There was a Spi...dea. (Sony, Spider-Man Producer Quest)

Wow!
If he steal stuff we can probably do some sort of crossover/cameo with Black Cat
We can always show him going to new york at the end of his movie, and then him being some kind of villain for spiderman (peter doesn't like that he doesn't mind harming people and structures) and a semi-rival for black cat ( She does not like someone stealing from people who planned to rob and also stealing customers).

and the mystery does not like that someone (spiderman) steals his attention and prevents him from stealing. and she doesn't like that black cat is a competitor when it comes to stealing
 
What about doing a reference to Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099), maybe just a few references to a potential ancestor of his?

Heck, we could make an entire character based on the ancestor, like our own Agent Coulson.

Also, maybe doing something with The Jackal and Ben Reilly could be interesting, if we do a more... cohesive version of the Clone Saga. Maybe with just Ben, and a few malformed Spider-Man clones turning into monstrous fusions of Spider and Man?
 
What about doing a reference to Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099), maybe just a few references to a potential ancestor of his?
Ok I didn't know anything about him and just read a bit in the wiki...
We should definitely include him is some fashion, I think it will be more appropriate after the "death" of Peter Parker, when we plan to have all the other heros/villains turned anti-heros trying to figure out what wrong with the Superior Spider-man

A movie set in the future where the audience learn about Spider-Man 2099 in great focus, and learn interesting relevant details about the past (actually present) in passing, as it's old history there.
 
Ok I didn't know anything about him and just read a bit in the wiki...
We should definitely include him is some fashion, I think it will be more appropriate after the "death" of Peter Parker, when we plan to have all the other heros/villains turned anti-heros trying to figure out what wrong with the Superior Spider-man

A movie set in the future where the audience learn about Spider-Man 2099 in great focus, and learn interesting relevant details about the past (actually present) in passing, as it's old history there.

Just had the idea of having Miguel be into "old music" that's actually all of the current hit songs, along with a couple of older ones.

It's a small idea, but I think it could be funny.

Like, "Oh. I really like old music" *plays Eye of The Tiger, Love the Way You Lie, and various other songs from the 80's to 2010's*
 
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what do we have planned for the eventual inclusion of spiderman in the mcu by marvel / disney ... or do we let them do what they want since by that time we will have already introduced the multiverse?
 
what do we have planned for the eventual inclusion of spiderman in the mcu by marvel / disney ... or do we let them do what they want since by that time we will have already introduced the multiverse?
If we are successful enough maybe we can get into some kind of agreement that they can use version of spiderman and in return we can use some of their characters

Another thing that is worth doing is trying to convince Sony to buy some of Fox characters
 
What about doing a reference to Miguel O'Hara (Spider-Man 2099), maybe just a few references to a potential ancestor of his?

Heck, we could make an entire character based on the ancestor, like our own Agent Coulson.
I think that, for our purposes at least, we can have Miguel's ancestor be related to Miles or Anya; maybe even both, if we want our versions to be siblings, cousins or...
Also, maybe doing something with The Jackal and Ben Reilly could be interesting, if we do a more... cohesive version of the Clone Saga. Maybe with just Ben, and a few malformed Spider-Man clones turning into monstrous fusions of Spider and Man?
While we can't use the Ultimates route and have Jessica Drew be one of Peter's clones [Marvel still owns the rights to her, but not Spider-Woman], we can still use a version of that storyline to create Scorpion and/or Anya in addition to Ben.
 
Pretty sure Sony and Marvel had shared rights to Spider-Woman, if I remember correctly. I at least remember reading it somewhere.

Or maybe I'm misremembering? That's totally possible.
 
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Orion Ultor's Spider-Man 2 idea.
Phase 1: Worst Enemies of Spider-Man
Interesting, but because of the way we set up Shocker I think we can lean a little more towards the criminal element than what you're proposing, as well as trim down the number of movies we need to set up a number of these villains.

Here's my proposal: OsCorp is the Arc Villain...but not for the reasons you think.

