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Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice

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[x] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
 
It's Latewinter. Which I assume is late winter.

We can eyeball Oddish's now, @Lab_Accident - it's in Kotone's profile.
Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 21, 2019 at 4:11 PM, finished with 1102 posts and 13 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 21, 2019 at 6:51 PM, finished with 1107 posts and 14 votes.
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Lab_Accident said:
When are we taking the test?

Also, if the potency of an Oddish's poison is determined by the glossiness of it's leaves, does catching one mid-evolution imply we cannot know how potent it is? Also, beyond toxicity determining how good a poison type it is, how do we determine how good a Grass type it is? Strenght of root or something?

Basically, beyond pure size and maturity, how do we determine if an Oddish is a particularly impressive member of it's species? (This would have been a good question to ask Joy.) If we're going to catch an Oddish, might as well try for the greatest Oddish in the history of Oddish.
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Feel free to tell me what you want to look out for. INT is a measure of elemental prowess.

Lab_Accident said:
Oh yeah. I actually reall love that, by the way, dividing the year into four seasons and the seasons into three one-month blocks (early, mid, late), making a very descriptive 12-month year. It's just, so logical, so neat.
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Thank you ehehehehe.

I also divide days into 6 blocks of 4-hour periods.

Early are the equinoxes/solstices actually, symbolising the entire 4 weeks after the equinox/solstice instead of just that one time period.
 
wdango said:
Feel free to tell me what you want to look out for. INT is a measure of elemental prowess.


Thank you ehehehehe.

I also divide days into 6 blocks of 4-hour periods.

Early are the equinoxes/solstices actually, symbolising the entire 4 weeks after the equinox/solstice instead of just that one time period.
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Well we'd look for glossiness of leaves, size of the Oddish, size of it's leaves and maybe leaf to blue part(roots?) ratio.

Seems like the plan got figured out while I was asleep. The posting schedule is during bed time. :'(
 
[X] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [X] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [X] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.

Oh well time to talk.
The professor interaction felt like "Why the fuck are you asking me these questions? Did you do your homework? Huh? Huh? Huh? Didya? No? Yeah that's what I thought. Punk. Get outta my office hours!" Too real, man. Shake my smh.
 
Shin said:
Well we'd look for glossiness of leaves, size of the Oddish, size of it's leaves and maybe leaf to blue part(roots?) ratio.

Seems like the plan got figured out while I was asleep. The posting schedule is during bed time. :'(
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There's still tons of work to do on the plan! We need questions for traps Bill and supply guy and contingency plans and everything needs to be written up nicely.
 
[x] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [x] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [x] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
 
So I like the miracle growth and sleep powder mix but I don't think we need to uncover it. We're looking for a specific sized Oddish so we would need to see it bed down, therefore we don't have to take the risk of uncovering it when we use the mixture.

Another idea is to just shoot a tranq where the leaves meet and not worry about all that. We only need our drug to work for however long it takes a pokeball to work and I don't even think we'd have to dig the Oddish up to catch it since the leaves are part of the Pokemon.

We should take last watch every night so that we can scout around for Oddish bedding down for the day.
 
DeepWaters said:
Yeah, that seems about right. Add "use fertilizer to bait Oddish during travel" and "in case of emergency, bag it and hibernate it", and I think that about covers the basic side branches to the outline (barring more commentary from others)? Then we'll round it out more from there.
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I wonder if getting a shovel under it before we induce it to drop its leaves would be a useful addition.

Thinking on it, I have some questions for bill:
  1. Are there any better ways of debilitating an electricity and drug-resistant buried plant than sleep powder?
  2. Does he see any problems or opportunities in our plan?
  3. What about debilitating poison-types more generally?
  4. How damaging traps is it usually reliably unproblematic to use?
  5. Would steel snares be strong enough to hold a Kangashkan?
  6. What immobilisation trap is quickest to deploy in the field?
  7. How many tranq darts would we typically need to take down a Kangashkan?
  8. Do you have any advice on driving pokemon into traps, or goading them to approach you over trapped terrain?
  9. Are there an substances we can use to convince unwanted pokemon to fuck right off? Like, Repel, or a dart poisoned with Nope.
I just realised an upside of gloom: gloom-stank can probably be harvested to make Repel. And speaking of Repel, if we can't be assigned that, we should absolutely get Silver to "acquire" some. There are three main places where we might really need it: if Oddish screams, if Nidoran attracts its Kingdom, and if the Kangashkan attracts scavengers/predators.

