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Alright, time for my mandatory Unpopular Opinions Post. Let's get this over with.
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Down here, us Omelasposters only get one Rating a day. One Funny rating is just enough to get your post:reaction ratio to the next day. But that's the life of Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation. If you wanna survive, you have to Unpopular Opinions Post. Every Omelasposter has the same goal, and that's to make it to the top thread, where all the Brothers Karamazovposters live. Except, most Brothers Karamazovposters are born on the top thread. If you're an Omelasposter, there's only one way up, and that is through the Temple of Unpopular Opinions. The Temple of Unpopular Opinions is the only structure on SV that combines the bottom thread to the top thread. To make it up, you have to post an impossibly hard Unpopular Opinion Reply that no Omelasposter has ever completed. And that's assuming you even get the chance to post the reply in the thread. The inside of the Temple is protected by a barrier and the only way an Omelasposter gets past the barrier is if they've earned a gilded post. I've never even tried getting a gilded post before, but if I'm going to rank up to a Brothers Karamazovposter one day, I'm gonna have to.
 
freeaim said:
Fair, I'll move on. On DDLC, like, how? What form of it is queer? It's about Monika being obsessed with us rather than the MC?
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well yeah, monika is canonicly bisexual.
but like, wasnt there several ministories in ddlc plus where dan just wrote fanfic about the liturature club? including one where natuski and yuri just are gay for 5 minutes "straight"? and the sayori boob line?
plus there was the trans natuski debate that had dan weigh in on it himself and say qoute "the girls where all written as biologicly female." witch... i get what he meant but also that just conferms that theyve been on hrt for some time if they are trans.
 
Queshire said:
Honestly I'd say the problem has more to do with those movies being cash grabs than anything else... and Velma.
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I heard a lot about Velma, never anything positive, but by the looks of it, it appears to be that of any adult animation shows I ever looked at. I think people just want to complain about stuff, honestly.

But speaking of that, at the current state of things, some shows continue on for 15 years. For my unpopular opinion, if you can call it that, tv shows need to end after 15 years. Why? Because doing shows for more than 10 years will become boring and repetitive. And....that's it.
 
freeaim said:
More preachy perhaps, but actually has a point. That, and it is from way back when things are worse, so I can excuse it. Modern examples have no excuse, they act oppressed but they are actually privileged, only playing the victim.

I guess it's more about the emotional feeling rather than some logical reasoning. I understand that these kind of stories are more preachy, but they are justified due to how bad things were back then. Preachy modern stories feel too on the nose, and irks me more. I dunno, maybe my words are illogical, but it's more about my personal emotions here. I don't feel lectured from reading Uncle Tom'a Cabin, but I feel talked down by many modern media.

Except for Barbie. Seriously, I am so amazed that a feminist movie can be entertaining while not feel like they are insulting my gender. Way better than She-Hulk from the previous year, which is just obnoxious.
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Man, you rolled in here specifically to talk about how you don't want to be lectured about slavery being evil. That was your specific complaint. And the counterexample you picked was a piece of abolitionist protest literature about how slavery is evil. Pretty much every last page is about how slavery's evil. If you were actually in the process of reading it, seeing people say slavery's evil would just read like filler dialogue. "Nice weather we're having. Slavery is evil. I'm trying to get this plastic bag open in the vegetable section. Slavery is an evil institution. What's the deal with airline food?"

Now you say that's not the point. And, actually your issue is different, more emotional, harder to pin down, and has something to do with feminism for some reason...

I don't think anybody confronted you for reading that book, because you never read that book. You just picked a title you heard liberals are trying to cancel and used it to tell a liberal coffee shop story.
 
Kingcrusader said:
I heard a lot about Velma, never anything positive, but by the looks of it, it appears to be that of any adult animation shows I ever looked at. I think people just want to complain about stuff, honestly.
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If it was just a bad adult comedy then it would probably have been mostly ignored. It is the use of the beloved Scooby Doo IP that generated attention and outrage.
 
Fourthmatchflame said:
also you know, it was made by a black woman, and therefore fell victem to sacrifical trash.
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People can dislike a show for other reasons than "I am racist", you know? Just because show was made by black woman does not magically shield it from criticism. It does not magically turn bad writing into good writing. It does not remove the fact that show decided to present bunch of teens in underwear and towels for "sexy" shots.
 