Alright, it's established that in our scripts that A) Peter has dealt with the Chameleon, B) Herman decided to attack a subsidiary of OsCorp, C) Shocker has a plan to take over the prison, and D) the Shocker gets recruited for another initiative in prison. In addition we know that in the comics that E) in the Ultimate Peter's powers were tied to an attempt at creating the Super Soldier Serum (made by OsCorp), F) in that same continuity, Richard Parker had been one of the scientists working on an [unrelated] Super Soldier Project, G) Peter's parents were spies (616), H) Peter's parents were assassinated (616), I) Chameleon was taught by the man who killed his parents (616), J) Kraven and Chameleon are half-brothers (616), K) Kraven's family has a thing against Spider-Man and his allies...

Now that we have all of that together, let's start building up a story of Criminals, Espionage and Corporate Sabotage using that information.

Spider-Man 2:
Starting with that Post-Credits sequence where Shocker is approached by a recruiter [who so far hasn't been tied to anybody], ask that he keep an eye on Dmitri (Chameleon). Next, we move to Kraven, who as a higher up in the Solntsevskaya Bratva [Russian Mafia], hearing about his brother's capture. Now, there's no love lost between the two brothers, but there's honor, family honor, at stake here, so Kraven asks two of his own, Aleksei Sytsevich [Rhino] and Adrian Toomes [Vulture] to learn what they can about the "Pauk" [Spider]. Their first stop is getting into contact with Dmitri [through a backdoor prison channel to keep their names clear] about what he knows about the Spider, where he gives a rather detailed, and well reasoned, impression of Spider-Man; unknown to the three, this communique is tapped by Herman who grins with a bit of satisfaction.

From here, start building up the idea that Kraven and his brother were where they were at in the Bratva hierarchy wasn't just because they were violent thugs with a sense of intelligence, but because of their prior ties to the KGB and the secrets, tech and blackmail they could level at people with little effort on their parts; simultaneously, Peter's uncovering family secrets via his parent's effects, finding that they were Government Contractors due to their positions in OsCorp, a defense contractor to the US Military, with references to a formula. But it ultimately isn't until the end [after the B-Story involving Herman and Dmitri's war for control over the prison that ends in Herman's favor], that things line up for us and the audience learns that they [the Kravinoff brothers], specifically, were the reason his parents were assassinated, that Peter was left an orphan, that we get to get our first glimpse of Peter's rage.

In this rage, and against the advice of all his friends and family, Peter makes a beeline for Kraven. What he fails to understand, is that in those many years Kraven and his cadre weren't idle with the technology and formulae they stole from the Parkers, created weakened versions of the prototype formula [that eventually created Peter]; it's why, when he's confronted by a fully kitted out Rhino and Vulture, they can stand reasonably toe-to-toe with Spider-Man. He struggles, eventually overcoming them, but then has to face Kraven in his full glory. The fight is absolutely brutal, and it's only a reminder of Uncle Ben that snaps him out of his rage, letting him finally gain an upper hand.

B-Plots:
- Herman taking over Riker's, first by taking out Dmitri. Loses to Kraven when he finally shows up.
-- "You are but an animal trapped in this cage, with I, the Hunter!"
- Felicia's estranged father, Ivan Hardesky, part of Kraven's Bratva and this series' Tinkerer.
-- When he fails to work fast enough and fearing he is a turncoat, Kraven forces Ivan to test the formula on his daughter, tying it into why Peter confronts Kraven the way he does.
- News about Astronaut John Jameson returning to Earth after the successful first test flight of a private aerospace vehicle (OsCorp) and the recovery of alien material. JJJ is crowing about it, happy as he can be.

Post-Credits: Norman Osborn, having managed to finally [after all these years] repossess the technologies stolen from OsCorp, gives them over to his team of scientists overseeing the project; Kurt Conners and Michael Morbius and Miles Warren, as overseen by Project Lead Otto Octavius. In the background, we see the creation of a Venom symbiote from the acquired alien material.

Spider-Man 3: TBD
Need to see what we actually agree on what the sequel should be, but I figure having Venom the main antagonist/deuteragonist works here, maybe having Morbius and the Lizard as secondary villains. Tease the Clone Saga, Gwen as Spider-Woman, and/or Green Goblin here.
Pretty sure Sony and Marvel had shared rights to Spider-Woman, if I remember correctly. I at least remember reading it somewhere.
From what I could gather, because Sony has the rights to all Spider-Man properties [for film distribution], if Marvel was to make a movie about Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman they'd have to either come to the negotiation table or pay for licensing of Spider-Woman in the title.