Honestly, with Kangashkan, a better plan may just be to immobilise it with a trap and tranq it silly.

With Nidoran, we may be able to simply snare one, discourage reinforcements with Repel, and sleep powder/taser it into catchability. Speaking of, that's worth suggesting to Silver and Leaf.

@wdango would this be counted as the same vote?

[X] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [X] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [X] Raise the possibility of immobilising Kangashkan with a trap and tranquilising it with darts, and using a combination of a snare and electroparalysis/sleep powder on Nidoran, while popping a Repel to discourage help.
→ [X] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
 
I think sniping the Kangaskhan has a much lower injury chance for us, so I'd rather that wasn't brought up as a serious idea. that said, I don't mind the Nidoran thing.
 
Skewfiend said:
I wonder if getting a shovel under it before we induce it to drop its leaves would be a useful addition.
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Elaborate on this part? Not sure what you mean.

Skewfiend said:
Thinking on it, I have some questions for bill:
  1. Are there any better ways of debilitating an electricity and drug-resistant buried plant than sleep powder?
  2. Does he see any problems or opportunities in our plan?
  3. What about debilitating poison-types more generally?
  4. How damaging traps is it usually reliably unproblematic to use?
  5. Would steel snares be strong enough to hold a Kangashkan?
  6. What immobilisation trap is quickest to deploy in the field?
  7. How many tranq darts would we typically need to take down a Kangashkan?
  8. Do you have any advice on driving pokemon into traps, or goading them to approach you over trapped terrain?
  9. Are there an substances we can use to convince unwanted pokemon to fuck right off? Like, Repel, or a dart poisoned with Nope.
I just realised an upside of gloom: gloom-stank can probably be harvested to make Repel. And speaking of Repel, if we can't be assigned that, we should absolutely get Silver to "acquire" some. There are three main places where we might really need it: if Oddish screams, if Nidoran attracts its Kingdom, and if the Kangashkan attracts scavengers/predators.

Honestly, with Kangashkan, a better plan may just be to immobilise it with a trap and tranq it silly.

With Nidoran, we may be able to simply snare one, discourage reinforcements with Repel, and sleep powder/taser it into catchability. Speaking of, that's worth suggesting to Silver and Leaf.

@wdango would this be counted as the same vote?

[X] Talk to Silver and Leaf. (1 Day)
→ [X] Touch base, and start making joint plans. Discuss any preparations that need to be done.
→ [X] Raise the possibility of immobilising Kangashkan with a trap and tranquilising it with darts, and using a combination of a snare and electroparalysis/sleep powder on Nidoran, while popping a Repel to discourage help.
→ [X] Try to be patient with Leaf, and maybe even foster some team spirit. Your lives will depend on each other.
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Questions need a bit of refining (especially 4 and 9 :V), but generally seem good to me. I seriously doubt a Repel is going to be enough to discourage a Nidokingdom to stop us from kidnapping one of their own-- it will probably hamper them, but it will totally not be that easy. We'd need to muffle the Nidoran's calls for help, at the least. It's exactly the kind of thing I want for Oddish and to discourage predators/scavengers from Kangaskhan, though.

Also note that Nidoran is going to be resistant to sleep powder too, given that apparently all Poison pokemon are resistant to drugs.

Maybe specify that we only raise the possibility if we think their current plans (particularly Silver's plan, which we don't know anything about) might have serious flaws. Personally, I think the current Kangaskhan plan is probably the best one in terms of risk vs likelihood to succeed, at least without doing any in-depth research of our own. Kangaskhan is probably strong and tough enough that taking it down through traps and drugs alone will be very difficult, and if it's not injured it's probably more likely to go berserk than to flee; while it'd be more humane, if it's not more likely to succeed then it doesn't make sense to go with it IC. I'd rather use traps to supplement the sniping idea.
 
