Of course Erika realizes our plan to 2v3 a gym is insane. Hopefully she makes sure to emphasize that it's insane to Mariana after we win (hopefully we win). Not even Nemona tried to do that.

Seriously, we need to get Renne usable before our second gym battle, which isn't happening until our second Field Exercise, probably. I don't know why people are jumping onboard Nemona's crazy plan to start getting them at an accelerated pace before we remove that handicap. We can always speed up afterwards.
 
I don't know why people are jumping onboard Nemona's crazy plan to start getting them at an accelerated pace before we remove that handicap.
Because people want to actually play into the theme of the storyline, which is Mary chasing an impossible goal she doesn't really have the drive or the capability to meet. People are doing this fully aware that this is going to stress Mary out, that she will not be able to sustain this for long, and that she will eventually crumble under the pressure and break.

Hi, it's me, I am people.

Mary isn't going to catch Nemona. It's an impossible goal that Mary can't meet. It's not that her Pokemon aren't strong enough; it's that Mary places an impossible level of expectations on herself that crushes any joy she finds in the sport, and so she lacks the drive to get through it for the sake of fun. This is affecting her team and is affecting their overall performance.

And that's... good? It's a good storyline to have, even if it's not very nice to Mary herself.

The current plan is that she can probably keep up at the current pace until around badge 4, when she'll likely crash and burn. That's a good resolution to that storyline, and it's fun to play into it by pushing for it as hard as possible, which involves tackling the Gyms at the same insane pace as Nemona.
 
Like, I agree that it's a fun storyline for Mariana to push herself to try and keep up with Nemona, but with Renne being able to fight we're not going to get a 2nd badge, let alone any further in our quest to Catch the Sun. Even this gym battle, where Roland and Driburr are both above the curve for the easiest badge is a touch and go because it's a 2v3, while if it was a 2v2 like everyone else we would be fine. Without Renne being willing to battle, we are not getting our 2nd badge, let alone attempting to keep up. It's mechanically impossible.
 
She's much more outwardly nervous without that little ghost with her. Must be a sign that he's getting better at siphoning an overflow of emotions. And Mary, dear friend though she may be, does not lack for them.

Could that be why Roland is much more powerful than the average Dreepy?
this is really interesing. Congrats on being so anxious Mary Roland gets to eat so much!
'Does Mary even enjoy battling?'
We're figuring things outErika theres a lot of pressure! and by a lot i mean entirely self-inflicted cultural and poor kid going to college inflicted kind. it'll hopefully work itself out?
The Hoenn magazine, Written Lily,
god I enjoy cooking class but making Erika explain what yuri is to Mary would have been so funny. pointing at the cover of a yuri "Hey Erika dont you think they look like us!"and just moving on
 
I think we can maybe get Renne active for the second gym if we go slightly slower than Nemona.
 
Given Nemona's plan is currently to be tackling the fourth Gym by the second Field Exercise, 'slightly slower than Nemona' is really not saying much.
Literally just 1 gym behind her (take one gym before the second FE). Just a little slower, infinitely frustrating to Mary.
 
It's actually literally impossible for her to do that. We only have 3 weeks between now and the next field exercise, and it takes 2 weeks to do a gym without cutting in line like we can do with Field Exercises according to the action description on normal turns. Even if Nemona schedules them as fast as they'll let her and wins every time, unless she's somehow doing a different system than we are, she can only do one gym before the second Field Exercise.

Even Nemona's battling prodigy status must bow to the demands of scheduling appointments and waiting lists.
 