But that's specifically her, Julia Carpenter, Mattie Franklin, and Mayday Parker are all fair game for us [and Gwen, in two years].
 
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Okay, I really like it. But, I just have a couple of things that I'm not 100% sure on.

Why have The Vulture? I feel like that's kind of... bloating the villains a bit, Kraven and Rhino are big enough threats, and it'd give us more time in the B-plots with Herman and Felicia.

Also, I understand teasing Morbius and Lizard with that post-credit scene, but I'm not sure having Miles Warren and Otto Octavius also there would be a smart idea, as it'd tie four (five if you count Norman Osborn) of Spider-Man's villains to the exact same place. And that just seems... off, in a way I don't know how to describe.
 
Interesting, but because of the way we set up Shocker I think we can lean a little more towards the criminal element than what you're proposing, as well as trim down the number of movies we need to set up a number of these villains.

Here's my proposal: OsCorp is the Arc Villain...but not for the reasons you think.

Alright, it's established that in our scripts that A) Peter has dealt with the Chameleon, B) Herman decided to attack a subsidiary of OsCorp, C) Shocker has a plan to take over the prison, and D) the Shocker gets recruited for another initiative in prison. In addition we know that in the comics that E) in the Ultimate Peter's powers were tied to an attempt at creating the Super Soldier Serum (made by OsCorp), F) in that same continuity, Richard Parker had been one of the scientists working on an [unrelated] Super Soldier Project, G) Peter's parents were spies (616), H) Peter's parents were assassinated (616), I) Chameleon was taught by the man who killed his parents (616), J) Kraven and Chameleon are half-brothers (616), K) Kraven's family has a thing against Spider-Man and his allies...

Now that we have all of that together, let's start building up a story of Criminals, Espionage and Corporate Sabotage using that information.

Spider-Man 2:
Starting with that Post-Credits sequence where Shocker is approached by a recruiter [who so far hasn't been tied to anybody], ask that he keep an eye on Dmitri (Chameleon). Next, we move to Kraven, who as a higher up in the Solntsevskaya Bratva [Russian Mafia], hearing about his brother's capture. Now, there's no love lost between the two brothers, but there's honor, family honor, at stake here, so Kraven asks two of his own, Aleksei Sytsevich [Rhino] and Adrian Toomes [Vulture] to learn what they can about the "Pauk" [Spider]. Their first stop is getting into contact with Dmitri [through a backdoor prison channel to keep their names clear] about what he knows about the Spider, where he gives a rather detailed, and well reasoned, impression of Spider-Man; unknown to the three, this communique is tapped by Herman who grins with a bit of satisfaction.

From here, start building up the idea that Kraven and his brother were where they were at in the Bratva hierarchy wasn't just because they were violent thugs with a sense of intelligence, but because of their prior ties to the KGB and the secrets, tech and blackmail they could level at people with little effort on their parts; simultaneously, Peter's uncovering family secrets via his parent's effects, finding that they were Government Contractors due to their positions in OsCorp, a defense contractor to the US Military, with references to a formula. But it ultimately isn't until the end [after the B-Story involving Herman and Dmitri's war for control over the prison that ends in Herman's favor], that things line up for us and the audience learns that they [the Kravinoff brothers], specifically, were the reason his parents were assassinated, that Peter was left an orphan, that we get to get our first glimpse of Peter's rage.

In this rage, and against the advice of all his friends and family, Peter makes a beeline for Kraven. What he fails to understand, is that in those many years Kraven and his cadre weren't idle with the technology and formulae they stole from the Parkers, created weakened versions of the prototype formula [that eventually created Peter]; it's why, when he's confronted by a fully kitted out Rhino and Vulture, they can stand reasonably toe-to-toe with Spider-Man. He struggles, eventually overcoming them, but then has to face Kraven in his full glory. The fight is absolutely brutal, and it's only a reminder of Uncle Ben that snaps him out of his rage, letting him finally fain an upper hand.

