarfs

Goodly Revenge: The Dwarfs have avenged a slight long in the waiting. The Queen of Darkness, Neferata, has been slain and the Silver Pinnacle retaken for the Dawi. A force of five-thousand dwarfs, led by some of the mightiest figures of the Dawi, marched on the Pinnacle, and put to the blade the servants of death who sullied the stone.

Death: Victory did not come without sacrifice. High-King Thorgrim Grudgebearer's eye was ripped of its socket; King Alrik is unlikely to ever walk without brace or cane again; worst of all, King Kazador died in the original fighting, killed by the Dark Queen when she drained his body dry to help heal.

The King's son has not been seen for some days, busy hunting down what Vampires he knows of.

Druchii

Assassin: A black cloaked warrior of Khaine slipped into Bretonnia under guise. Slipping into the forests of Quenelles, the dark-hearted elf slit the Duke's throat as he slept. Though the Assassin was slain by the Duke's Honor-Guard, that does little for his family, who even now weep.

Arnheim Raids Intensify: The raids of the High Elves and various other inhabitants of Arnheim have intensified, as Knights of Quenelles poured into the dark fortress seeking justice for their dead Duke.

High Elves

A Phoenix Queen: Finubar the Phoenix King, after long decades of search, has decided upon a wife, finally:Ilaithairax, lady of Nagaryth.

He has offered invitations to the leaders of peoples who stood against Malekith in the Borderlands, and so truly wounded his dark forces. (This includes you)
 
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Old World News Turn 22

A Pheonix Queen:
Finubar the Pheonix King, after long decades of search, has decided upon a wife, finally:Ilaithairax, lady of Nagaryth.

He has offered invitations to the leaders of peoples who stood against Malekith in the Borderlands, and so truly wounded his dark forces. (This includes you)

So who is for a trip to fair Ulthuan. Once there we could joust against Caledorians or something
 
I'm pretty sure they were after the secret of transmuting Gromril, not forging it.
I'm looking at the page right now, Realms of Sorcery page 90.
Having said all this, Apprentices to the Golden Order are taught that discovering the means of and for True Transmutation is one of the prime goals of the Golden Order-whether it's lead to gold, nickel to iron or copper to platinum. The Order also pursues the knowledge on how to smith the exceptionally hard metal gromil(the near unbreakable metal mined and manufactured by the Dwarfs) and create the semi-magical alloy Illithmar, (the super light metal that is harder then the finest human steel and is able to hold enchantments longer then almost any other metal). This research is one of the Golden Order's most closely guarded secrets, and the masters will go to almost any length to ensure it is kept from the public, especially the Dwarfs and Elves.
Note the word smith when the passage is talking about Gromil, not transmute. Gromil isn't just some super hard fantasy metal, it's the literal Law based opposite of Warpstone, smithing it is as much a matter of magic as it is smithing and metallurgy, the actual process* of which being something the dwarfs hold very tightly to themselves.

*There are actually multiple methods to process raw Gromil.
Gromril, also known as Meteoric Iron or Star-Metal, is considered by many as one of the strongest and most valuable metals in the whole of the Warhammer World, rivaled only by the most ancient and powerful of Chaos Armour. Unlike other metal, Gromril is not a metal born from this universe but falls to the Warhammer World through the Warpgates of the northern and southern poles. It was the Dwarfs who first discovered the metal in different places where meteors have struck the Old World. In fact, gromril is only found in the presence of Warpstone. The reverse, however, is not true. Raw gromril is a silvery metal that is incredibly rare and valuable and only the Dwarfs know how to work it.

Gromril actually has more than one state. There are three methods of refining it and each method has different effects on the metal. The first method is widely known amongst the Dwarfs and turns raw Gromril into the refined Gromril that is used for coins, armor, shields, and weapons. This refined Gromril is sometimes called Mithril. The second method is not widely known among the Dwarfs and its secret is jealously guarded by the Master Smiths that do know it. This second method turns raw gromril into Adamant. The third method turns raw gromril into a crystalline metal known in legend as Laihtero.

Many times more precious than gold, Gromril is used to make the best armor and weapons for the Dwarf nobility, and for the elite military units such as the Ironbreakers who guard the gates to the Underway. Because of its rarity, the Dwarfs do not trade items made of Gromril with other races.
Gromril can be created into several types of metal, depending on the techniques that can make the metal even stronger or more potent then those of other metal.
Mithril

  • Mithril is the most common form of Gromril. It is refined by smelting to remove most impurities. It is twice as durable as Steel and weighs one-fifth as much. It also accepts runes and enchantments as readily as any other metal.
Adamant

