The World Turned Upside Down - A 20th Century Nation Game (HIATUS?)

The Commonwealth of Virginia it is! North America is bound to be interesting.



It is the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ 1991.

As the House of Delegates gathers in Richmond to decide the course of the Virginian nation, the newborn country is a fragile place. Following the fall of Montgomery to radical elements Articles of Secession were swiftly ratified in Richmond and, only slightly later, Raleigh as well. Given the instability of the surrounding region and generally poised stance of its impromptu military Virginia is not in immediate danger of collapse... for now. While politicians argue and pontificate in Richmond the nation is guided by a select and provisional few, including:

  • Edward Fitzhugh Curtis, who serves as the interim President of the Commonwealth. A vaunted member of the First Families, Curtis was serving as Governor when Virginia's secession was ratified by the House and needed little persuasion to add his signature. Thinking of Virginia as the genteel, intelligent, civilised bastion of humanity on the North American continent President Curtis has -- with the support of the Virginian military -- strongly put forth the idea of a 'preemptive security action' in Kentucky and possibly Tennessee.
  • William Gaston Caperton III, who is the interim Home Secretary of the Commonwealth. Formerly serving as State Attorney-General, Caperton was the scion of the ancient Caperton family -- a First Family which had settled in western Virginia when plantation land (such as it could be found) was cheap in the aftermath of the War of Northern Aggression. Although they subsequently developed a reputation as mavericks and hicks amongst the others of Virginian gentry the Capertons were sufficiently blue-blooded to see Bill Caperton ride to office on Custis' coattails after a successful career in the House of Delegates. In the turbulent days after the 'second secession' Caperton has found himself suddenly with a great deal of power and only vaguely-defined duties. Who in government will receive his blessings is a question much-pondered in the antiquated drawing rooms of Richmond and Alexandria.
  • Bradley Arthur Gooch, who is presently the Chief of Staff of Virginia's military forces. Formerly a commanding officer who served in domestic, anti-uprising posts prior to Virginian independence, Gooch was well-regarded and on his way up the latter when word of the secession came from Richmond. Alongside roughly two dozen other native Virginians at his posting he immediately returned home to serve, and used his old-money connections and well-earned reputation to secure the top spot in Virginia's nebulous military. The headaches of standardising and integrating former Confederate Army soldiers who had been stationed out-of-state alongside the men of the Virginia and formerly North Carolina Home Armies are proving to be quite severe.
  • R. Catesby Taliaferro, who is among the most unqualified of men to hold his present office as Secretary of State for the Commonwealth. At 84 years old, Taliaferro is the epitome of old Virginia aristocracy: a Classicist, philosopher, and mathematician without any experience whatsoever -- not to mention one approaching senility at a quickstep pace -- who was appointed solely as a bone thrown to the Taliaferro family and their allies who felt slighted by their non-inclusion. Although he is assisted ably by Philip Douglass, a 'common man' with no relation whatsoever to any of the First Families, as his Deputy Secretary, it remains to be scene whether Taliaferro's unique qualifications will cause trouble for the Virginian government.
 
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Imperio de Mexico- 1991


Name:
The Empire of Mexico
Head of State: Emperor Maximillian Iturbide (OOC: The first name, ironically, of the current claimant in OTL)
Head of Government: Prime Minister Carlos Salinas de Gortari
Type of Government: Habsburg Constitutionalism
Population: 117,836,000
Capital:
Mexico City

Domestic

Internal Events:

-The Emperor and his Progressive Prime Minister have agreed to meet in a series of closed talks to discuss reform. It is hoped they will be able to create an organized time table for reform but given the Emperor's unwillingness to consider several topics, including the Landowner's Franchise, it remains to be seen if any substantial ground will be gained.

Economic Status:
-Mexico, though possessing rich natural resources, has long suffered developmental problems due to its dependence on heavy taxes on the upper classes to maintain the military. These taxes are tolerated due to the extensive privileges given to the nation's elite. Given that the Emperor needs the support of both the Upper Classes and the Military to maintain his power and benefiting one will likely damage his relations with the other, many fear for the Mexico's long term future...

Military
-The Mexican military, faced with the certain probability of a war in the underdeveloped lands of Northern Mexico, has long favored a strong airforce to harass enemy incursion and to wage strategic strikes against major enemy installations, such as the US Pacific Fleet at Vancouver or Confederate forts across Texas. The Navy and Army have been considered secondary defensive weapons to pin the enemy while logistical strikes wear them down. The sole exception is the Army of Rio Grande, which bears a formidable armored section for proposed rapid advanced into Texas aided by airborne cavalry.