B-Plots:
- Herman taking over Riker's, first by taking out Dmitri. Loses to Kraven when he finally shows up.
-- "You are but an animal trapped in this cage, with I, the Hunter!"
- Felicia's estranged father, Ivan Hardesky, part of Kraven's Bratva and this series' Tinkerer.
-- When he fails to work fast enough and fearing he is a turncoat, Kraven forces Ivan to test the formula on his daughter, tying it into why Peter confronts Kraven the way he does.
- News about Astronaut John Jameson returning to Earth after the successful first test flight of a private aerospace vehicle (OsCorp) and the recovery of alien material.

Post-Credits: Norman Osborn, having managed to finally [after all these years] repossess the technologies stolen from OsCorp, gives them over to his team of scientists overseeing the project; Kurt Conners, Michael Morbius and Miles Warren, as overseen by Project Lead Otto Octavius. In the background, we see the creation of a Venom symbiote from the acquired alien material.

Spider-Man 3: TBD
Need to see what we actually agree on what the sequel should be, but I figure having Venom the main antagonist/deuteragonist works here, maybe having Morbius and the Lizard as secondary villains. Tease the Clone Saga, Gwen as Spider-Woman, and/or Green Goblin here.

From what I could gather, because Sony has the rights to all Spider-Man properties [for film distribution], if Marvel was to make a movie about Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman they'd have to either come to the negotiation table or pay for licensing of Spider-Woman in the title.

But that's specifically her, Julia Carpenter, Mattie Franklin, and Mayday Parker are all fair game for us [and Gwen, in two years].
Sounds good, but I'm not sure of the angle with Kraven and his allies.
I would prefer that adrian toomes be something similar to the origin of the comics or if possible (and what I would like the most) something similar to that of ucm (but adapted to this universe)

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The idea is good, but I think that vulture is too much, it is not necessary and it is mostly to inflate numbers (I think that time on the screen with other things would be better used).

As for the team as they said before, it is also very inflate villains and characters because if, at most, put the uncle of thousands as an indication of the future spiderman (that would be seen in what would be the third phase).


Also an error that you are making that is the same as the originals made is giving too many plots, I think part of the charm of spiderman is that he could be anyone if he were in his circumstances and it does not matter the parents and others of him. .

Anyway, it sounds too much the same as the original one from amazing spiderma 2 and it seems that your idea has the same errors so I almost certainly won't vote for yours
 
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Okay, I really like it. But, I just have a couple of things that I'm not 100% sure on.

Why have The Vulture? I feel like that's kind of... bloating the villains a bit, Kraven and Rhino are big enough threats, and it'd give us more time in the B-plots with Herman and Felicia.

Also, I understand teasing Morbius and Lizard with that post-credit scene, but I'm not sure having Miles Warren and Otto Octavius also there would be a smart idea, as it'd tie four (five if you count Norman Osborn) of Spider-Man's villains to the exact same place. And that just seems... off, in a way I don't know how to describe.
I figured that by sticking to a theme (Animals) and their powers originating mostly from the suit, Vulture [either as Toomes or Dago (I'd say Natale, but he was more a shock value character)] would be a better fit for the movie; like, Bad Guy and his two henchmen is a common enough trope. As for Octavius and Warren, I figured it was better to include them both into the draft since I wasn't sure if people were willing to go down the Ultimate route, which cut Warren out entirely in favor of Doc Ock being the one to kickstart its Clone Saga.

But I do see your point, maybe save Octavius and Toomes for something else.
Also an error that you are making that is the same as the originals made is giving too many plots, I think part of the charm of spiderman is that he could be anyone if he were in his circumstances and it does not matter the parents and others of him.
Problem is, that is literally part of his backstory and has been since 1968 in a story written by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber [six years after his introduction], that his parents were spies and were killed by spies; the idea has been addressed multiple times since, even being reintroduced in the '90s cartoon, and will be touched on again in two years [in story]. All mine draft did was propose that, ala Ultimates, they were scientists working on important things that ultimately endangered them, and that Peter finding out about this years later is more a coincidence than anything else.

If we want to play with the idea he can be anybody, we can touch on that later with Miles Morales, but even he has stuff going on his backstory that doesn't play well with the idea.
 
I figured that by sticking to a theme (Animals) and their powers originating mostly from the suit, Vulture [either as Toomes or Dago (I'd say Natale, but he was more a shock value character)] would be a better fit for the movie; like, Bad Guy and his two henchmen is a common enough trope. As for Octavius and Warren, I figured it was better to include them both into the draft since I wasn't sure if people were willing to go down the Ultimate route, which cut Warren out entirely in favor of Doc Ock being the one to kickstart its Clone Saga.

