Does bribing several low-ranking functionaries of the court so she can go dancing on your grave when you die count as doing something?

Because if so, yes.
But that doesn't endanger anyone alive, does it? (Except maybe her if our wife outlives us and catches wind.)
I mean, obviously she could have a plot somewhere, but in the years since the branding, has any legitimately dangerous plan come within a league of being reality? She can daydream all she wants I only care if she's actually still dangerous.
 
But that doesn't endanger anyone alive, does it? (Except maybe her if our wife outlives us and catches wind.)
I mean, obviously she could have a plot somewhere, but in the years since the branding, has any legitimately dangerous plan come within a league of being reality? She can daydream all she wants I only care if she's actually still dangerous.
Here's the thing, she's still killed our dad, why did we only brand her?
 
But that doesn't endanger anyone alive, does it? (Except maybe her if our wife outlives us and catches wind.)
I mean, obviously she could have a plot somewhere, but in the years since the branding, has any legitimately dangerous plan come within a league of being reality? She can daydream all she wants I only care if she's actually still dangerous.
Also worth noting is that, until very recently, Morgyan was keeping a very close eye on her for any sign of treachery. And even now, with the more obvious methods of watching her removed, I don't doubt that our wife is still watching her like a hawk.
 
Here's the thing, she's still killed our dad, why did we only brand her?
Because she's our sister and, not only did we not want to kill her as we do still love her despite her being terrible, uh, killing your sister is sort of super looked down upon no matter how well justified so we found a solution that stopped her from being able to plot against us effectively without killing her.

It was, looking at the way things went so far, the correct decision. She may still be a bitch to us, yes, but she hasn't really caused any problems for us and people would certainly like and trust us less if we killed her, so yeah, ignoring morality and all that stuff we, from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, did the right thing.
 
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Because she's our sister and, not only did we not want to kill her as we do still love her despite her being terrible, uh, killing your sister is sort of super looked down upon no matter how well justified so we found a solution that stopped her from being able to plot against us effectively without killing her.

It was, looking at the way things went so far, the correct decision. She may still be a bitch to us, yes, but she hasn't really caused any problems for and people would certainly like and trust us less if we killed her, so yeah, ignoring morality and all that stuff we, from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, did the right thing.
Not to mention, she is a branded and a recognised kinslayer living in the land of chivalry. I doubt that her life is going swimmingly, all things considered.
 
Not to mention, she is a branded and a recognised kinslayer living in the land of chivalry. I doubt that her life is going swimmingly, all things considered.
Can confirm, punk-ass squires keep putting bags of flaming dog crap on her front doorstep.

(This is a joke, but for real though she's had a bad time since her plans were brought to light)
 
Because killing her wouldn't bring our father back, and between the branding and everything else, her power base was cut off. She's not been able to do anything since.
Plus what @TheNotoriousSMP @King Arthur and @Grim Avgrundsson said.
Read the post again.

* She has Melisende's loyalty.
* Melisende hates our family (see previous point).
* Melisende has received training in the use of weapons in a land where a woman knowing how to use a weapon more lethal than a butter-knife is frowned upon.
* Melisende is due to marry our son (and can someone please link me to the post where we arranged this so I can see why it happened).
* By the GM's admission Melisende has taken inspiration from the Warhammer world's closest equivalent to Che Guevara.

If this doesn't scream 'assassin in waiting' then I don't know what does.
 
Read the post again.

* She has Melisende's loyalty.
* Melisende hates our family (see previous point).
* Melisende has received training in the use of weapons in a land where a woman knowing how to use a weapon more lethal than a butter-knife is frowned upon.
* Melisende is due to marry our son (and can someone please link me to the post where we arranged this so I can see why it happened).
* By the GM's admission Melisende has taken inspiration from the Warhammer world's closest equivalent to Che Guevara.

If this doesn't scream 'assassin in waiting' then I don't know what does.
Most of our family have a high enough Martial to kick her arse. Also, Melisende's intrigue score is abysmal compared to our wife's, she can try to be an assassin, but she would get wrecked
 
Read the post again.

* She has Melisende's loyalty.
* Melisende hates our family (see previous point).
* Melisende has received training in the use of weapons in a land where a woman knowing how to use a weapon more lethal than a butter-knife is frowned upon.
* Melisende is due to marry our son (and can someone please link me to the post where we arranged this so I can see why it happened).
* By the GM's admission Melisende has taken inspiration from the Warhammer world's closest equivalent to Che Guevara.

