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You're stupid.
Warhammer Fantasy: Honor is all, Chivalry is all (Bretonnia CK2)
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But we have Fae-fyre, and furthermore, we can learn. Gromril isn't impossible to work save some ancient Dawi secret, people have managed to work it before with stuff like Dragonfire. It'll be tricky, but far from impossible.
No, any Dwarf willing to sully their honor for something as base as material gain is not a Dwarf we want to work with. And should, in all honesty, probably shave his beard and go around introducing himself as a particularly fat Halfling.
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So we sell the gromril to them, but the mine itself is ours.
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It's a shame then, that the only race capable of working gromril in any sense are the Dwarfs themselves. Not to mention the removal of warpstone in the mining process. There'll be daily outbreaks of Chaos Spawn in the mines if you send down humans to do the work.
However, there's something to be said for involving the Court of the Earth, should we want the gromril for ourselves.
Soo, you want to spread the metal that makes Dwarfs go koo-koo to the whole of Karaz Ankor, and possibly even the High King? Gee, I can't see that ending badly for everyone involved.
Though it raises the question; surely , the Dwarfs must have measures in place to handle blood gold, at least in theory?
They already have it in wast quantities and as for dealing with it, it's not some dwarf magnet and effect lessen with distance and not knowing where it is. Thus owner can be satisfied by possessing it in their vault while not having everyone out to rob/kill him.
Really it's neither first or last deposit in the world.
It's cursed gold that amplify greed in those around it but while for human it will be just gold that they put bit more value in effects are much worse for dwarves. Sell it to dwarves as you would normal gold (it mostly is and have no useful qualities) and make sure you dispose of all of it.
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Voikirium
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The usual response is the king of whatever hold finds the vein sticking it in their horde to occasionally shine it and breath heavily and then not have it affect them.
Also, the Fay-- even the Fay of the Earth-- do not work on Gromril; for their memories are full of the Throngs burning and destroying and crushing ancient wonders with the stuff. The Old Trees felled to feed their engines, the Great Circles stamped down by their marching, the Hart-Hall and all its treasures ripped away to enrich the vaults of the Dwarfs...
There is a reason the Dwarfs consider Athel Loren even more impenetrable than humans.
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Gotcha, thought it did more to mess with the Dwarfs than it did. Good to know about the fay.
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Why would we waste our time trying to learn how to work gromril that will no doubt be a shitty version of what the dwarfs make when we can do the simple thing and sell them the gromril and request a suit of it for ourselves or our family?
GhostKing 666
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No, no human has ever figured out how to work gromil, and not from lack of trying. A hundred years from now otl, the gold collage are the undisputed masters of chemistry, metallurgy, alchemy and magical artifact craftsmanship in the Old World. It's their fucking specialty and they became that good by exhaustively investigating, researching and cataloging everything by humans in the old world know about those subjects ever since they first formed, they have even started sending people to other continents to gain more knowledge. And despite doing all that, despite figuring out the periodic table with an element count up to 90 plus 16 magical elements, the secrets behind dwarf gromil, elf ithilmar and permenant trasfiguration remain the most sought after secrets for the gold collage.
If the best human specialists still haven't figured it out after 200 years of effort, no amount of chivalry fuck yeah and a little magical fire will get it either. The secret to gromil is far better kept then that.
You have some amazing way of dealing with warpstone that we don't know about? Gromril deposits are full of the stuff.
Dwarves can mine it with care. Humans...
Dawi Zorn
Voikirium
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Dawi Zorn
"Kin of Kings, Lord of Runes, Master of the South and friend of the Drakk.
...What?"
-King Ferigson Drakk-Friend
(Source)
Trapped for thousands of years on the Southlands, unsure if they alone had survived the depredations of the Greenskins and the Skaven, the Dawi of Karak Zorn did what the Dwarfs do best: dug in and prepared for siege. In the aftermath of the great battle to stall the Orcs before they flowed over the Karak like the Falls, their numbers had dropped precipitously-- 10,000 Dwarfs. Over the years that number has increased to a goodly amount-- 500,000 at last count-- but they are still outnumbered, and much so, by the Dwarfs of the Old-World.