But I do see your point, maybe save Octavius and Toomes for something else.

Problem is, that is literally part of his backstory and has been since 1968 in a story written by Stan Lee and Larry Lieber [six years after his introduction], that his parents were spies and were killed by spies; the idea has been addressed multiple times since, even being reintroduced in the '90s cartoon, and will be touched on again in two years [in story]. All mine draft did was propose that, ala Ultimates, they were scientists working on important things that ultimately endangered them, and that Peter finding out about this years later is more a coincidence than anything else.

If we want to play with the idea he can be anybody, we can touch on that later with Miles Morales, but even he has stuff going on his backstory that doesn't play well with the idea.
good ... but from what I recourse they never gave it as much importance as it seems you gave it ... well, I don't quite like the idea ... with some tweaks and giving a good justification of why everything, yes.

I still think there are too many plots.
And it doesn't quite convince me that all of Kraven's allies and himself are so dependent on Parker technology ... but the serum is something logical.

As for the 3 with venom ... I don't know, it could be but since it seems that the first phase is going to be one of the six sinister we could use it to present the two that would be missing ... although we can always do the third of venom and then make eddy and him separate and eddt go to the psychiatrist (meeting the future carnage preparing everything for the future of venom and carnage ..
 
I kind of want to see The Human Fly (Richard Deacon), Paste-Pot-Pete/Trapster, and Ricochet in at least one of the movies, because I honestly just... like them, they're kind of... low-level villains, but they're at least pretty fun, from what I can remember of them.

And yes, I know that Ricochet's a Mutant, but he's a Spider-Man villain, so I think we can still use him, just take away the Mutant parts and I think it'd be fine.
 
I still think there are too many plots.
And it doesn't quite convince me that all of Kraven's allies and himself are so dependent on Parker technology ... but the serum is something logical.
There's only two plots: 1] Spider-Man v Kraven (and his Bratva), and 2] Herman v Dmitri, Prison Takeover. This makes the Kravinoff's backstory doing multiple shifts, helping expand Peter's and adding some backstory to OsCorp, in addition to helping create a sense of tension in Herman's scenes as he meets his first worthy opponent in prison [which itself builds up as we approach Riker's inevitable breakout, when the Sinister Six will rise], and all of which ties into the first movie.

Felicia's dad as Tinkerer even feeds into why they're "dependent on Parker tech", which they never were. What I was describing as tech was probably just the barest schematics that were utterly useless to the Kravinoffs without a mechanic on the level of Hardesky, and more a framework to help create the Formula in the first place [ala '90s Spider-Man]. All told, his scenes shouldn't take a lot of attention away from the movie other than to be the guy who the villains go to for their gear, and the formulas that help them stay on top.

And the news about Astronaut John Jameson isn't really anything more than a setup for the next movie, helps add to JJJameson's character for the audience to see he's more than just an angry journalist [He's a Proud Dad!], and shouldn't take longer than a minute as an Easter Egg.
As for the 3 with venom ... I don't know, it could be but since it seems that the first phase is going to be one of the six sinister we could use it to present the two that would be missing ... although we can always do the third of venom and then make eddy and him separate and eddt go to the psychiatrist (meeting the future carnage preparing everything for the future of venom and carnage ..
I mean, I'd prefer to do Venom justice in the next movie, but we can just as well set up something else in the next one.