It's actually literally impossible for her to do that. We only have 3 weeks between now and the next field exercise, and it takes 2 weeks to do a gym without cutting in line like we can do with Field Exercises according to the action description on normal turns. Even if Nemona schedules them as fast as they'll let her and wins every time, unless she's somehow doing a different system than we are, she can only do one gym before the second Field Exercise.
It is completely possible for Nemona to do that.
Week 1: She waits in line.
Week 2: She challenges Gym 2 and waits in line for Gym 3
Week 3: She challenges Gym 3
 
Literally just 1 gym behind her (take one gym before the second FE). Just a little slower, infinitely frustrating to Mary.
Something I have been talking about on Discord is that I really, truly do not think that people arguing this line understand how insane Nemona's canon path is.

There is kind of an inbuilt assumption people have that the other characters are not going to leave Mary in the dust given half a chance. It is, like, an assumption that Mary can go less than all-in and stay anywhere close to Nemona's skill level.

But-

We know where Nemona ends up, right?

By the end of this year, Nemona is going to be a Champion-ranked trainer.

That's insane. That's genuinely insane. That's a fucking disgusting pace for a trainer to match. She is going from having a single first-badge Pokemon at the start of the year, and ending with a full team of Champion-ranked Pokemon in less than one year's time.

She's not just going to have to push for getting all 8 Gym Badges in a year. She's going to have to get all 8 Gym Badges early enough that she can then participate in this year's Conference.

She then has to place high enough in that Conference to win, strong enough that she can beat all the people who have been pushing through the Gym circuit for years to place repeatedly in the Conference.

She then has to not just successfully challenge some of the Elite Four, but beat all of them. All four full Elite Four teams, with their respective differing skillsets and drives, have to be beaten by her team.

And then she has to at least nearly equal Geeta, the current Champion. She has to put up such a good fight against Geeta that she can plausibly win, if not actually pull out a win against her.

In a year, from basically nothing. In less than a year, in fact.

It's not inherently doomed. I don't think Mary is going to become a Champion-ranked trainer, I think that Mary is never actually going to catch Nemona, but she can at least keep close to her... if she's willing to actually put in the time and investment.

But if people are going to look at literally just the second badge and already start thinking to themselves, "Yeah, we really need to wait for Renne before we even think about tackling this gym battle", then like, that's it. Mary's cooked. She's not going to come remotely close to the sheer drive and effort it will take to stand just in Nemona's shadow by even FE3.

Maybe she loses. But like, so what? Who gives a shit? Nemona sure wouldn't.
It's actually literally impossible for her to do that. We only have 3 weeks between now and the next field exercise, and it takes 2 weeks to do a gym without cutting in line like we can do with Field Exercises according to the action description on normal turns. Even if Nemona schedules them as fast as they'll let her and wins every time, unless she's somehow doing a different system than we are, she can only do one gym before the second Field Exercise.

Even Nemona's battling prodigy status must bow to the demands of scheduling appointments and waiting lists.
She literally laid out her plans to do this in-quest already.
"So, Nemona darling, I heard you mention something about wanting a third and maybe even a fourth member already?" Theodora raises her voice, interrupting the two boys.

"Huh? Uh, yea. Maybe not a fourth member, the schedule's already gonna be kinda tight. I was thinking of catching a third member and getting my first badge during the Field Exercise. And once we get back on Saturday, we are going back on Saturday, right?" You reread the handout and tentatively nod. "Yea once we're back, I'll challenge my second Gym, probably one of the Glaseado Range ones. Should take about a week accounting for the Gym Challenge." What.

"After that I'll challenge the other Glaseado Range Gym before the second Field Exercise, maybe the Montenevera one, though I don't have a good type against Rocks and Ghosts…" What.

"And then hopefully by the second Field Exercise, it'll be my fourth Gym Battle. I'm not sure I could train my team to a fourth Badge level in time but even if I lose, It'll be a great experience and an amazing battle!" Nemona clasps her hands together in excitement.

You feel dizzy. Four Badges by the Second Field Exercise!?

S-s-urely she's just speculating, right? She'd have to be a Red-tier prodigy to even be capable of that. Someone who'd be able to tear through a Pokemon League and challenge a Champion within a single year. Erika looks at you in worry.
 