If this doesn't scream 'assassin in waiting' then I don't know what does.
I give it, like, 6 months, tops, and they're madly in love and she's all "YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME MOM GOSH GROW UP".
 
Read the post again.

* She has Melisende's loyalty.
* Melisende hates our family (see previous point).
* Melisende has received training in the use of weapons in a land where a woman knowing how to use a weapon more lethal than a butter-knife is frowned upon.
* Melisende is due to marry our son (and can someone please link me to the post where we arranged this so I can see why it happened).
* By the GM's admission Melisende has taken inspiration from the Warhammer world's closest equivalent to Che Guevara.

If this doesn't scream 'assassin in waiting' then I don't know what does.
Also, as requested, here have the post:
Charles and Justine Betrothal Options

Charles

Cateline Des Sœurs
Born: 1428

The daughter of the local Sisters of Solitude, she has been initiated into the lower ranks of the Mademoiselles du Grail. A kind hearted, charitable, giving soul, she has earned a reputation through the city as a sight for sore eyes-- she and her mother have been a constant force for good, distributing food and water and medicine to the less fortunate.

On the other hand, she has also, apparently, earned something of a reputation for being quick to some small temper towards her fellow nobles.

Traits:
Pensive (+1 Piety)
Giving (+1 Piety)
Initiate (+1 Piety)

Stats:
Martial: 11
Piety: 11+1+1+1=14
Diplomacy: 7
Intrigue: 13
Learning: 7
Stewardship: 12

Melisende Armistead
Born: 1430
The daughter of your sister and Baron Armistead. By all accounts, a completely healthy, completely normal child-- with a fear of you. Hearing that broke your heart. Apparently, she resembles you in appearance.

By binding together your families, you will help heal the mend between vassal and leige by making them one and the same. For all you might detest both baron and wife, you know they will not hurt their only daughter just to strike at you.

Traits:
Haughty (+1 Martial)
Rowdy (+1 Martial)
Genius (+2 All Stats)

Martial: 15+1+1+2=19
Piety: 9+2=11
Diplomacy: 12+2=14
Intrigue: 12+2=14
Learning:5+2=7
Stewardship: 4+2=6

Cassandra Bohemond
Born: 1429
The Daughter of Duke Bohemond, she is reported to have an altogether friendly temperament, befitting a daughter of Bretonnia. Known for following her mother as she works, she has been used as a bargaining tool more than once by weakening the resolve of the party opposed to her parents.

Traits:
Adorable (+1 Diplomacy)
Playful (+1 Diplomacy)
Affectionate (+1 Diplomacy)

Stats:
Martial: 12
Piety: 13
Diplomacy: 14+1+1+1=17
Intrigue: 5
Learning: 9
Stewardship: 8
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Justine Options

After seeing the way your daughter has developed as a person, Morgyan has turned her gaze further north-- where the question is not "who swings the sword?" but "how well do they swing?"

Tielo Todbringer
Born: 1427
The second son of the graf of Middenland, Tielo is very different from the character one would expect from that family. Where they are violent, he is artistic; where they are warriors, he is a builder; where they are boisterous and loud, he is quiet and reserved. Or, at least, that's what you hear.

Of course, he is little, now, but a child. There is always room for change.

Traits:
Timid (+1 Learning)
Idolizer (+1 Learning)
Conscientious (+1 Stewardship)

Stats:
Martial: 9
Diplomacy: 7
Piety: 13
Intrigue: 14
Learning: 15+1+1=17
Stewardship: 7+1=8

Luka Aliyev
Born: 1425
The son of the Boyar of Praag, who seeks to build diplomatic ties to fulfill his Tzar given mission of rebuilding the city after the destruction wreaked on it by Katterin the Red, when she burnt it to the ground.

By all counts, Luke is a happy, positive child. He walks the city, offering comfort in conversation to those who rebuild the physical structure and giving some joy to what is a dreary place, most of the time.

Of course, there are times and places to be an optimist, and times not to be-- and whether or not rebuilding Praag is that place or time remains to be seen.