For instance, we can have Morbius and Connors be the ones responsible for the Clone Saga, albeit it wasn't something they were striving to do. In this instance, in their research of the Parker variant of the Oz Formula, they found that it tended to be a more stable alternative to their side research into regenerative tissues. Excited by the possibilities, they begin various testing protocols in order to create replaceable limbs and organs [kinda like flash cloning in Halo] and find that while it tends to be more stable, it also tends to have a higher rejection rate when introduced into foreign bodies that might trigger a number of degenerative ailments. Frustrated at the lack of progress, this being one several thousand attempts they've made, they begin taking less and less precautions in their research becoming slowly unhinged in the process...and then, an opportunity comes along when they gain access to a sample of Spider-Man's blood and it isn't long before they achieve a measure of success, finally achieving a stable product that requires constant maintenance in the form of stabilizing pharmaceutical drugs. Unsatisfied in the final product, they attempt to gain further funding to remove the need for those drugs but are stopped by Norman Osborn on behalf of the Board of Investors; enraged, they turn to desperate measures...and pay for them dearly, as they intake two alternative treatments [Connors- Lizard, Morbius- Bat] and begin metamorphizing into hideous beasts. It's in this chaos, Venom is released and eventually finds his way to Peter.
I kind of want to see The Human Fly (Richard Deacon), Paste-Pot-Pete/Trapster, and Ricochet in at least one of the movies, because I honestly just... like them, they're kind of... low-level villains, but they're at least pretty fun, from what I can remember of them.
Put them in the montage at the beginning of the first movie, and then again when the inevitable breakout at Riker's happens.
And yes, I know that Ricochet's a Mutant, but he's a Spider-Man villain, so I think we can still use him, just take away the Mutant parts and I think it'd be fine.
Worked well enough for Scarlet Witch.
 
There's only two plots: 1] Spider-Man v Kraven (and his Bratva), and 2] Herman v Dmitri, Prison Takeover. This makes the Kravinoff's backstory doing multiple shifts, helping expand Peter's and adding some backstory to OsCorp, in addition to helping create a sense of tension in Herman's scenes as he meets his first worthy opponent in prison [which itself builds up as we approach Riker's inevitable breakout, when the Sinister Six will rise], and all of which ties into the first movie.

Felicia's dad as Tinkerer even feeds into why they're "dependent on Parker tech", which they never were. What I was describing as tech was probably just the barest schematics that were utterly useless to the Kravinoffs without a mechanic on the level of Hardesky, and more a framework to help create the Formula in the first place [ala '90s Spider-Man]. All told, his scenes shouldn't take a lot of attention away from the movie other than to be the guy who the villains go to for their gear, and the formulas that help them stay on top.

And the news about Astronaut John Jameson isn't really anything more than a setup for the next movie, helps add to JJJameson's character for the audience to see he's more than just an angry journalist [He's a Proud Dad!], and shouldn't take longer than a minute as an Easter Egg.

I mean, I'd prefer to do Venom justice in the next movie, but we can just as well set up something else in the next one.
1.but by how you described it, you gave to understand that later the plot of kraven vs spiderman is also subdivided into spiderman vs rino, spiderman vs vulture. and all having the same importance ..
2.I don't know if it's because of how you described it but it still sounds too intriguing, dizzy and far-fetched when reading it, so I imagine when "seeing" it in a movie
 
@Orion Ultor Maybe there could be a potential post-credit scene of an astronaut coming back to earth, with a weird black... sludge on their back, unseen by the astronaut or anyone else?
 
Here's my proposal: OsCorp is the Arc Villain...but not for the reasons you think.

Alright, it's established that in our scripts that A) Peter has dealt with the Chameleon, B) Herman decided to attack a subsidiary of OsCorp, C) Shocker has a plan to take over the prison, and D) the Shocker gets recruited for another initiative in prison. In addition we know that in the comics that E) in the Ultimate Peter's powers were tied to an attempt at creating the Super Soldier Serum (made by OsCorp), F) in that same continuity, Richard Parker had been one of the scientists working on an [unrelated] Super Soldier Project, G) Peter's parents were spies (616), H) Peter's parents were assassinated (616), I) Chameleon was taught by the man who killed his parents (616), J) Kraven and Chameleon are half-brothers (616), K) Kraven's family has a thing against Spider-Man and his allies...

There is a reason I want S6 to be the Arc finale, there are two main reasons:
1) we need to show something that the audience didn't see before, the same reason that caused us to start the movie with Peter as an already established Spider-Man.
The whole Raimi trilogy arc is about the green goblin, which is great because he is the greatest enemy to "Peter Parker". But if the our Phase is focused on the "Spider-Man" aspect we need to have more enemies like Doc Ock and Lizard.
2) the S6 is a cool concept, and right now the closest we can get to some kind of twisted avengers story, it will help far more in establishing Villains and their realtionship with each other than an OsCorp arc.

