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Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

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Wysteria said:
rich-soil-trap
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Not what I'm saying. Just find an Oddish, have a squirt bottle/thermos with liquid Miracle Grow and Sleep Powder in it, and douse the Oddish in the mix. Since it's asleep, it's absorption of nutrients should be on automatic, meaning it gets a fast acting tranquilizer directly to the bloodstream. Especially since Miracle Grow is designed to be absorbed quickly. Heck, if we want to stay at a safe distance, just tie the mix to a stick and use that to dump it on the Oddish.
 
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Wysteria said:
Sleep powder seems like a good idea for the capture itself, but the bag does present a problem for applying the sleep powder.

If we could get good enough protective equipment in terms of a mask and gloves and all to protect us from the poison long enough, I'd almost skip the second bag and go straight to the capture. Removing the Oddish to a secondary location would require time to set up a secure secondary location I'm not sure we have, given we want to do this as quickly and smoothly as possible.
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I thought we were already not going for removing the Oddish to a secondary location once we decided that we were going to the Safari Zone. Did I never actually suggest that? Must've lost track in all the discussion. :( Well, anyway, if we remove the canvas bag it might be easier to apply the sleep powder, but steel mesh bags are... well, they're porous, but I'm not sure if they're porous enough that we can apply the dose effectively, and like I said I don't know if it works on just the leaves. Putting it on the inside of a bag could work, but it'll still mostly just end up on the leaves, I think.

Hangwind said:
We could mix the sleeping powder with some Miracle Grow. I can't imagine that the nutrient absorption process is conscious so that should make it super absorbable to the Oddish. And honestly, there's no reason we can't get multiple doses of the stuff and just not use the extra unless we have to. Better to have and not need than to need and not have after all.

Just squirt the stuff on while it's still in the ground and dig it up while it's still sleeping off the mickey.

...it does feel a bit date-rapey though.

@wdango is this valid?
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Hangwind said:
Not what I'm saying. Just find an Oddish, have a squirt bottle/thermos with liquid Miracle Grow and Sleep Powder in it, and douse the Oddish in the mix. Since it's asleep, it's absorption of nutrients should be on automatic, meaning it gets a fast acting tranquilizer directly to the bloodstream. Especially since Miracle Grow is designed to be absorbed quickly.
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There is a potential reason why we can't get multiple doses of the stuff: we have to requisition it, and they may not approve of requisitioning so much sleep powder for what should be a simple capture (even if it's a simple capture in the Safari Zone). That said, this is a good plan, if it's valid. Depending on how large the dose is it may simply not absorb it fast enough for it to work, even if liquid Miracle-Gro is designed to be absorbed quickly-- it's still only going to be absorbed as quickly as water is.


Though... actually, thinking on that previous idea more, if we can get one or more bottles of concentrated fertilizer, there's nothing stopping us from just using the stuff near wherever we happen to camp and checking the place out the next day to see if we got anything? It's not setting up an underground trap, and spiking that with sleeping powder probably won't work because it'll likely wear off before we get a chance to check on the spot, but as long as we have the pack-space it's low-effort and it could increase our odds.
 
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I'd wake up predawn to watch for the Oddish(es) that hit our trap(s). That way if a good one takes a sleepy spot, we can hit it with a pokeball immediately.
 
Wysteria said:
I'd wake up predawn to watch for the Oddish(es) that hit our trap(s). That way if a good one takes a sleepy spot, we can hit it with a pokeball immediately.
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This will probably be a hit to our stamina, buuut might be worth it. If the sleep-gro plan is viable, we'll call that Plan S, and... let's say Plan A is looking out for one that we could maybe use that same strategy on opportunistically, and Plan B (in case we run out of the stuff) is the original bagging plan along with deliberately causing it to sever its leaves (which by WoQM won't weaken it). We'll have to wait for QM confirmation, but in the meantime, what do people think of that rough outline? Anything to dispute/add?
 
Hangwind said:
there's no reason we can't get multiple doses of the stuff
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Requisition issue.

You're unlikely to get more than 1 dose, accounting for how resistant Oddish is.

Silver's help means you can likely get 2 doses depending on dice roll.

Instead of half an hour, assume 5-10 minutes depending on how strong the Oddish's Poison-element is.

Any more questions?
 
wdango said:
Requisition issue.

You're unlikely to get more than 1 dose, accounting for how resistant Oddish is.

Silver's help means you can likely get 2 doses depending on dice roll.

Instead of half an hour, assume 5-10 minutes depending on how strong the Oddish's Poison-element is.