  • Adamant is created using a refining technique which involves smelting and various other secret methods of purification. Adamant is normally magic-inert so therefore any person wielding an adamant weapon, adamant shield, or wearing adamant armor is immune to magic. There is a way to enchant adamant items so that their enchantments can be used like any other enchantments on weapons or armor made of other metals. These enchantments have historically been only of the kind that Dwarf Runesmiths make and must be placed on the item during the forging process.
  • After the item is finished, its runic properties are "set" and can never be changed or added on to in any way. Whether these items would take enchantments from human wizards during the time of refining is not known and any suggestions that they would is pure speculation. Adamant weapons, armor, and shields are as durable and weigh as little as Mithril ones, with the added benefit of being immune from magical attacks.
Laihtero

  • Laihtero is the rarest form of Gromril ever known. In fact only one item is known to have been forged from it; Arianka's sword, Laihtendrung. Very little is known about this material save for what a few legends have to say on the subject. It is said that only one dwarf at any one time knows the secret of the refining process to create Laihtero from raw Gromril. It is also said that it would take the Dwarf his entire lifetime to finish it, for the forging process is indeed an extremely long process.
  • Dwarf Loremasters have speculated that Laihtero is Law in its purest form and that it will not accept magic enchantments of any kind. It is a completely translucent metal and radiates Law to those beings who are sensitive to such things. It is also said that some essence of a God of Law is necessary in the refining process to create this metal. Laihtero is undoubtedly stronger than Mithril and Adamant and probably weighs even less. Due to its purity against all forms of magic, creatures that are imbued with the taint of Chaos are far more sensitive to its strokes then any other types of metal.
 
On a different note, you now have an Allies section to the Dynasty Post; right now it's only Bohemond but then he's kind of an army to himself anyway, so...

Speaking of Bohemond, expect something for the next part of his mission tomorrow.

But right now I feel about ready to keel over.
 
Descended of Giles: The blood of the Uniter flows through him, and it bred true, as proven by deeds. He will not die until the Lady is well good and ready...or if some goblin strikes in a filthy ambush, of course. (+10 Health, More vulnerable to dramatically appropriate deaths, Easier to be called to quest.)
Dramatically appropriate deaths. I like it.
 
Dramatically appropriate deaths. I like it.
No getting ganked by random-ass Skaven here.

Interesting note for the thread: the only known child of Gilles is Louis the Rash, whose mother was- and I shit you not, though I don't think they ever did come out and say it-- the Lady.

Meaning to be lineally descended of Gilles, as Bohemond is, one must also be descended from the Lady.

Suddenly a lot more things are making sense, at least for me.
 
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I'm looking at the page right now, Realms of Sorcery page 90.

Note the word smith when the passage is talking about Gromil, not transmute. Gromil isn't just some super hard fantasy metal, it's the literal Law based opposite of Warpstone, smithing it is as much a matter of magic as it is smithing and metallurgy, the actual process* of which being something the dwarfs hold very tightly to themselves.

*There are actually multiple methods to process raw Gromil.
Gromril, also known as Meteoric Iron or Star-Metal, is considered by many as one of the strongest and most valuable metals in the whole of the Warhammer World, rivaled only by the most ancient and powerful of Chaos Armour. Unlike other metal, Gromril is not a metal born from this universe but falls to the Warhammer World through the Warpgates of the northern and southern poles. It was the Dwarfs who first discovered the metal in different places where meteors have struck the Old World. In fact, gromril is only found in the presence of Warpstone. The reverse, however, is not true. Raw gromril is a silvery metal that is incredibly rare and valuable and only the Dwarfs know how to work it.

Gromril actually has more than one state. There are three methods of refining it and each method has different effects on the metal. The first method is widely known amongst the Dwarfs and turns raw Gromril into the refined Gromril that is used for coins, armor, shields, and weapons. This refined Gromril is sometimes called Mithril. The second method is not widely known among the Dwarfs and its secret is jealously guarded by the Master Smiths that do know it. This second method turns raw gromril into Adamant. The third method turns raw gromril into a crystalline metal known in legend as Laihtero.

Many times more precious than gold, Gromril is used to make the best armor and weapons for the Dwarf nobility, and for the elite military units such as the Ironbreakers who guard the gates to the Underway. Because of its rarity, the Dwarfs do not trade items made of Gromril with other races.
Gromril can be created into several types of metal, depending on the techniques that can make the metal even stronger or more potent then those of other metal.
Mithril

  • Mithril is the most common form of Gromril. It is refined by smelting to remove most impurities. It is twice as durable as Steel and weighs one-fifth as much. It also accepts runes and enchantments as readily as any other metal.
Adamant

