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Kuja said:
As far as canon goes the answer is a zero percent chance as long as GW stands firmly bolted to the idea of all space marines being (inherently cis) male warrior-monks. We apparently had the chance to get female space marines back in the day but the sculpts came out looking like shit so they scrapped them and then just never bothered again. As long as the writers are wedded to the idea and/or feel obligated to certain loud parts of the fandom, that's just not going to change.
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To be honest, GW keeping space marines as cis male warrior monks is probably the safer option.

I spent an hour or so trying to come up with a good idea for a female space marine, but everything I could think of ended up being too problematic.
 
Parth said:
To be honest, GW keeping space marines as cis male warrior monks is probably the safer option.

I spent an hour or so trying to come up with a good idea for a female space marine, but everything I could think of ended up being too problematic.
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I do think wanting female Space Marines is "we need more female contraction camp guards" sort of BS. Women should be mutilated facists dogs too/s

I HD that the gene seed only working in AMAB people is a choice by the Emperor.

plus them being all male leads to GW poster boys having a pretty big Gay subtext.

because anyone reading the relationship between Battle Brothers is very Homosocial.
 
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If I was going back and redoing it from the ground up I'd probably make mixed gender space marines (and most units) decently common.

Hell, I might even change Primaris for a more stable gene seed that also introduces fem marines. Make it more like we're bringing back the Great Crusade era numbers and such.

Not a huge complaint but just one random thing that bugs me.
 
Can we give the ladies something other than the boys' table scraps? Sisters of Battle are ludicrously cool in no small part because they are a separate thing from Space Marines.

Dream Logic said:
Hell, I might even change Primaris for a more stable gene seed that also introduces fem marines.
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Ugh.

Possible hot take: The Primaris shouldn't have been a separate form of marine at all. That or we need more moments of firstborn and primaris turning on each other like that one Black Templar crusade. Super-er Soldiers are not more interesting than just Super Soldiers.
 
As someone who dislikes the idea of Custodes being a distinct faction...yeah. I'm not much for even better Space Marines.

I'm fiiiiine with Primaris but then again, I'm also a puritan who's first exposure to 40k gameplay was Dawn of War 2.
 
I don't mind the Custodes as much as the Primaris. Cuz like... the Custodes are a separate thing from Space Marines and are treated as such. These are men hand picked by the Emperor and wrought by his own hand (ostensibly) into perfect bodyguards and advisors. Their job is to guard Him from all harm and they dedicate not only their bodies and minds but their very existence to the task. There's a distinct, and more importantly meaningful, difference between a Shield Host of Custodes and a Chapter of Space Marines beyond 'Custodes are just better space marines'. (Also I'm a fan of super elite one-man-army formations, sue me)

You see this separation with other factions that are essentially "Super space marines". The Deathwatch have their psychology reconditioned to be as practical and pragmatic as possible and recieve the best available data on the aliens they're hunting. The Grey Knights, again, are treated as an elite formation with their every aspect tooled to demon hunting. Sisters of Battle get the same sort of equipment space marines have but instead of getting their greatest power their genecraft they get it through faith.

And imo most importantly they don't get rid of the originals.

The Primaris don't get that. They are, in every way, the same Space Marines, (if you're charitable and don't buy the "ultramarines in red armor" line from Gabriel Seth) just with different cooler armor. They're just better in every way because Cawl created new organs? Hell, they are so similar that you can "upgrade" one to the other. It's supposedly got a risk of killing the marine, but are they ever going to do that to a character we know/like?
 
The problem is that we had Space Marines, the super soldiers of the galaxy.
Then we got Super Space Marines with the Grey Knights. Okay, they have their own psychic order whatever.
Then we got the Custodes as a meaningful entry which are Super Duper Space Marines that are better in every way.
And to keep up we got Primaris, the Ultra Double Plus Good Space Marines?!

I get why they did it from a business perspective; they wanted to sell a new range of truescale models (that do look good). But they could have just called it a new mark of armor and said they're upscaling the line alongside CSM (new nutritional STC enables the rediscovery of the food pyramid!) instead of Primaris.
 
Honestly, I like the idea of Primaris marines, I just wish the information on it was a bit more vague and contradictory. Or at least imply that there's more than just science being used to change them.
 
Konradleijon said:
I do think wanting female Space Marines is "we need more female contraction camp guards" sort of BS. Women should be mutilated facists dogs too/s

I HD that the gene seed only working in AMAB people is a choice by the Emperor.

plus them being all male leads to GW poster boys having a pretty big Gay subtext.

because anyone reading the relationship between Battle Brothers is very Homosocial.
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The imperium already has female concentration camp guards, they just aren't allowed to be as popular as the boys.
 