Any more questions?
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Oof, that's not good. Okay, so Plan S is gonna be more like "get an Oddish to bed down, use the sleep dose on it if it's good". Will the sleep-gro thing work, or is that something we need to go back to Joy to ask?
 
Lab_Accident said:
Can we not simply catch it underground? Unearth the top of it's head, pour sleep powder, tap it with a pokéball?
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I don't think we can expose very much of it at all or it might scream and bug out. Uprooting is the only thing that definitively gets called out as causing it to scream, but predatory herbivorous pokemon (Nidoran, perhaps?) probably try to dig it up all the time. After I posted that, I also thought of the possibility that it will just require too much sleep powder to simply pour it over a small portion of it (but then the sleep-gro thing got suggested)-- it's like trying to pour a mountain of cocaine into someone's nose through a funnel; only so much is gonna get in there at once. The fact that we can only requisition one dose makes me think that's probably the case.

That said, something that simple and easy would certainly be a really nice way to cut through all of the planning, if it works.

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Camellia said:
I think that would be the thing to go to Bill about, as he's the traps and drugs guy.
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Hm, I suppose. I'd think that she'd know obscure details about pokemon anatomy like that, but it is specifically about drugs, so I guess he'd probably know either way. May as well add it to the list of questions to ask him, yeah.
 
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DeepWaters said:
I don't think we can expose very much of it at all or it might scream and bug out. Uprooting is the only thing that definitively gets called out as causing it to scream, but predatory herbivorous pokemon (Nidoran, perhaps?) probably try to dig it up all the time. After I posted that, I also thought of the possibility that it will just require too much sleep powder to simply pour it over a small portion of it (but then the sleep-gro thing got suggested)-- it's like trying to pour a mountain of cocaine into someone's nose through a funnel; only so much is gonna get in there at once. The fact that we can only requisition one dose makes me think that's probably the case.

That said, something that simple and easy would certainly be a really nice way to cut through all of the planning, if it works.
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Insert a funnel into the ground and gently pour sleep powder straight onto it?
 
So, questions:
  • Can I apply sleep powder in a liquid solution with fast-absorbing fertilizer? Can I apply the fertilizer/sleep powder solution to its roots or to its leaves successfully?
  • If sleep powder was applied directly to a buried Oddish's leaves, would it work, or does it need to be applied to the body?
I think sleep powder application questions are okay to ask traps teacher....

I think for speed and ease, the only digging we should do is to confirm there's actually an Oddish under the Oddish leaves in question.
 
Wysteria said:
So, questions:
  • Can I apply sleep powder in a liquid solution with fast-absorbing fertilizer? Can I apply the fertilizer/sleep powder solution to its roots or to its leaves successfully?
  • If sleep powder was applied directly to a buried Oddish's leaves, would it work, or does it need to be applied to the body?
I think sleep powder application questions are okay to ask traps teacher....

I think for speed and ease, the only digging we should do is to confirm there's actually an Oddish under the Oddish leaves in question.
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Do we actually want to spend a time slot asking questions of Bill? If the Joyce questions are indicative, we might benefit more from a general Oddish Research action than an office consultation.
 
Lab_Accident said:
Insert a funnel into the ground and gently pour sleep powder straight onto it?
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Wysteria said:
So, questions:
  • Can I apply sleep powder in a liquid solution with fast-absorbing fertilizer? Can I apply the fertilizer/sleep powder solution to its roots or to its leaves successfully?
  • If sleep powder was applied directly to a buried Oddish's leaves, would it work, or does it need to be applied to the body?
I think sleep powder application questions are okay to ask traps teacher....

I think for speed and ease, the only digging we should do is to confirm there's actually an Oddish under the Oddish leaves in question.
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Needs more surface area, I think; it's just going to pile up there otherwise. Worth considering as a back-up plan if the sleep-gro isn't valid, or if we can't just apply it to the leaves. That said, I'd personally rather just use the leaf-severing plan if neither of those can work.

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Lab_Accident said:
Do we actually want to spend a time slot asking questions of Bill? If the Joyce questions are indicative, we might benefit more from a general Oddish Research action than an office consultation.
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We already did a general Oddish research action? And an in-depth one? I don't think we're going to get more info from that approach than what we already got. Also, the QM said earlier that we aren't gonna pass if we don't have at least two consultations, iirc; I suspect there are some really pertinent questions we need to ask Bill somewhere.
 
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Lab_Accident said:
Do we actually want to spend a time slot asking questions of Bill? If the Joyce questions are indicative, we might benefit more from a general Oddish Research action than an office consultation.
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We absolutely do. Wdango's flat out said we need to consult multiple teachers to do well on the interviews.

Also, we don't have any further Oddish research action options left, besides teacher discussion.
 
