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Unpopular opinions we have on fiction

"Let's go! open up, it's time for Unpop!"
Alright, time for my mandatory Unpopular Opinions Post. Let's get this over with.
"You're late. You know the deal. You can Omelaspost for a Funny, or you can make an interesting post for an Insightful."
Here in Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation, no one chooses to make interesting posts. It's better to make the one joke everyone knows for the Funny, rather than risk your entire life for just one Insightful rating.
"Tomorrow you better not be late, or I'll have you posting for Informative reactions as punishment."
"Yes sir, sorry, I won't be late next time."

Down here, us Omelasposters only get one Rating a day. One Funny rating is just enough to get your post:reaction ratio to the next day. But that's the life of Unpopular Opinions Poster Civilisation. If you wanna survive, you have to Unpopular Opinions Post. Every Omelasposter has the same goal, and that's to make it to the top thread, where all the Brothers Karamazovposters live. Except, most Brothers Karamazovposters are born on the top thread. If you're an Omelasposter, there's only one way up, and that is through the Temple of Unpopular Opinions. The Temple of Unpopular Opinions is the only structure on SV that combines the bottom thread to the top thread. To make it up, you have to post an impossibly hard Unpopular Opinion Reply that no Omelasposter has ever completed. And that's assuming you even get the chance to post the reply in the thread. The inside of the Temple is protected by a barrier and the only way an Omelasposter gets past the barrier is if they've earned a gilded post. I've never even tried getting a gilded post before, but if I'm going to rank up to a Brothers Karamazovposter one day, I'm gonna have to.
 
Fourthmatchflame said:
you do, you wouldnt intentionally seek it out unless you cared!
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Girlbonzo Bean said:
Not having an issue doesn't mean that they think you actively support slavery, it doesn't mean that they think you're a misogynist as a result of that, it means they disagree with you. Now whether or not they might think you in particular are being slightly disengenuous about not caring about all that Culture War stuff and that it isn't propagated there (because I guess mediums like Youtube just don't exist outside "The West"???) when in a previous post you basically just fired off how you hate a bunch of works that are right-wing culture war bugbears, well, that is a separate issue.
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Eh, just wanted to really know why you all cared about some fictional slavery that doesn't matter at all, acting like it's some grand conspiracy rhat seeks to make slavery acceptable IRL. And the reasons for you all to despise fictional slavery (like Shield Hero) is so incomprehensible that I am just dumbfounded. Even with your lengthy explanation, I still don't get why is it such a sensitive issue.

Well, that's what you all believe, I guess. I suppose our views on morality is just different, due to different cultures.

As for the culture war bugbears, I watched them out of curiosity, because people bitch about them so much I wanted to see why there are so many controversies. And I genuinely dislike them btw, they fail as entertainment. I can tolerate preachy messaging if the show's good, but the moment they fail to entertain, that's the end for me.
 
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Personally, among other things I just find most portrayals of slavery in fiction to be lazy story telling. =/
 
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buddy thats not why i dont like the slavery in shield hero, i dont like it becuase it uncomfortably juzteposes kinky shit with chattle slavery.
 
I've started to dislike the word failgirl. It just feels like another addition to the catalog of lazy ways to describe a female character's personality, in the same way as girlboss, any permutation of mother, and any permutation of queen. Doesn't much help that I see people jumping to apply it to any girl character who doesn't display 24/7 hypercompetence and then flattening the character down just to that label.
 
hey just so you know if i stop posting ive either passed out or died and in the second case, argueing is what i would have wanted., in fact, to honor me, turn this into 1000 threads of argueing about project moon swimsuit discourse.
 
When you, say, watch an anime and then start reading the manga, you should read the manga from the start, rather than picking up where the adaptation left off. It's better that way.
 
Agreed, anime's often shift things around. For example, Spy x Family shifted some events around to give Yor more screen time. Dragon Maid removed everything Irulu related until season 2, which meant that some scene that she was in (sometimes rather important part) got rewritten without her.

So it can be jarring especially there are a lot of shifts and there is this character who everyone clearly knows, but their arc got cut out of anime.
 
FeigningGrey said:
I've started to dislike the word failgirl. It just feels like another addition to the catalog of lazy ways to describe a female character's personality, in the same way as girlboss, any permutation of mother, and any permutation of queen. Doesn't much help that I see people jumping to apply it to any girl character who doesn't display 24/7 hypercompetence and then flattening the character down just to that label.
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Common failgirl take tbh
 
Girlbonzo Bean said:
Common failgirl take tbh
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This is precisely what I mean, 99% of the time I'm smart enough not to post, and because of this one time, I've now been flattened down to that one descriptor. Now, in front of you there is a timer, once that timer hits zero, the anvil above your head will fall, and we'll see who's really flattened. I didn't actually figure out an escape to this one, but I believe in you regardless. Good luck.
 
FeigningGrey said:
This is precisely what I mean, 99% of the time I'm smart enough not to post, and because of this one time, I've now been flattened down to that one descriptor. Now, in front of you there is a timer, once that timer hits zero, the anvil above your head will fall, and we'll see who's really flattened. I didn't actually figure out an escape to this one, but I believe in you regardless. Good luck.
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Teaching a fatal life lesson speciically on someone that specifically wronged you and disguising the pettiness behind a degree of seemingly-understandable moralizing; 10 / 10 Jigsaw roleplay gj.
 