Army:
  • Active Duty: 1,178,000
  • Reserves: 4,713,000 (Demobilized)
  • Tanks: 39,300
Navy:
  • 4 Aircraft Carriers
  • 25 Attack Subs
  • 10 Cruisers
  • 30 Destroyers
Air Force:
  • 120 Strategic Bombers
  • 400 Air Superiority Fighters
  • 500 Multirole Fighters
  • 300 Ground Attack Fighters
  • 3000 Helicopters
Alliances, Agreements, Pacts, and Trade:

Diplomacy:




It is the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ 1991.

As the House of Delegates gathers in Richmond to decide the course of the Virginian nation, the newborn country is a fragile place. Following the fall of Montgomery to radical elements Articles of Secession were swiftly ratified in Richmond and, only slightly later, Raleigh as well. Given the instability of the surrounding region and generally poised stance of its impromptu military Virginia is not in immediate danger of collapse... for now. While politicians argue and pontificate in Richmond the nation is guided by a select and provisional few, including:

  • Edward Fitzhugh Curtis, who serves as the interim President of the Commonwealth. A vaunted member of the First Families, Curtis was serving as Governor when Virginia's secession was ratified by the House and needed little persuasion to add his signature. Thinking of Virginia as the genteel, intelligent, civilised bastion of humanity on the North American continent President Curtis has -- with the support of the Virginian military -- strongly put forth the idea of a 'preemptive security action' in Kentucky and possibly Tennessee.
  • William Gaston Caperton III, who is the interim Home Secretary of the Commonwealth. Formerly serving as State Attorney-General, Caperton was the scion of the ancient Caperton family -- a First Family which had settled in western Virginia when plantation land (such as it could be found) was cheap in the aftermath of the War of Northern Aggression. Although they subsequently developed a reputation as mavericks and hicks amongst the others of Virginian gentry the Capertons were sufficiently blue-blooded to see Bill Caperton ride to office on Custis' coattails after a successful career in the House of Delegates. In the turbulent days after the 'second secession' Caperton has found himself suddenly with a great deal of power and only vaguely-defined duties. Who in government will receive his blessings is a question much-pondered in the antiquated drawing rooms of Richmond and Alexandria.
  • Bradley Arthur Gooch, who is presently the Chief of Staff of Virginia's military forces. Formerly a commanding officer who served in domestic, anti-uprising posts prior to Virginian independence, Gooch was well-regarded and on his way up the latter when word of the secession came from Richmond. Alongside roughly two dozen other native Virginians at his posting he immediately returned home to serve, and used his old-money connections and well-earned reputation to secure the top spot in Virginia's nebulous military. The headaches of standardising and integrating former Confederate Army soldiers who had been stationed out-of-state alongside the men of the Virginia and formerly North Carolina Home Armies are proving to be quite severe.
  • R. Catesby Taliaferro, who is among the most unqualified of men to hold his present office as Secretary of State for the Commonwealth. At 84 years old, Taliaferro is the epitome of old Virginia aristocracy: a Classicist, philosopher, and mathematician without any experience whatsoever -- not to mention one approaching senility at a quickstep pace -- who was appointed solely as a bone thrown to the Taliaferro family and their allies who felt slighted by their non-inclusion. Although he is assisted ably by Philip Douglass, a 'common man' with no relation whatsoever to any of the First Families, as his Deputy Secretary, it remains to be scene whether Taliaferro's unique qualifications will cause trouble for the Virginian government.

While I do enjoy the enthusiasm in these turnposts, they are meant to be posted in the game chat during a game year, just for clarification.
 
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While I do enjoy the enthusiasm in these turnposts, they are meant to be posted in the game chat during a game year, just for clarification.
You asked people to get their turnposts ready, and that's what they're doing? Getting feedback on potential errors is part of getting ready.
Or just use the test thread like I do for now.
Less likely to receive feedback from the gm and others though. :thonk:
 
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You asked people to get their turnposts ready, and that's what they're doing? Getting feedback on potential errors is part of getting ready.

Which is completely understandable, I just wanted to clarify that posting it here is still different than posting it on the nation game thread, as I don't believe I explicitly mentioned that earlier.
 
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Nothing at all, in fact, your numbers seem reasonable upon second consideration. If you'll understand, as moderator, my duty is to ensure realism. In any case, I trust you to be able to do that to the best possible opportunity.

I don't mind that. I, in fact, encourage it. I really have no idea what counts as reasonable.
 
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So the Republic of China.

Fun fun now to look up a possible political structure and indirect democracy models.
 
Military Power
I don't mind that. I, in fact, encourage it. I really have no idea what counts as reasonable.