Wysteria said:
I think sniping the Kangaskhan has a much lower injury chance for us, so I'd rather that wasn't brought up as a serious idea. that said, I don't mind the Nidoran thing.
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Certainly depending on how we do it, in either case, and I'm not seeing a severe enough difference to justify not floating the possibility.

In particular, if we had time to set up some traps, and snipe the Kangashkan from a distance to try to chase it into them, and repeatedly tranq it from long range, that would be pretty low-risk.

Trying to goad it to approach us through a field of traps would be much higher-risk but easier, and I would probably go with the existing plan over it.

In any event, having multiple plans for multiple scenarios is usually good.
 
So since poison types are resistant but not immune to sleep powders and such: for nidoran, what if we went the good ol route of ensnaring them then beating them into submission?
They can understand us, so what if we tell them that they could work with us, and we could stop punching the snot out of them?
Probably dangerous if not isolated, but putting a bit of lead into a few of its friends should convince them it's not worth fighting us.

Though there is the problem of attracting attention with our guns and such...

I definitely support the sniping Kangaskhan and tracking it down option. Minimize risk with the big kangaroo please.
 
Plausitivity said:
So since poison types are resistant but not immune to sleep powders and such: for nidoran, what if we went the good ol route of ensnaring them then beating them into submission?
They can understand us, so what if we tell them that they could work with us, and we could stop punching the snot out of them?
Probably dangerous if not isolated, but putting a bit of lead into a few of its friends should convince them it's not worth fighting us.

Though there is the problem of attracting attention with our guns and such...

I definitely support the sniping Kangaskhan and tracking it down option. Minimize risk with the big kangaroo please.
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I... really don't think that's going to work. How do you plan on isolating a Nidoran if its Kingdom is close enough for us to kill some of its friends? We can't exactly threaten a Nidoqueen or Nidoking, let alone an entire Kingdom of Nidoran. It can just wait for them to arrive and stomp us flat.

Also, still don't buy that Kotone thinks pokemon can be negotiated with right now, let alone characters who don't have "A Better World" as their personal quest. :V
 
DeepWaters said:
Elaborate on this part? Not sure what you mean.
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dig a little down, and get the blade of the shovel under the Oddish. That should hamper its ability to burrow itself.

DeepWaters said:
Maybe specify that we only raise the possibility if we think their current plans (particularly Silver's plan, which we don't know anything about) might have serious flaws.
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What's the rationale for that? It seems a little confrontational.

DeepWaters said:
I seriously doubt a Repel is going to be enough to discourage a Nidokingdom to stop us from kidnapping one of their own-- it will probably hamper them, but it will totally not be that easy.
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Oh it won't entirely stop them, but it should give us far more wiggle-room if we have to go for an outlying member instead of a rare outsider.

DeepWaters said:
especially 4 and 9 :V
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:p

DeepWaters said:
Personally, I think the current Kangaskhan plan is probably the best one in terms of risk vs likelihood to succeed, at least without doing any in-depth research of our own. Kangaskhan is probably strong and tough enough that taking it down through traps and drugs alone will be very difficult, and if it's not injured it's probably more likely to go berserk than to flee; while it'd be more humane, if it's not more likely to succeed then it doesn't make sense to go with it IC. I'd rather use traps to supplement the sniping idea.
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Honestly, that's fair, but it's probably at least worth checking whether traps and poison work. We might want to research Kangashkan before we ask some of the related questions, though. Perhaps in a follow-up interview during prep-time.
 
One thing I've been thinking about Oddish is it's a good way for us to encourage Kotone to have good, positive relationships with her Pokemon. Bad relationship = stinky Gloom. No one wants stinky Gloom. No one.
 
I think there's no reason to take the leaves off an Oddish. It's going to be a relatively easy capture so there isn't really a reason to weaken our Pokemon. We were told the drugs don't work for long, not that they don't work.