In response to their long isolation, their culture has diverged much from their kin-- this is most easily seen in their armor, which is almost without exception lighter than the other Dawi would use, often making use of the pelts and leathers of the beasts of the Southland. In order to free space for the Great Karak, the sole example of such in the realm of the Dawi Zorn, they have taken to having some housing above ground-- a sparse number, but more than other dwarfs would dare try.
They are, however, easily one of the richest of the realms of Dawi-- their hold is fatted with ivories and golds and jewels, vaults reaching deep, deep into the mountains.
Their King is Ferigson, of the long lineage of the Drakk-Friends. A poet, tale-teller, and scholar, he has whetted his axe in the blood of Skaven and Greenskin alike, and rumors, unreliable as the Umgi travelers who spout them, suggest that he may be in negotiations for the hand of Thorgrim Grudgebearer's kin.
Also, as the name might suggest, the Drakk-Friends have long held an amity for Drakek, the Red-Wyrm of Rage, who feasts upon the Greenskins with a mighty appetite. This amity, and their preserved knowledge of runes, means that the Dawi Zorn are capable of wonders that the dwarfs of the Old World have long been held from.
These differences-- and others-- have led to a certain tension between the Dawi of the Old World, the Norse included, and the Dawi Zorn; while they are dwarfs, and dwarfs do not splinter (As long as you don't look to the Dark Lands, of course) It is still often felt that there is a mostly peaceful rivalry between the realms, if one bridged for the good of the Karaz Ankor and the children of the Ancestor Gods.
"Kin of Kings, Lord of Runes, Master of the South and friend of the Drakk.
...What?"
-King Ferigson Drakk-Friend
(Source)
Trapped for thousands of years on the Southlands, unsure if they alone had survived the depredations of the Greenskins and the Skaven, the Dawi of Karak Zorn did what the Dwarfs do best: dug in and prepared for siege. In the aftermath of the great battle to stall the Orcs before they flowed over the Karak like the Falls, their numbers had dropped precipitously-- 10,000 Dwarfs. Over the years that number has increased to a goodly amount-- 500,000 at last count-- but they are still outnumbered, and much so, by the Dwarfs of the Old-World.
In response to their long isolation, their culture has diverged much from their kin-- this is most easily seen in their armor, which is almost without exception lighter than the other Dawi would use, often making use of the pelts and leathers of the beasts of the Southland. In order to free space for the Great Karak, the sole example of such in the realm of the Dawi Zorn, they have taken to having some housing above ground-- a sparse number, but more than other dwarfs would dare try.
They are, however, easily one of the richest of the realms of Dawi-- their hold is fatted with ivories and golds and jewels, vaults reaching deep, deep into the mountains.
Their King is Ferigson, of the long lineage of the Drakk-Friends. A poet, tale-teller, and scholar, he has whetted his axe in the blood of Skaven and Greenskin alike, and rumors, unreliable as the Umgi travelers who spout them, suggest that he may be in negotiations for the hand of Thorgrim Grudgebearer's kin.
Also, as the name might suggest, the Drakk-Friends have long held an amity for Drakek, the Red-Wyrm of Rage, who feasts upon the Greenskins with a mighty appetite. This amity, and their preserved knowledge of runes, means that the Dawi Zorn are capable of wonders that the dwarfs of the Old World have long been held from.
These differences-- and others-- have led to a certain tension between the Dawi of the Old World, the Norse included, and the Dawi Zorn; while they are dwarfs, and dwarfs do not splinter (As long as you don't look to the Dark Lands, of course) It is still often felt that there is a mostly peaceful rivalry between the realms, if one bridged for the good of the Karaz Ankor and the children of the Ancestor Gods.
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Oh, right. Sorry, forgot about that.
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I'm pretty sure they were after the secret of transmuting Gromril, not forging it.
Because they can't magically forge stuff, they can't inscribe magical heraldry, and why have only a few sets when we can instead have a few hundred? It'd be lame to only keep the best bits to ourselves and our immediate family.
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Spectrum
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I do have to kinda agree with DragonParadox. Morathi going down still took a big name with her and had an entire suite of top class Heroes around to chop her to bits. Neferata is on the same tier and respectfully it just reads a bit too much of BRETONNIA STRONK.Kragg died.