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freeaim said:
Eh, just wanted to really know why you all cared about some fictional slavery that doesn't matter at all, acting like it's some grand conspiracy rhat seeks to make slavery acceptable IRL. And the reasons for you all to despise fictional slavery (like Shield Hero) is so incomprehensible that I am just dumbfounded. Even with your lengthy explanation, I still don't get why is it such a sensitive issue.
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The "doesn't matter at all" angle only works if you assume that fiction or the very concept of storytelling has at no point in the entirety of human history ever affected the way people have acted, which is just categorically untrue. No "grand conspiracy" necessary, all it takes to get something like Shield Hero is a very weird person writing something down and likeminded people reading it.

Freedom of speech is a two-way street, my friend. If you want to criticise something or someone, you'd better prepare to take what you dish out.
 
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Fourthmatchflame said:
hey just so you know if i stop posting ive either passed out or died and in the second case, argueing is what i would have wanted., in fact, to honor me, turn this into 1000 threads of argueing about project moon swimsuit discourse.
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Wetsuits are cooler than a generic bikini anyway.
Queshire said:
I always get project moon and type moon mixed up.
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It is even worse because I heard of the controversy involving the former on a Youtube channel literally called "Moon channel".
 
Hawkatana said:
The "doesn't matter at all" angle only works if you assume that fiction or the very concept of storytelling has at no point in the entirety of human history ever affected the way people have acted, which is just categorically untrue. No "grand conspiracy" necessary, all it takes to get something like Shield Hero is a very weird person writing something down and likeminded people reading it.

Freedom of speech is a two-way street, my friend. If you want to criticise something or someone, you'd better prepare to take what you dish out.
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It's especially hilarious given the example is Uncle Tom's Cabin.

The book famously sold more copies than any other book besides the bible in the entire 19th century in America, had a companion piece which explained in detail the real-life accounts which inspired the fictional characters (which was also best selling) and massively galvanized the abolitionist movement. It's one of the three great American protest novels, along with The Jungle and Silent Spring.

It would be difficult to find a piece of fiction that affected real life politics more.
 
Alert: Not The Shield Hero Thread
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    • not the shield hero thread
    Alright, folks. Despite the joke that had been in the thread title, this is NOT the Shield Hero discussion thread. If you'll look to the thread title, you'll all notice that the part of the title mentioning that is now gone. This is now the thread about unpopular opinions on fiction, and ONLY unpopular opinions on fiction.

    What that means is that you should only be mentioning Shield Hero in the context of the actual thread topic — namely, if you have an unpopular opinion on fiction, and the fiction you have an unpopular opinion on happens to be Shield Hero.

    That being said, it would be appreciated if the conversation could stay away from that topic for a bit, so the people who came here on the reasonable assumption that the prior thread title's mention of Shield Hero was legitimate and not a joke have time to filter back out, and the thread can resume its original topic.
     
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    It's especially hilarious given the example is Uncle Tom's Cabin.

    The book famously sold more copies than any other book besides the bible, had a companion piece which explained in detail the real-life accounts which inspired the fictional characters (which was also best selling) and massively galvanized the abolitionist movement. It's one of the three great American protest novels, along with The Jungle and Silent Spring.

    It would be difficult to find a piece of fiction that affected real life politics more.
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    Well, there is 1984. Real life politicians bring it up all the time whenever they want to bitch about regulations or something along those lines. They don't even have to have read it. In fact, most of them haven't.
     
    Yeah, everyone, get with the times. It's pretty clearly the Uncle Tom's Cabin discussion thread at this point.

    Thread tax: I don't think there's anything wrong with works that WERE created to (as some others on this thread have said) "preach" a specific message. The message itself is another thing – certain messages are abhorrent enough to just ruin the work conveying them by association – but I don't think a work being made with the purpose of conveying a specific idea is inherently a bad one.
     
    In a way, all works are created with the purpose of conveying a specific idea. That's the basis of wanting to tell a story!
     
    Oh, just remembered another one. Religious texts.

    This isn't just me being an edgy atheist here, the simple fact of the matter is that not every religion can be correct. Christianity & Buddhism for example are basically mutually-exclusive and run on what are basically direct opposite morals, cosmologies and practicalities to them. But you wouldn't say they haven't had an impact on the world. Both examples basically defined the civilisations on both ends of the silk road even to this very day, for good and for bad.

    While obviously not all fiction is on that level, the level of denial to which you need to engage in to view it all as existing in vacuum is kind of insane. Ironically, that mindset engages with fiction more than the rest of us.
     
    Why, just as I was nodding off to sleep earlier this morning (after a brief waking), my thoughts took a turn and I found myself really wanting to use a story to convey to people the idea that maybe the mysterious monster locked in your parents' basement is actually nice and you can befriend and even date her. This is a lesson people need to learn!
     
    Okay here's one: The Harry Potter books were always kind of bad. Especially if, like me, you went to a Harry Potter style school and realised how awful it was.

    Edit: To go into more detail, Harry Potter is Blairite trash about the middle classes and good aristocrats who were raised in poverty taking the forms of British ruling class life from the normal aristocrats who are evil. It does not recognise that the entire system of the British upper class training that happens in schools like Hogwarts is actually flatly evil. It does not recognise that British public* schools are themselves kind of horrendous institutions.

    It's no wonder so many tiresome political comentators think about nothing else but Harry Potter because it almost perfectly encapsulates the politics off that class of people, and Rowlings fall into reaction was entirely predictable.

    *Really high end british private schools are called public schools.
     
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