Traits:
Playful (+1 Diplomacy)
Affectionate (+1 Diplomacy)
Adorable (+1 Diplomacy)

Stats:

Martial: 6
Piety: 11
Diplomacy: 14+1+1+1=17
Intrigue: 14
Learning: 7
Stewardship: 8

Kurt Anderssen
Born: 1429
Son of the Elector Count of Stirland-- a fellow wine connoisseur you have bought more than some stock off, and vice versa-- he is not the most athletically gifted child, the result, you hear, of a sickly infancy. He does, however, apparently have quite the gift at the learned subjects- math, history, writing, that sort of thing.

By all accounts, a good natured lad.

Traits:
Conscientious (+1 Stewardship)
Fussy (+1 Stewardship)
Curious (+1 Stewardship)

Martial: 7
Piety: 14
Diplomacy: 11
Intrigue: 8
Learning: 14
Stewardship: 15+1+1+1=18
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A Private Conversation
A Private Conversation

Annick walked slowly, her boots making marks on the hard mud that were her home's roads. The soft mountain winds played over and around her, whistling and chilling; the sounds of babbling creeks, running over the millennia-smoothed stones; the mountain grasses, their sweet smells still familiar even years after she had left.

Seeing a small tree, covered by snow and ice, Annick unstrung her pack. She began to root through the small leather bag-- a handful of mountain berries, a bit of salted fish, and some cheese, along with a small bit of wine gifted her by her father-in-law.

Before Annick might eat and drink and make merry, she heard the sound of a beast- only for it to cut off in alarm. She looked up-- but saw not a beast.

Instead, a bare-footed woman with a crown of flowers, a dress of simple linens and an almost matronly gaze walked to her. Despite the cold and the stone, the bare-footed woman seemed scarcely to notice.

Almost without thinking, Annick fell to her knee, for there before her was Rhya.

"My Goddess, I--"

"Oh dearie, I am no goddess." The matron pulled the Dame to her feet, hooking her arms around the leather clad limbs of the warrior.

"But, I saw the flowers bloom where you walk, and the cry of beasts silenced-"

"If you will not believe that I am not the Earth Mother, believe at least that right now I come to you as equal." The matron laid down, cradling her head in her hands, relaxing and looking at the sky. "What a day! Can you believe some people would tear this apart?"

Annick slowly sat down next to the woman, yet tense.

"Now then, there is, I think, something we need to talk about. Take it from someone who knows-- a house, even a palace of a home, cannot stand divided between two peoples. What seems to be the issue?"

Annick, perhaps weakened by hunger, or merely tired of stoicism, or touched by the Goddess-- or maybe combination of the three-- sighed. "The first time I met Godfrey, I was not impressed. I was a loud, proud child-- and he was emotional, comforting, peace-making. Everything my Clan considered the Flat-Landers and worse."

"But then I saw him beat the hell out of those bullies, and it was enough. I could have done it myself-- but it angered him, young or no, outnumbered or no, to see people who would have been his equals dare treat someone like that. And suddenly I could relate."

"Then came the Borderlands. He failed there, and he was fearful there-- but he did not stop trying, ever. Ever. And then he broke through that fear in a tide of lances and fire and death, and in doing so saved the world."

"But now, now...a few fairies come, bearing their ephemeral threats and their magics, for our own daughter-- our flesh and blood-- and he cannot even muster words to try and buy time?"

"I was denied a choice as a child, and hated it; then could console myself with the belief that he would be my equal, not my lord; but now he falls silent, and will not even have the strength to argue necessity, but instead treats me as a flower, one of the whimpering Flat-Landers. I am no flat-lander."

The Matron consolingly placed an arm over Annick's shoulder.

"More than that, he has given our flesh, our blood-- the supposed consummation of our love-- to be ripped of our home, and taught by strange beings in foul arts to do her bidding in every corner of the world."

"There are worse fates in this world than to be a Damsel," The matron spoke as Annick stopped, "Many, many worse. She will have choice-- there will be no betrothal, no chains upon Eleanor beyond that of goddess and conscience. And though she might be driven far from home, and in corners long forgotten, she will not long be gone-- and in her, the light will have a champion once more. But I have peered into your heart, Champion-- it be not anger alone that drives you, but fear for this, your daughter. And since the Good Knight and I alike have seen that words will little dissuade you, here, a gift."

The matron walked to the nearest brook, a babbling, slight thing, and filled a small vial with running water. She spake, slight words-- and like that the flowing earth-blood became pure once more. "So long as this vial remain so clear, and so goodly, I you promise-- Eleanor yet lives, and yet loves." The mother strung a slight piece of twine into the stopper, making a necklace of it, and gently placed it in Annick's hand. "Now rest."