HalfTangible said:
Can we give the ladies something other than the boys' table scraps? Sisters of Battle are ludicrously cool in no small part because they are a separate thing from Space Marines.
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oh Xenos like the Eldar and Tau. update the the Eldar models GW like the Sisters got.

I love how the art for the sisters portrays them with scars and generally battle hardened warriors.

which is rare in nerd where all women have perfect pretty faces even if the men are scarred or mutilated.
 
speaking of the World Eaters and the Christmas Truce brought up back i'm reminded of this excerpt.


Upon the quarantined world of Gladius, the Drukhari Wych Cult of the Seventh Woe fight their way into the great fanglined fighting pits of the World Eaters in search of a challenge. The violent duels that result are amongst the fastest and most vicious that Gladius' Daemon Prince masters have ever seen. Though dozens of Wyches and World Eaters die upon one another's blades, Khorne is pleased by the intensity of the carnage, and blesses the occasion with a rain of blood that brings the dead back to life. A bond of wary respect is forged between the two factions, ultimately leading to the invasion known as the Great Blood Wager of Anathema Quartus
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Parth said:
There are 23 other armies excluding the sisters that aren't allowed to be as popular as the boys.

What is your point exactly?
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That there is something of a derth of female figures and that GW does not promote the female figures as strongly as the male ones.

Which, frankly, is a bit of a chicken egg problem. They don't sell well, so they're not focused on, so they don't sell well, so they're not focused on.

But it's unclear at this point of the raging angry people that make up an extremely vocal minority of the 40k fandom would be willing to accept a greater focus on female characters.

I imagine that the resulting argument if GW actually started having female space marines, for example, would strongly resemble 'Truk not monkey'
 
I think there has been a quiet uptick over time. Ilya and Spinoza are among my favourite characters in the setting
 
Tithed_Verse said:
That there is something of a derth of female figures and that GW does not promote the female figures as strongly as the male ones.

Which, frankly, is a bit of a chicken egg problem. They don't sell well, so they're not focused on, so they don't sell well, so they're not focused on.

But it's unclear at this point of the raging angry people that make up an extremely vocal minority of the 40k fandom would be willing to accept a greater focus on female characters.

I imagine that the resulting argument if GW actually started having female space marines, for example, would strongly resemble 'Truk not monkey'
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How long ago was your last 40K novel? because GW has been adding female characters to the lore constantly.
 
Parth said:
How long ago was your last 40K novel? because GW has been adding female characters to the lore constantly.
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I said 'figures'. As in minifigs. Earnestly wasn't talking about lore per say, so much as what's available for purchase. And, personally, I frankly don't see a lot of female figurines.

I'm well aware that they're available and if I'm willing to go looking for them I can find them, but... I always have to go looking for them.
 
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Tithed_Verse said:
That there is something of a derth of female figures and that GW does not promote the female figures as strongly as the male ones.

Which, frankly, is a bit of a chicken egg problem. They don't sell well, so they're not focused on, so they don't sell well, so they're not focused on.

But it's unclear at this point of the raging angry people that make up an extremely vocal minority of the 40k fandom would be willing to accept a greater focus on female characters.

I imagine that the resulting argument if GW actually started having female space marines, for example, would strongly resemble 'Truk not monkey'
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Honestly one of the main reasons I want female space marines is that it would encourage chuds to leave the hobby.
 
GW's done a big push on miniature diversity over on the AoS side at least, even if their hairstyles are the better part of a decade out of date and they paint female faces with the Simpsons' makeup gun. I pay basically no attention to the greater 40k stuff though.
 
Mutton said:
GW's done a big push on miniature diversity over on the AoS side at least, even if their hairstyles are the better part of a decade out of date and they paint female faces with the Simpsons' makeup gun. I pay basically no attention to the greater 40k stuff though.
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Its happening in 40k too, all of the units for the new Squats have female head options, they're adding more female model options to guard, the new eldar guardians box had female heads, etc Its just that well, when half your armies are one flavor or another of the "always male" space marines...
 
Tithed_Verse said:
I said 'figures'. As in minifigs. Earnestly wasn't talking about lore per say, so much as what's available for purchase. And, personally, I frankly don't see a lot of female figurines.