Also, we should probably just see what silvers plan is, I doubt he doesn't have one.
 
Skewfiend said:
dig a little down, and get the blade of the shovel under the Oddish. That should hamper its ability to burrow itself.
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Hm, maybe. We want it to think it's safe, though. If it meets an obstruction, it might realize something's up and not actually go into hibernation. Then again, that might be automatic.

Skewfiend said:
What's the rationale for that? It seems a little confrontational.
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I think assuming that we know how to make better plans than them without having actually done any of the research is a little arrogant and presumptuous. It's one thing to add onto an existing plan, but we don't even know Silver's plan yet and the suggested Kangaskhan plan is a different one entirely. It does come off a bit differently if it's suggested as an alternative or contingency plan, but an alternative in case of what? I can't tell in what way it's better (aside from being more humane, but sadly that is not a factor here :().

Skewfiend said:
Oh it won't entirely stop them, but it should give us far more wiggle-room if we have to go for an outlying member instead of a rare outsider.

Honestly, that's fair, but it's probably at least worth checking whether traps and poison work. We might want to research Kangashkan before we ask some of the related questions, though. Perhaps in a follow-up interview during prep-time.
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Fair enough on both counts. It's probably worth a shot to look into it after our interview, and we're probably going to try bringing Repels anyway for Oddish and Kangaskhan (assuming they're available).

Shin said:
I think there's no reason to take the leaves off an Oddish. It's going to be a relatively easy capture so there isn't really a reason to weaken our Pokemon. We were told the drugs don't work for long, not that they don't work.

Also, we should probably just see what silvers plan is, I doubt he doesn't have one.
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WoQM is that it doesn't weaken the pokemon at all. All it does is take a week to regrow its leaves. It's just a back-up plan for if something goes wrong at this point, anyway, since we're only allowed to requisition one dose (maybe two if Silver comes through) of sleep powder for an Oddish. We already have a main plan based around using drugs right now.
 
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DeepWaters said:
I think assuming that we know how to make better plans than them without having actually done any of the research is a little arrogant and presumptuous. It's one thing to add onto an existing plan, but we don't even know Silver's plan yet and the suggested Kangaskhan plan is a different one entirely. It does come off a bit differently if it's suggested as an alternative or contingency plan, but an alternative in case of what? I can't tell in what way it's better (aside from being more humane, but sadly that is not a factor here :().
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it's an angle i hadn't considered, but I don't think we necessarily risk coming off that way.
Especially since both suggestions rely on our skillset, which they did not have access to when making their plans.
 
Skewfiend said:
it's an angle i hadn't considered, but I don't think we necessarily risk coming off that way.
Especially since both suggestions rely on our skillset, which they did not have access to when making their plans.
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I think Kotone might risk coming off that way even if she doesn't mean it that way just because of how blunt and antisocial she is. :V That said, Leaf might take it in stride and Silver probably knows her well enough to realize that she's just making her skillset available, so fair enough. Think that's up to the QM's interpretation.

EDIT: Though I do think it's entirely likely that Leaf will end up being stubborn about this plan. It's the one her father used, after all.
 
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wdango said:
Also, you think kidnapping a Kangaskhan's child and leaving it alive is more humane? LOL.
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Well, no. I assumed with that plan we were taking the adult/juvenile Kangaskhan. :V Presumably one that didn't actually have a joey? (Do Kangaskhan ever not have joeys?) Anyway, guess that was a bad assumption. Would probably be too hard to control, anyway.

(...) how do Kangaskhan breed, anyway? There's only same-species pokemon breeding in this setting. At least pokemon like Miltank and Tauros are paired often enough that maybe they just count as the same species (like Nidoran), but Kangaskhan has nothing of the sort. Are there male Kangaskhan here? Is it parthenogenesis? Are they born pregnant like aphids? Are they like those really fucked-up mites that breed through incestuous orgies before being born and then are born by eating their way out of their mother? Is it a mystery that will never be solved because it's funnier that way? :V
 
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