She yawned-- and then was out, sleeping soundly.
--
The next Annick woke, she saw Godfrey standing above her, looking concerned and holding Fleur's reins in his hand. Greenskin blood coated his armor, and his helm was dented, forcing him to leave it off and expose his golden locks. "Are you well?" Concern, openly shared, played over his features.

"I am...I am fine, my good sir Knight."

The two stood in awkward silence, he shamefaced, she yet clutching her necklace.

"So..." He finally spoke, "If you'd like, I can have someone bring Stomper up?"

"No, no, mine husband. I think I would prefer to ride back with you." Flaring her cloak, Annick leaped onto the horse with grace, at the back of the saddle.
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This is the last thing I will be writing before I close the vote for stuff.
 
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A Private

Annick walked slowly, her boots making marks on the hard mud that were her home's roads. The soft mountain winds played over and around her, whistling and chilling; the sounds of babbling creeks, running over the millennia-smoothed stones; the mountain grasses, their sweet smells still familiar even years after she had left.

Seeing a small tree, covered by snow and ice, Annick unstrung her pack. She began to root through the small leather bag-- a handful of mountain berries, a bit of salted fish, and some cheese, along with a small bit of wine gifted her by her father-in-law.

Before Annick might eat and drink and make merry, she heard the sound of a beast- only for it to cut off in alarm. She looked up-- but saw not a beast.

Instead, a bare-footed woman with a crown of flowers, a dress of simple linens and an almost matronly gaze walked to her. Despite the cold and the stone, the bare-footed woman seemed scarcely to notice.

Almost without thinking, Annick fell to her knee, for there before her was Rhya.

"My Goddess, I--"

"Oh dearie, I am no goddess." The matron pulled the Dame to her feet, hooking her arms around the leather clad limbs of the warrior.

"But, I saw the flowers bloom where you walk, and the cry of beasts silenced-"

"If you will not believe that I am not the Earth Mother, believe at least that right now I come to you as equal." The matron laid down, cradling her head in her hands, relaxing and looking at the sky. "What a day! Can you believe some people would tear this apart?"

Annick slowly sat down next to the woman, yet tense.

"Now then, there is, I think, something we need to talk about. Take it from someone who knows-- a house, even a palace of a home, cannot stand divided between two peoples. What seems to be the issue?"

Annick, perhaps weakened by hunger, or merely tired of stoicism, or touched by the Goddess-- or maybe combination of the three-- sighed. "The first time I met Godfrey, I was not impressed. I was a loud, proud child-- and he was emotional, comforting, peace-making. Everything my Clan considered the Flat-Landers and worse."

"But then I saw him beat the hell out of those bullies, and it was enough. I could have done it myself-- but it angered him, young or no, outnumbered or no, to see people who would have been his equals dare treat someone like that. And suddenly I could relate."

"Then came the Borderlands. He failed there, and he was fearful there-- but he did not stop trying, ever. Ever. And then he broke through that fear in a tide of lances and fire and death, and in doing so saved the world."

"But now, now...a few fairies come, bearing their ephemeral threats and their magics, for our own daughter-- our flesh and blood-- and he cannot even muster words to try and buy time?"

"I was denied a choice as a child, and hated it; then could console myself with the belief that he would be my equal, not my lord; but now he falls silent, and will not even have the strength to argue necessity, but instead treats me as a flower, one of the whimpering Flat-Landers. I am no flat-lander."

The Matron consolingly placed an arm over Annick's shoulder.

"More than that, he has given our flesh, our blood-- the supposed consummation of our love-- to be ripped of our home, and taught by strange beings in foul arts to do her bidding in every corner of the world."

"There are worse fates in this world than to be a Damsel," The matron spoke as Annick stopped, "Many, many worse. She will have choice-- there will be no betrothal, no chains upon Eleanor beyond that of goddess and conscience. And though she might be driven far from home, and in corners long forgotten, she will not long be gone-- and in her, the light will have a champion once more. But I have peered into your heart, Champion-- it be not anger alone that drives you, but fear for this, your daughter. And since the Good Knight and I alike have seen that words will little dissuade you, here, a gift."