In regards to yours and, inevitably, other participants' questions surrounding accurate military strength, I suggest the use of this as a gauge from which to base numbers around: Military capability and international status

Exact numbers are oft hard to formulate, but going by this resource provided, the Empire of Mexico, being an expeditionary military power, would have a standing army capable of intervention up to division strength, with various other aspects of the military being further described.

If you still have questions regarding estimates, use our timeline's 1991 population, your nation's government, and traditional sizes of military units to give a ballpark estimate of what the military numbers would be for your nation state, as this scenario means no major world wars, but incredibly violent regional wars, along with a distinct slow period of growth in tech and booms seen in our timeline. This means that, in essence, the population of our world and that of this scenario are approximately similar.
 
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How did the balkanization of Brazil happen ITTL? Did the Portuguese royal family move to Rio as in OTL? Was Uruguay conquered by Brazil? Did the Cisplatine War happen?
The Federal Republic of Brazil did balkanize throughout its history, as seen in existence the Dominion of the Amazons, the Republic of Bahia, and the Union of Cisplatina.

In Lisbon, the Portugese royal family are alive and well, and have been for many years.

Uruguay was one of the provinces that formed the Union of Cisplatina, the other being Rio Grande do Sul, and maintains a tenuous relationship between the Federal Republic of Brazil, which it broke away from, and the Republic of Argentina, which attempted to invade it, and the state exists thanks to British intervention and mediation.
wikipedia said:
During the French invasion of Portugal, by Emperor Napoleon I in 1807, the Portuguese royal family House of Braganza fled across the Atlantic Ocean with the help of the British Royal Navy to Brazil, establishing Rio de Janeiro as the de facto capital of Portugal and Brazil and the Portuguese Empire during the ensuing worldwide Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815). This had the side effect of soon creating within Brazil, many of the institutions required to exist as an independent state; most importantly, it freed Brazil to trade with other nations at will.
wikipedia said:
A few months later, Pedro I crushed the short-lived Confederation of the Equator, a failed secession attempt by provincial rebels in Brazil's northeast.
A secessionist rebellion in the southern province of Cisplatina in early 1825, and the subsequent attempt by the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata to annex it, led the Empire into the Cisplatine War.
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How did Brazil become independent ITTL?
 
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So can I look to make parallels between the Republic of China in-game militarily and the Republic of India IRL military in terms of capability and size? Or more like 1991 PRC?
 
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How did Brazil become independent ITTL?

The independence of Brazil is left intentionally vague in order to allow room for participator creativity, as in other national origin stories. This scenario operates on a general confluence of points of divergence from our timeline, so establishing a true point from which the Federal Republic of Brazil was founded is fluid and up to the participant, so long as it matches the canon of their nation.

So can I look to make parallels between the Republic of China in-game militarily and the Republic of India IRL military in terms of capability and size? Or more like 1991 PRC?

The parallel would not be unjustified. Our timeline's People's Liberation Army is afflicted by the population loss of the policies of Maoism, not to mention the sex imbalance due to Communist-enforced population control. With a more Westernized and democratic China, as in this scenario's Republic of China, both of those factors are eliminated, so a large but moderately equipped military would make sense in this scenario.

Can I be the benelux?

Of course. May your role as the true neutral of Europe be long and prosperous.
 
The parallel would not be unjustified. Our timeline's People's Liberation Army is afflicted by the population loss of the policies of Maoism, not to mention the sex imbalance due to Communist-enforced population control. With a more Westernized and democratic China, as in this scenario's Republic of China, both of those factors are eliminated, so a large but moderately equipped military would make sense in this scenario.

In a similar vein, a lack of population control measures and less Great Famines is going to bump my already substantial population by some percentage I imagine.

Would it be fair to say I am still undergoing the effective marginalisation by greater fecundity between the Han Chinese and the smaller ethnic groups?
 
In a similar vein, a lack of population control measures and less Great Famines is going to bump my already substantial population by some percentage I imagine.

Would it be fair to say I am still undergoing the effective marginalisation by greater fecundity between the Han Chinese and the smaller ethnic groups?

According to a review of the situation, the scenario notes that there existed a 'Great Famine of 1974', although it was not as detrimental as it was in our timeline.

Also, regarding minorities in the Republic of China, given that those groups have been given greater representation in the Republic of China and cooperate with the national government often, I would go so far as to say that the minorities are doing just about the same, if not better than the average Chinese citizen, a situation that may lead to some ethnic tensions as these clear economic differences arise.
 
Who would be King of Finland anyway? I wanna say the German OTL "King" but with Germany split in two I doubt that is the case
 
@ChaoticGenius two rules-related questions:

First, how are internal civil wars handled? Do the players just write out their own updates and put them up, or do we need to run them by mods?

Second, how will technological advancements work in game?
 
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