I'm well aware that they're available and if I'm willing to go looking for them I can find them, but... I always have to go looking for them.
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the Sisters of Battle got a updated model range with pretty fancy models. and they are all women. Half of all Tau models are women (it's really hard to tell because the Tau like identical to humans)

it's just that Space Marines make up half of all armies and can only be male. Orks another popular army are also identified and referred to as male despite being asexual reproducing fungi bioweapons. the Nids

It's up too the Eldar, T'au, and rest of of the Imperials to carry it for female repsention

it's not help by how Marine focused the setting is in Fantasy all the different factions got they're own focus without one being widely popular and dominating as space marines. even it had the same problem with female Beastmen, Dwarves, and Skaven being hidden away for breeding purposes. but as not everything was focused on a male only faction we got important female characters like Valkyrie the Bloody, Isabella Von Carstein, that dark elf lady who helped found the Dark Elves and whose name I forgot, and the Everqueen. who where allowed to be prominent in the plot.
 
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Also Stormcast are fairly equal in representation these days; they give you a bunch of female heads and female characters, it's just that there's no boob plate allowed for the most part so it's down to if you want a male head, female head, full helmet, or Zaku head.
 
stratigo said:
Honestly one of the main reasons I want female space marines is that it would encourage chuds to leave the hobby.
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You do not want to discourage anyone from participating in a hobby as niche as miniature wargaming/painting, least of all those who obsess over your best-selling miniatures the most.

IfIhadaHammer said:
Its happening in 40k too, all of the units for the new Squats have female head options, they're adding more female model options to guard, the new eldar guardians box had female heads, etc Its just that well, when half your armies are one flavor or another of the "always male" space marines...
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Seems to me the problem is the same one it's been for years at this point: GW is too damned focused on Space Marines.

Flash Gitz did a joke once about how GW wanted to do "Space Marine Space Marines" (a space marine inside of a space marine) And then we got the Centurion suits.

I get it, SM are easy to paint and are your best sellers, but come on GW.

Konradleijon said:
the Sisters of Battle got a updated model range with pretty fancy models. and they are all women. Half of all Tau models are women (it's really hard to tell because the Tau like identical to humans)

it's just that Space Marines make up half of all armies and can only be male. Orks another popular army are also identified and referred to as male despite being asexual reproducing fungi bioweapons. the Nids

It's up too the Eldar, T'au, and rest of of the Imperials to carry it for female repsention

it's not help by how Marine focused the setting is in Fantasy all the different factions got they're own focus without one being widely popular and dominating as space marines. even it had the same problem with female Beastmen, Dwarves, and Skaven being hidden away for breeding purposes. but as not everything was focused on a male only faction we got important female characters like Valkyrie the Bloody, Isabella Von Carstein, that dark elf lady who helped found the Dark Elves and whose name I forgot, and the Everqueen. who where allowed to be prominent in the plot.
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All or mostly male: Space Marines, CSM (unless you count Heretics), Orks
All or mostly female: Sisters of Battle
Both in a mix: Aeldari, Imperial Guard, Custodes (Sisters of Silence), Tau, Genestealer Cults (maybe? I haven't taken a close look at their models)
Indeterminate/unclear: Tyranids, Mechanicus, Necrons, Demons, Knights

When you actually look at the model ranges in terms of faction there's more 'both' and 'indeterminate' than 'all or mostly male'. The problem isn't the lack of female models or the abundance of boys club factions, the problem is space marines make up the vast majority of the models on sale.

Yeah, there's like 11 different factions of Space Marines but for the most part they use the same models, so it's closer to two or three factions.
 
HalfTangible said:
You do not want to discourage anyone from participating in a hobby as niche as miniature wargaming/painting, least of all those who obsess over your best-selling miniatures the most.



Seems to me the problem is the same one it's been for years at this point: GW is too damned focused on Space Marines.

Flash Gitz did a joke once about how GW wanted to do "Space Marine Space Marines" (a space marine inside of a space marine) And then we got the Centurion suits.

I get it, SM are easy to paint and are your best sellers, but come on GW.



All or mostly male: Space Marines, CSM (unless you count Heretics), Orks
All or mostly female: Sisters of Battle
Both in a mix: Aeldari, Imperial Guard, Custodes (Sisters of Silence), Tau, Genestealer Cults (maybe? I haven't taken a close look at their models)
Indeterminate/unclear: Tyranids, Mechanicus, Necrons, Demons, Knights

When you actually look at the model ranges in terms of faction there's more 'both' and 'indeterminate' than 'all or mostly male'. The problem isn't the lack of female models or the abundance of boys club factions, the problem is space marines make up the vast majority of the models on sale.

Yeah, there's like 11 different factions of Space Marines but for the most part they use the same models, so it's closer to two or three factions.
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If Warhammer cannot survive as a product without chuds, then it deserves to die.
 
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