The matron walked to the nearest brook, a babbling, slight thing, and filled a small vial with running water. She spake, slight words-- and like that the flowing earth-blood became pure once more. "So long as this vial remain so clear, and so goodly, I you promise-- Eleanor yet lives, and yet loves." The mother strung a slight piece of twine into the stopper, making a necklace of it, and gently placed it in Annick's hand. "Now rest."

She yawned-- and then was out, sleeping soundly.
--
The next Annick woke, she saw Godfrey standing above her, looking concerned and holding Fleur's reins in his hand. Greenskin blood coated his armor, and his helm was dented, forcing him to leave it off and expose his golden locks. "Are you well?" Concern, openly shared, played over his features.

"I am...I am fine, my good sir Knight."

The two stood in awkward silence, he shamefaced, she yet clutching her necklace.

"So..." He finally spoke, "If you'd like, I can have someone bring Stomper up?"

"No, no, mine husband. I think I would prefer to ride back with you." Flaring her cloak, Annick leaped onto the horse with grace, at the back of the saddle.
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This is the last thing I will be writing before I close the vote for stuff.
Huh....
Who wants to bet that it was their daughter all along?
 
Bertrand isn't Che Guevara, he's Robin Hood.

Both of them led armed groups of poorly-trained illiterate peasants in a guerrilla campaign against a tyrannical power structure, and ended up winning political influence as a result. Not much difference.

By the way, thanks for the link to Melisende's character sheet so I can backtrack.
 
Voikirium, I have a quick question about McLuvin's theory that the matron is actually Eleanor - have any Damsels shown signs of having gifts of prophecy or seeing the future? The image of the matron appearing in the past when Eleanor was young reminded me of the legends of Merlin growing younger as he lived his life.
 
Voikirium, I have a quick question about McLuvin's theory that the matron is actually Eleanor - have any Damsels shown signs of having gifts of prophecy or seeing the future? The image of the matron appearing in the past when Eleanor was young reminded me of the legends of Merlin growing younger as he lived his life.
Not Damsels, no, but Prophetesses could use the Wind of Azyr; and it's possible that whatever muckery fuckery is letting Prophetesses use very High Magic Like spells could have shifted things for the Damsels, too.
 
Not Damsels, no, but Prophetesses could use the Wind of Azyr; and it's possible that whatever muckery fuckery is letting Prophetesses use very High Magic Like spells could have shifted things for the Damsels, too.
5 bucks its the Lady doing all the heavy lifting magic wise and the damsels and her various servants simply acting as conduits for said magic.

I think Nehekhara did that (or that might be from Torroar's quest)
 
Coureur de Bois
Coureur De Bois

"Oh sure, the knights ain't that clever or that sneaky-- just arrogant elitists. But those savages they've got traipsing around, looking over everything?

Well they are a very different story. One watched me the entire time I was tric- I mean selling the Duke my wares in Parravon, and I'm not saying he was why I was told to git, but I wouldn't be surprised."

-Imperial Merchant Jakob Zu Middenland


(Source)

The hunters of the Massif Orcal are some of the finest in the world- for they have to be if they want to live. Monsters ply the streams, the skies, the shadows; one wrong move could mean death at the hands of a hydra, or a hippogryph, or wyverns or one of the ten-thousand other beasts that once made the Massif their home.

More than that, if they fail to bring something home, their tribes will starve-- for agriculture can take little root in the snowy, windblasted mountains of the Orcal.

In such a situation, is it a surprise that some hunters decide to move? After all, as much as the Lords of Bretonnia detest the bow and arrow, none would ever turn away such a skilled soldier; even Duke Marc, whose disdain of all forms of fighting other than a good, proper melee is famous, maintains a small, but potent coterie of the hunters, to place upon the ships of his fleet if nothing else.

And indeed, they are skilled-- a man is not considered a hunter in the Orgen until-- and unless-- he can strike the eye of a wyvern's head from a hundred yards, every time he is so challenged; and so great is their precision that they can fire into the swirling melee of close quarters combat. Taking up other forms of ranged striking has not proven too difficult either-- whether javelins, franciscas, or-- for those traveling abroad and offering their services as adventurers-- guns, they have proven skilled in their use, supplementing their bows well.

Two prevailing schools of thought have emerged with regards to their placement. One would see them put together in great blocks of archers, like the average bowman, to concentrate the slaughter; the other would place handfuls of them around the field in hard to strike places, to act as unwelcome surprise.

Whatever the use, they have proven quite capable.
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So yeah, have a thing.
 
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