  • Adamant is created using a refining technique which involves smelting and various other secret methods of purification. Adamant is normally magic-inert so therefore any person wielding an adamant weapon, adamant shield, or wearing adamant armor is immune to magic. There is a way to enchant adamant items so that their enchantments can be used like any other enchantments on weapons or armor made of other metals. These enchantments have historically been only of the kind that Dwarf Runesmiths make and must be placed on the item during the forging process.
  • After the item is finished, its runic properties are "set" and can never be changed or added on to in any way. Whether these items would take enchantments from human wizards during the time of refining is not known and any suggestions that they would is pure speculation. Adamant weapons, armor, and shields are as durable and weigh as little as Mithril ones, with the added benefit of being immune from magical attacks.
Laihtero

  • Laihtero is the rarest form of Gromril ever known. In fact only one item is known to have been forged from it; Arianka's sword, Laihtendrung. Very little is known about this material save for what a few legends have to say on the subject. It is said that only one dwarf at any one time knows the secret of the refining process to create Laihtero from raw Gromril. It is also said that it would take the Dwarf his entire lifetime to finish it, for the forging process is indeed an extremely long process.
  • Dwarf Loremasters have speculated that Laihtero is Law in its purest form and that it will not accept magic enchantments of any kind. It is a completely translucent metal and radiates Law to those beings who are sensitive to such things. It is also said that some essence of a God of Law is necessary in the refining process to create this metal. Laihtero is undoubtedly stronger than Mithril and Adamant and probably weighs even less. Due to its purity against all forms of magic, creatures that are imbued with the taint of Chaos are far more sensitive to its strokes then any other types of metal.
I understand what you're talking about, but I'm also leery of taking a single source as canon. Different versions of the lore have drastically different interpretations. If everything written in the books was canon then there would be irreconcilable contradictions everywhere. To choose an example, the 'Lady' as we know her wouldn't exist at all, instead she'd be an elven goddess pretending to be something else and tricking the humans into furthering her own goals.

To put it bluntly, people other than Dwarves have forged (or at least reforged) some forms of Gromril, it's far from impossible in it's base form. And even if that weren't true, people, humans even, have forged things even more impressive. Admittedly that was with civilizations like Nekehara, but the point stands that it's not impossible for us to puzzle out how to forge basic Gromril. While I doubt our ability to forge anything like Adamant, and Laihtero is right the fuck out, Fae-forged Mithril is probably within our grasp. Seriously, Laihtero is stupidly hard to forge, even for Dwarves.
 
No getting ganked by random-ass Skaven here.

Interesting note for the thread: the only known child of Gilles is Louis the Rash, whose mother was- and I shit you not, though I don't think they ever did come out and say it-- the Lady.

Meaning to be lineally descended of Gilles, one must also be descended from the Lady.

Suddenly a lot more things are making sense, at least for me.
Wha- how- huh?
 
To put it bluntly, people other than Dwarves have forged (or at least reforged) some forms of Gromril, it's far from impossible in it's base form.
Name them. Now. Because I have never heard any bit of lore that stated that someone who was not a dwarf forged or even just reforged Gromil. It's literally the dwarf's own personal special metal, like Illithmar is for the Elves, and has been that way since it's very introduction.

And even if that weren't true, people, humans even, have forged things even more impressive. Admittedly that was with civilizations like Nekehara, but the point stands that it's not impossible for us to puzzle out how to forge basic Gromril.
Those materials? They weren't Gromil. They might have been equal or even better then Gromil, but they weren't Gromil and have absolutely no bearing on us being able to do in a few short years what the Gold Collage couldn't do in 200, what the entirety of mankind couldn't do since humans first learned that Gromil existed, which is to take raw Gromil from the ground and forge it into any form of processed gromil themselves rather then have to get it from the dwarfs. And frankly? It would be absolutely insulting to the setting in the most mary sue way possible if we did manage to do that.

While I doubt our ability to forge anything like Adamant, and Laihtero is right the fuck out, Fae-forged Mithril is probably within our grasp. Seriously, Laihtero is stupidly hard to forge, even for Dwarves.
Voikirium has already stated that the Fae don't know anything about Gromil, that they actually hate Gromil quite a bit because the dwarfs used it to kick their asses, and want nothing to do with Gromil. So no, Fae-forged any version of Gromil is not a possibility or within our grasp.
 
I understand what you're talking about, but I'm also leery of taking a single source as canon. Different versions of the lore have drastically different interpretations. If everything written in the books was canon then there would be irreconcilable contradictions everywhere. To choose an example, the 'Lady' as we know her wouldn't exist at all, instead she'd be an elven goddess pretending to be something else and tricking the humans into furthering her own goals.

To put it bluntly, people other than Dwarves have forged (or at least reforged) some forms of Gromril, it's far from impossible in it's base form. And even if that weren't true, people, humans even, have forged things even more impressive. Admittedly that was with civilizations like Nekehara, but the point stands that it's not impossible for us to puzzle out how to forge basic Gromril. While I doubt our ability to forge anything like Adamant, and Laihtero is right the fuck out, Fae-forged Mithril is probably within our grasp. Seriously, Laihtero is stupidly hard to forge, even for Dwarves.
No Fae-Forging gromril.