He just got better.
(No but seriously though, there were casualties on the Dwarf Side in the initial fighting to get into the throne room; I just...didn't talk about them, because they were not immediately relevant; I'll get into them when I put up the Old World News)
There's also the matter to consider of what the Lahmians (and to a lesser extent the other Vampires) will do now that the Progenitor of a Blood-Line just got killed.
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Okay let's say we can actually craft all of the things you said (I don't think we can) how are you going to mine the stuff when it is full of warpstone?
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That is the bit I'm having second thoughts about, especially since the GM said the Earth Court want nothing to do with the stuff. We may end up having to make a deal with the Dwarves just to get at the stuff... that said, I have no intention of just handing it over, no matter how much gold they offer us. Then again, maybe the Damsels could make it safe? I know that the College of Magic has a way to neutralize Warpstone.
Voikirium
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For a slight list of the people who the Dwarfs sent just to smash into the Silver Pinnacle, and who killed the shit out of her various lieutenants and heroes:
High King Thorgrim
Grombrindal
King Kazador
King Alrik
Josef Bugman
Kragg the Grim
and an army of five-thousand other soldiers, all used to help take the various levels and/or in the final assault to kill Neferata.
And believe me: Neferata took plenty of dwarfs with her, having fought several of said heroes, and won.
That said, looking back on it, I should probably edit it to make that more clear.
(That said, Morgiana did, very definitely, take the final blow; seriously, you'd be amazed at how bad the Dwarfs were rolling.)
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Wait, if Thorgrim was there, was he one of the dwarfs laying dead around Neferata when Morgiana arrived?
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I pretty sure, we don't have the power to order a Damsel to go anywhere or do anything unless they want to (If I'm wrong feel free to correct me), and I don't know think many Damsels want to waste their time doing something that is not very important like help mine for gromril. But even if we found a way to do this we still would be making inferior products to what the dwarfs would be able to craft for us.
Voikirium
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Even if it were Fae-forged with the artifact hammer Mab gave us and inscribed with magical heraldry by Rose? We're talking about three layers of powerful enchantment here. Also, we don't have to order a Damsel, we can just ask one. We have a shit-ton of political capital and good-will to go around, not to mention we know at least one Damsel personally. And even beyond that, you don't think they would be interested in purging the lands of their beloved Lady and her devoted followers of Warpstone taint?
I'm pretty sure he died earlier in the quest, then again, maybe that was his father. Never mind, that was the Slayer King, I'm miss-remembering things.
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Voikirium
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@DragonParadox and @Spectrum
I have edited the Snippet slightly to try and more accurately show the chain of events of Neferata's Death, but just to make it clear as I can:
-Dwarfs attack Silver Peak, make their way to the Top
-Several heroes blitz Neferata
-Neferata manages to beat them, but is sore wounded
-Just as she's about to wreck some shit, the Enchantress swoops into steal the Dwarf's Kill
-The Enchantress duels Neferata
-Despite being tired and wounded by some of the best the Dwarfs can muster, Neferata still manages to duel the Enchantress on relatively even ground until she fucks up
(Besides, if I was trying to go full BRETONNIA STRONK I would've had the Enchantress just Glare Neferata to death-- which is actually a thing she can do, canonically)
How do you suppose I can manage to make this series of events more obvious, besides what I've already done?
I have edited the Snippet slightly to try and more accurately show the chain of events of Neferata's Death, but just to make it clear as I can:
-Dwarfs attack Silver Peak, make their way to the Top
-Several heroes blitz Neferata
-Neferata manages to beat them, but is sore wounded
-Just as she's about to wreck some shit, the Enchantress swoops in
-The Enchantress duels Neferata
-Despite being tired and wounded by some of the best the Dwarfs can muster, Neferata still manages to duel the Enchantress on relatively even ground until she fucks up
(Besides, if I was trying to go full BRETONNIA STRONK I would've had the Enchantress just Glare Neferata to death-- which is actually a thing she can do, canonically)
How do you suppose I can manage to make this series of events more obvious, besides what I've already done?
Night_stalker
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He is still alive, right?
Voikirium
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