Maybe she loses. But like, so what? Who gives a shit? Nemona sure wouldn't.
Being one pokemon down while trying to keep the same pace would imply thinking that we are better than Nemona, cause Nemone does not, actually, have this handicap. Like, I think the fact that we objectively have a handicap compared to Nemona even without emotional stuff, simply mechanically, should influence our cboice just a little.
 
Yeah, I'm happy to call it a bad job here, really. Mary's not making it very far in this particular goal.

That's fine. What was it, badge four or five we were talking about Mary crashing and burning at, around month four? That's probably the best arc we can shoot for here.

Actually, if we make it badge 5 she crashes and burns at, then the arc can probably turn into her focusing all of those feelings of failure into determining not to fail on the stakes hunt. That's a pretty good turnaround arc, probably.
 
Well, I mean, ok, if you think we won't insta fail on gym 2 simply due to mechanics, I am down to try.
 
Carved from Grandmother's crystal
Assuming the ongoing theory of Grandma Diancie is correct, and knowing what Diancie is made of and what their crystals can do, does this mean Erika has a Keystone?

Because I think Nemona Mendoza may spontaneously combust in jealousy.

She's much more outwardly nervous without that little ghost with her. Must be a sign that he's getting better at siphoning an overflow of emotions. And Mary, dear friend though she may be, does not lack for them.

Could that be why Roland is much more powerful than the average Dreepy? Most of them can spend decades never reaching the strength that little ghost can wield with ease in battle. Something to consider later.
See, all the ghosts that feed on sorrow or fear or happiness are idiots. Taking away people's joy, or putting them in terrible situations is either low yield or high effort. Eating people's anxiety, however, is low risk and high yield. Nobody will stop you and everyone has a crapload.
 
Well, I mean, ok, if you think we won't insta fail on gym 2 simply due to mechanics, I am down to try.
Mary absolutely can pass gym 2 with two Pokemon, even without necessitating max rolls every round. It's not guaranteed, but she can. The second Gym is usually a reasonable step up from the first Gym, but it's still just 'a step up', not a sudden difficulty spike.

Meanwhile, Drilbur's likely to get a pretty substantial power spike in the next couple of weeks; she's not far off of mastering the Hone Claws/Slash combo, which is an automatic boost to a new and powerful move, and she unlocks Swords Dance at the same time. She'll also rank up several of her Ground-type attacks, although I think it's unlikely she'll get to master any in time, and she'll be pretty close to boosting both Curse and Spark up.

Dreepy's got less of a power spike incoming, but he's still got a power spike incoming. It'll probably require a bit of a push, but if we can get him up to 3rd badge-level by the time of the next Gym Battle (he's only 2,500 xp off right now, with the xp from a gym battle and the plot finale of this Field Exercise still to come), he'll unlock Night Shade. The same push should also have him master Will-O-Wisp and unlock Curse (which he can use properly thanks to being a Ghost-type), and strengthen Crunch and Fake-Out, both some of his more powerful moves.

That's assuming there's no TM's the thread agrees on getting, there's no additional rewards for anything, we don't get any more free TM's for our work in this town, etc.

As I said; it's not guaranteed that Mary will get the Gym Battle on a 2v3 run, but it's certainly possible. Drilbur probably won't be at 3rd-badge strength, but Dreepy plausibly could be, meaning Mary's in a disadvantageous position but not a horribly overwhelming one.

And even if she loses-

Well, it won't be amazing for Mary's mental health to lose, but I'm pretty sure Gyms are one of the best places to grind XP in this system, too. They're guaranteed battles against a trainer who's literally designing their team to push you to your limit and teach you valuable lessons. There's no better way for Mary to learn valuable lessons here than to throw herself at Gyms.