Fae-fyre can't melt it, and even if it could the Fae-Forging process is a lot more about purging weakness in metals and alloying on the strength of Fae-Materials by burning it in the concoction. As you might expect, the physical embodiment of Law would not react well to the sort of thing the Fay use in their incendiaries.
 
No Fae-Forging gromril.

Fae-fyre can't melt it, and even if it could the Fae-Forging process is a lot more about purging weakness in metals and alloying on the strength of Fae-Materials by burning it in the concoction. As you might expect, the physical embodiment of Law would not react well to the sort of thing the Fay use in their incendiaries.
I thought it wasn't 'the stuff of law' unless properly forged? But whatev's, you're the boss. Though now I'm curious as to what the Dwarves actually use to melt Gromril. Dragonfire is out, as they lost access to that a long time ago, and I don't think a typical magma forge would be enough either. Tungsten, a completely mundane metal, can stand up to the heat of a basic magma forge. You'd either have to dig deep, and I'm talking miles deep, or heat up the forge to patently unsafe levels.

Name them. Now. Because I have never heard any bit of lore that stated that someone who was not a dwarf forged or even just reforged Gromil. It's literally the dwarf's own personal special metal, like Illithmar is for the Elves, and has been that way since it's very introduction.

Those materials? They weren't Gromil. They might have been equal or even better then Gromil, but they weren't Gromil and have absolutely no bearing on us being able to do in a few short years what the Gold Collage couldn't do in 200, what the entirety of mankind couldn't do since humans first learned that Gromil existed, which is to take raw Gromil from the ground and forge it into any form of processed gromil themselves rather then have to get it from the dwarfs. And frankly? It would be absolutely insulting to the setting in the most mary sue way possible if we did manage to do that.


Voikirium has already stated that the Fae don't know anything about Gromil, that they actually hate Gromil quite a bit because the dwarfs used it to kick their asses, and want nothing to do with Gromil. So no, Fae-forged any version of Gromil is not a possibility or within our grasp.
It's nothing I could look up online, and I can't just pull it out of my ass; I'd have to go through old source-books for that, books that I, for the most part, don't have anymore. That said, are you seriously saying that in the wide, wide fucking world of Warhammer that it's never happened, not once? I hate that kinda special snowflake bullshit. The only reason Dwarves even know what the fuck to do is because one of their ancestor gods fucking told them! Okay, point I'm trying to make? You don't need height problems and a beard to forge Gromril, it just gives you a serious leg up on the competition because you actually know what the fuck you're doing. Also, last I checked, Illithmar didn't have any special-snowflake forging rules, it's just really light, really strong metal only found in the lands of Ulthuan, because it wasn't always metal. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

I don't know what's got you so riled up about this. Gromril is special, so what, so are a million other things in the world of Warhammer. It doesn't get to be the one thing with the indecipherable secrets. There are plenty of things that people thought 'impossible', that took far better people far longer to accomplish, without magic, they still persevered, they still succeeded. Just because no one has done something before doesn't mean it can't be done, that's quitter talk and I refuse to accept it.

It's not the fucking Fae forging it, we would have been forging it, us, using Fae magic, with Fae techniques, or do you believe the magic is sentient enough to go 'ew, Gromril'?! That said, this is all rather moot as the GM has ruled that even in it's base form Gromril is law-aligned and thus incompatible with Fae magics. And that beyond that, Fae-fyre takes more after Greek fire than Wildfire, as it doesn't burn hot enough to actually melt the metal.

I figured it would work because A.) I thought Fae-fyre was a lot hotter than it apparently is, as I figured 'take Greek fire, make it magical, and feed it steroids', it also reminded me of other fictional fires with special properties, and B.) because Gromril in it's base form takes enchantments just as well as any other metal. And I'm not just talking about Runes, regular enchantments. I thought that it'd take to the Fae-stuff just fine.

As for why I wanted to do it, because this always freakin' happens in quests, always. Someone finds a vein? Hand it over to the Dwarves. Someone loots some bars? Dwarves. Someone picks up some artifacts? Dwarves. It's always the fucking Dwarves. And at best, at fucking best one or two people get some decent non-magical armor, at worst we just get a chunk of gold that's gone again in two or three turns. I wanted to do something special, I wanted to do something awesome, but most of all, I wanted to do something fun with this. Only to find that, yet again, all we can really do is pawn it off on the fucking Dawi, hurray.
 
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@Voikirium that's much better on Nefferata's death, thanks for going back and re-working it.

On that note I'm pretty sure Nagash can recover her soul from Mor if he feels like it so she might not be gone for good.
 
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