Mandemon said:
People can dislike a show for other reasons than "I am racist", you know? Just because show was made by black woman does not magically shield it from criticism. It does not magically turn bad writing into good writing. It does not remove the fact that show decided to present bunch of teens in underwear and towels for "sexy" shots.
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Entirely true but as a wise woman once said, we did not all just fall out of a coconut tree. While I know people I would certainly never think were racist that actually watched Velma and didn't think it was good, I feel like in terms of especially the Youtube Hatewatcher contingent, you can't separate that it was made from a black woman and made Velma the black main character from part of the context, at least purely, you know? Especially given that the narrative that it was "ruining / didn't respect Scooby Doo" was originally founded on that, at least in part.
 
Mandemon said:
People can dislike a show for other reasons than "I am racist", you know? Just because show was made by black woman does not magically shield it from criticism. It does not magically turn bad writing into good writing. It does not remove the fact that show decided to present bunch of teens in underwear and towels for "sexy" shots.
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yeah but that is a real thing that happens, shows like these tend to get way worse attention if there made by minorities.
source: remember high gardian spice? remember how it was mediocere as fuck? remember how everyone treated it like it was the worst shit ever?
remember how its entire production team was women.
 
MrCogmor said:
If it was just a bad adult comedy then it would probably have been mostly ignored. It is the use of the beloved Scooby Doo IP that generated attention and outrage.
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Bad comedies do get attention too, like south park, for example.

Also, I honestly don't see th use of scooby doo to be one fo the reasons, because most of the reasons is because the voice actor is indian (she is not black).
 
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Whoa, hey, what're you talking about with calling South Park bad? (Well, okay, it gets bad but I still have a soft spot for the early stuff.)
 
well the early days have some bad stuff too. like the secondhand smoke thing.
 
So we are literally doing "You can't critize this work made woman" thing? Like, I get it. It's good to have women in film/animation production.

But going "If you critize this, you being sexist/racist" is not a going to convince people the work is suddenly "good". In fact, a lot of people will see the defense "yeah, but it was made by women" and not care. Trying to argue that there is some hidden racist/sexist ideology behind all the criticism is just... stupid. Sorry, but it is.

Plenty of criticism I have seen of Velma and High Gardian Spice don't even mention production crew, they focus on writing and animation. Trying to dismiss all criticism on basis of "the creators are women, so people complaining must have sexist ideas because we live in a society" is just nonsense.

Fourthmatchflame said:
yeah but that is a real thing that happens, shows like these tend to get way worse attention if there made by minorities.
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They get more attention because any criticism is dismissed as "sexism" or "racism". Of course starting a shitfest creates attention. Nobody meanwhile cares that people are clowning on the New Norm or Mr. Birchum because there is nobody going "Oh critics are just racist/sexist".
 
Mandemon said:
They get more attention because any criticism is dismissed as "sexism" or "racism". Of course starting a shitfest creates attention. Nobody meanwhile cares that people are clowning on the New Norm or Mr. Birchum because there is nobody going "Oh critics are just racist/sexist".
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are you like, listening to us when we talk or are you deliberately ignoring everything but the bit where we say that part of the critisism is bigotry.
"this show is bad" and "much critizism of this show is fueled by bigotries both explicit and implicit." can coexist.
 
Mandemon said:
So we are literally doing "You can't critize this work made woman" thing?
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Do you really think the guy who mysteriously named a bunch of films and TV shows common in right wing ragebait youtube videos and has spent several pages trying to defend slavery in light novels while pretending to have gotten in trouble in a cafe somewhere for reading Uncle Tom's Cabin brought up Velma for the purely innocent reason of thinking the animation is a bit naff or are you capable of pattern recognition
 
Mandemon said:
Plenty of criticism I have seen of Velma and High Gardian Spice don't even mention production crew, they focus on writing and animation. Trying to dismiss all criticism on basis of "the creators are women, so people complaining must have sexist ideas because we live in a society" is just nonsense.
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Oh no! It seems that you have inadvertently misread my post and think it is saying something very different and incredibly silly! Try rereading it again so you can respond to what I actually said, as we would do in a normal discussion. For guidance advice- saying that something is a factor that needs to be considered when analyzing why people dislike a thing, especially a particular subgroup, does not mean that this is the sole reason or reason everyone dislikes the thing.

Hope to see a response from you soon~
 
Queshire said:
Whoa, hey, what're you talking about with calling South Park bad? (Well, okay, it gets bad but I still have a soft spot for the early stuff.)
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I honestly said it because of my view on the animation of it. Also because of the bothsidesism bullshit it pushes. Also because people bring it up alot.

But you saying "the early stuff" is relatable, because of the Simpsons.
 
So I had written longer post responding to multiple people, but then I realized something:

I am not really interested in having to spaghetti post because 20 people(yes this is hyperbole, not literal) dogpile on me take individual lines from my post and instead of addressing the point, they rather find some gotcha.

So I am just going to bow out.
 
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