Lab_Accident said:
Then how were we supposed to know the "things that we should already know" that we asked Joy? Or is that just flavour?
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I think it's just flavor? Kotone isn't the best student, so I suppose it makes sense. If we were Gary, we probably would have gotten a lot of those answers fed to us-- iirc, the QM mentioned that early on.

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Here, on the first page:

wdango said:
Gary's Skill gives him unlimited lore checks. Meaning you can ask the QM more stuff than with other characters.
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There's two parts to that - stuff like potions and antidotes existing and how they work are lore checks. The stuff about Gloom's evolutions into Bellossom or Vileplume would be a detailed research into Gloom action, I think.
 
DeepWaters said:
Oof, that's not good. Okay, so Plan S is gonna be more like "get an Oddish to bed down, use the sleep dose on it if it's good". Will the sleep-gro thing work, or is that something we need to go back to Joy to ask?
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Sure but I recommend using both soil/roots and leaves, and giving it some time to take effect.

Wysteria said:
So, questions:
  • Can I apply sleep powder in a liquid solution with fast-absorbing fertilizer? Can I apply the fertilizer/sleep powder solution to its roots or to its leaves successfully?
  • If sleep powder was applied directly to a buried Oddish's leaves, would it work, or does it need to be applied to the body?
I think sleep powder application questions are okay to ask traps teacher....

I think for speed and ease, the only digging we should do is to confirm there's actually an Oddish under the Oddish leaves in question.
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1. Yes.
2. See above quote reply. In any case, assume it'll work once you've done the pertinent research and consultations. Remember to put in these questions if you're meeting Bill.

Wysteria said:
There's two parts to that - stuff like potions and antidotes existing and how they work are lore checks. The stuff about Gloom's evolutions into Bellossom or Vileplume would be a detailed research into Gloom action, I think.
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Exactly! On both counts.
 
REVISED BASIC PLAN
Stalk Oddish
Sneak up on sleeping Oddish
Unearth enough of Oddish to confirm it is an Oddish and not some leaves
Drug Oddish with sleep powder mixed with fast-absorbing fertilizer, applied to both body and leaves
Wait for a bit (ask Bill how long)
Catch Oddish

Obviously we'll fill this out and add some contingencies, but did I get the basic outline right?
 
For the record, depending on research and Kotone-known information, you don't need to micromanage the trapping etc. once the hunting actually starts. I'll be picking the most effective options for you, *but* you may still choose to micromanage in the event your knowledge surpasses Kotone's.

If you do write-in an option that's less effective than Kotone's plan, I'll advise against it, but if the vote goes through, I'll be favouring the write-in over the MC's knowledge.
 
Oh, thank heavens - she's definitely better and more informed about all of this than us. I'll happily leave it to her discretion.
Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 21, 2019 at 3:00 PM, finished with 1099 posts and 12 votes.
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Wysteria said:
Oh, thank heavens - she's definitely better and more informed about all of this than us. I'll happily leave it to her discretion.
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Don't count on it. I'm not creative enough to have good ideas without all of this discussion.

CARRY ON.
Adhoc vote count started by wdango on Jun 21, 2019 at 2:44 PM, finished with 1098 posts and 12 votes.
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Wysteria said:
REVISED BASIC PLAN
Stalk Oddish
Sneak up on sleeping Oddish
Unearth enough of Oddish to confirm it is an Oddish and not some leaves
Drug Oddish with sleep powder mixed with fast-absorbing fertilizer, applied to both body and leaves
Wait for a bit (ask Bill how long)
Catch Oddish

Obviously we'll fill this out and add some contingencies, but did I get the basic outline right?
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Yeah, that seems about right. Add "use fertilizer to bait Oddish during travel" and "in case of emergency, bag it and hibernate it", and I think that about covers the basic side branches to the outline (barring more commentary from others)? Then we'll round it out more from there.
 
Votes are tied so I'm gonna go to sleep. Update tomorrow......... likely morning but idk if I wake up late it'll be the day after tomorrow, because I've got a farewell dinner and I'll likely be too drunk to update.
 
wdango said:
Every summer, it spends around two to three weeks in a hibernative state.
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When are we taking the test?

Also, if the potency of an Oddish's poison is determined by the glossiness of it's leaves, does catching one mid-evolution imply we cannot know how potent it is? Also, beyond toxicity determining how good a poison type it is, how do we determine how good a Grass type it is? Strenght of root or something?

Basically, beyond pure size and maturity, how do we determine if an Oddish is a particularly impressive member of it's species? (This would have been a good question to ask Joy.) If we're going to catch an Oddish, might as well try for the greatest Oddish in the history of Oddish.
 
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