And really- if the thread wants to stay anywhere near Nemona, that's what we have to consider. You can't shrug and say you'll wait for a better time where you're more likely to grab the win on your first try. Sometimes, you just have to look at something like a Gym Battle and say, yeah, okay, ready or not I'm going to take my shot at this, and whether I win or lose I'm walking away stronger for it.

Fake edit:

I'm also pretty sure that a solid enough push to Dreepy will have him evolve into Drakloak prior to the Gym Battle. He's at a Bond Level where I'm not overly concerned about him not listening to Mary, so that should be fine; his current issues don't really change whether he's a Dreepy or a Drakloak. That would be a pretty substantial power boost that should make it much more likely for her to win.
 
@Tempera, fair enough. In that case, I think we should try to keep pace. Maybe visit a shop before we exit the FE, JIC.
 
If Mariana was a meaner person she could aid her futile efforts to keep up with Nemona by using her position as class president to create bureaucratic obstacles that prevent Nemona from tackling gyms quite as frequently as she'd like to.
 
Really neat interlude. Always love to see the world from a perspective other than our MC.
Erika's perspective was fun to read about. Curious how she only thinks of Nemona using her last name, definitely not having anything to do with Mary trying to keep up with her rather than hanging out with Erika (who is right there and isn't even trying to hide it get get a hint you idiotic charmer b-b-baka)


She's much more outwardly nervous without that little ghost with her. Must be a sign that he's getting better at siphoning an overflow of emotions. And Mary, dear friend though she may be, does not lack for them.

Could that be why Roland is much more powerful than the average Dreepy? Most of them can spend decades never reaching the strength that little ghost can wield with ease in battle. Something to consider later.
Who needs Vitamins when you've got Anxiety (patent pending) to feed your ghost worm.

God, can't wait for Mary's battle, think this is the most excited for an update yet. Yes, including the Drilbur vs. Nacli vote.
 
Who boy interesting update, nice to see a pov outside of Mary, every so often. Yup, Eirika knows Mary so well and wow she doesnt like Nemona at all huh? and Eirika realizes Mary is going in 2 vs 3 (I wonder how she would react to how Mary met Renne), we really are a bundle of nerves.... Honestly im neutral to the whole "keep up" with Nemona thing, I want to make our pokemon stronger (pokemon trainerc and all that) if we keep on pace good, if not good as well. I eventually just want Mary to find a goal she enjoys and that any pokemon we get can reach their maximim potential.
 
Who needs Vitamins when you've got Anxiety (patent pending) to feed your ghost worm.

God, can't wait for Mary's battle, think this is the most excited for an update yet. Yes, including the Drilbur vs. Nacli vote.

I dont think well ever reach the same levels of strife as the Nacli vs. Drilbur war....... untill we reach or next catchimg session at least.
 
I might have missed it, but why are we keeping track of materials? Will we have options to either sell them or use them somehow at the end of the field exercise? I don't see anything in the information threadmarks.
 
I might have missed it, but why are we keeping track of materials? Will we have options to either sell them or use them somehow at the end of the field exercise? I don't see anything in the information threadmarks.
Like in the S/V, we can use materials to craft TMs/TRs (or have someone else make them using the materials at least)
 
I dont think well ever reach the same levels of strife as the Nacli vs. Drilbur war....... untill we reach or next catchimg session at least.
I feel like we're going to reach that every Pokémon vote. Nacli vs Driblur wasn't that much closer than Shuppet vs Espurr.

There just aren't Pokémon you can predict people will choose. There are too many variables, taste in Pokémon is simply too random. Maybe five voters had one in a playthrough and love one option to bits, maybe another six just think a different option is neat. Maybe people will vote for everything but one particular option because they just dislike that one or it has a terrible reputation for homophobia.

She wouldn't. She'd just be overjoyed to get to face a mega-evolution.
I suppose Erika is going to have to have Scyther go for Scizor over Kleavor then. Unless Z-A comes in clutch.

Such a pity the vast majority of Carbink don't get to Mega Evolve.
 
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