I do think we need to set up OsCorp and Norman and Harry, but the same way we established Eddie Brock, they both will come in the next Phase, that because I believe that it's very very very hard to make Venom and Green Goblin movies without having a really good foundation and development to Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

Spider-Man 2:
Starting with that Post-Credits sequence where Shocker is approached by a recruiter [who so far hasn't been tied to anybody], ask that he keep an eye on Dmitri (Chameleon). Next, we move to Kraven, who as a higher up in the Solntsevskaya Bratva [Russian Mafia], hearing about his brother's capture. Now, there's no love lost between the two brothers, but there's honor, family honor, at stake here, so Kraven asks two of his own, Aleksei Sytsevich [Rhino] and Adrian Toomes [Vulture] to learn what they can about the "Pauk" [Spider]. Their first stop is getting into contact with Dmitri [through a backdoor prison channel to keep their names clear] about what he knows about the Spider, where he gives a rather detailed, and well reasoned, impression of Spider-Man; unknown to the three, this communique is tapped by Herman who grins with a bit of satisfaction.

From here, start building up the idea that Kraven and his brother were where they were at in the Bratva hierarchy wasn't just because they were violent thugs with a sense of intelligence, but because of their prior ties to the KGB and the secrets, tech and blackmail they could level at people with little effort on their parts; simultaneously, Peter's uncovering family secrets via his parent's effects, finding that they were Government Contractors due to their positions in OsCorp, a defense contractor to the US Military, with references to a formula. But it ultimately isn't until the end [after the B-Story involving Herman and Dmitri's war for control over the prison that ends in Herman's favor], that things line up for us and the audience learns that they [the Kravinoff brothers], specifically, were the reason his parents were assassinated, that Peter was left an orphan, that we get to get our first glimpse of Peter's rage.

In this rage, and against the advice of all his friends and family, Peter makes a beeline for Kraven. What he fails to understand, is that in those many years Kraven and his cadre weren't idle with the technology and formulae they stole from the Parkers, created weakened versions of the prototype formula [that eventually created Peter]; it's why, when he's confronted by a fully kitted out Rhino and Vulture, they can stand reasonably toe-to-toe with Spider-Man. He struggles, eventually overcoming them, but then has to face Kraven in his full glory. The fight is absolutely brutal, and it's only a reminder of Uncle Ben that snaps him out of his rage, letting him finally gain an upper hand.

B-Plots:
- Herman taking over Riker's, first by taking out Dmitri. Loses to Kraven when he finally shows up.
-- "You are but an animal trapped in this cage, with I, the Hunter!"
- Felicia's estranged father, Ivan Hardesky, part of Kraven's Bratva and this series' Tinkerer.
-- When he fails to work fast enough and fearing he is a turncoat, Kraven forces Ivan to test the formula on his daughter, tying it into why Peter confronts Kraven the way he does.
- News about Astronaut John Jameson returning to Earth after the successful first test flight of a private aerospace vehicle (OsCorp) and the recovery of alien material. JJJ is crowing about it, happy as he can be.

Post-Credits: Norman Osborn, having managed to finally [after all these years] repossess the technologies stolen from OsCorp, gives them over to his team of scientists overseeing the project; Kurt Conners and Michael Morbius and Miles Warren, as overseen by Project Lead Otto Octavius. In the background, we see the creation of a Venom symbiote from the acquired alien material.

First thing, I really like it, but I do have some minor notes, and one big thing I think we need to change.

If we are doing a Kraven movie, I want to set some elements towards a sequal (might even not be in this Phase, and honestly it probably shouldn't be in this Phase) "Kraven last hunt" story. (One of the greatest spiderman stories)

I want to add B plot about Peter relationship with Gwen and interdouce her Father as some kind of surrogate father to Peter, that to set up "And Death Shall Come" story, which is one that I plan to happen in the last movie in this Phase, and can lead straight to "Spider-Man No More" plot in the next Phase.

I want to change to Venom set up (because I think that to make him successfully we need to go into more depth in Peter Parker beforehand) and maybe do a set up to Doc Ock, or the Lizard
 
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Guardian Devil is one of the best Mysterio stories, and while its focused on Daredevil I think we can adapt it to focus on Black Cat, we learn thru flashbacks (or something else) about her origin while at the same time in the present there is a "Guardian Devil" that make her current life a living hell
 
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