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The Twin Holds: A Dwarf Karak Quest. (Warhammer Fantasy)

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Mayto said:
Tbf I'd personally like Teclis along.

But this is a DWARF mission. A quest to recover sacred items.

Bringing along mercenaries for such a thing, let alone an elf? That's just not something Dawi do. Only reason Felix came along in Daemonslayer is because he was blood-bound to follow Gotrek. And even then, he got glances at first.

Not even Bokri is that mad.
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I get it, and I was purely relying on the angle that the Krakka Drak dwarves didn't accept the Elf grudges and would be bringing him along to make it 'work'. but yeah, Felix skirted by on Dwarf Friend status and some serious oaths of secrecy where needed.

Changed the letters appropriately and ended up going with writing to Reikland's Elector count like i suggested we should earlier in thread.

Basically just laying out the facts for him and letting Talabecland and Averland do the work of bringing him over to 'their side'
 
To be honest.

I'm a little bit(not very) annoyed I keep having to remind people that Dwarf's don't like to employ mercenaries, let alone take them along for something as important as retaking a Karak, or reclaiming a relic.

It's just... Not something Dawi do. Your friendship with Teclis is mostly a scholarly one. And you'd probably take him along on personal adventures and the like. But not on whats the closest thing there is to a dwarf holy war.

I put a lot of effort into making this a Dawi quest. Not 'short human quest'. Working within the guild systems. Fighting like Dawi. Holding grudges. Mocking Umgi even as you help them.
 
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Mayto said:
To be honest.

I'm a little bit(not very) annoyed I keep having to remind people that Dwarf's don't like to employ mercenaries, let alone take them along for something as important as retaking a Karak, or reclaiming a relic.

It's just...

Not something Dawi do. Your friendship with Teclis is mostly a scholarly one. And you'd probably take him along on personal adventures and the like. But not on whats the closest thing there is to a dwarf holy war.
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I get it, I should probably let go of the Teclis ideas myself, I just figured "Teclis, best mage." = "Good thing" in the chaos wastes. but yeah, Dwarves are willing to hire mercenaries for battles or even some hold reclamations if the situation allows it, not for personal matters though.
 
argenten said:
I get it, I should probably let go of the Teclis ideas myself, I just figured "Teclis, best mage." = "Good thing" in the chaos wastes. but yeah, Dwarves are willing to hire mercenaries for battles or even some hold reclamations if the situation allows it, not for personal matters though.
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If it werent for this being about reclaiming sacred relics. You could probably get Teclis.

Hell. You can get him to Karak Hirn when the time comes. :D
 
Mayto said:
To be honest.

I'm a little bit(not very) annoyed I keep having to remind people that Dwarf's don't like to employ mercenaries, let alone take them along for something as important as retaking a Karak, or reclaiming a relic.

It's just... Not something Dawi do. Your friendship with Teclis is mostly a scholarly one. And you'd probably take him along on personal adventures and the like. But not on whats the closest thing there is to a dwarf holy war.

I put a lot of effort into making this a Dawi quest. Not 'short human quest'. Working within the guild systems. Fighting like Dawi. Holding grudges. Mocking Umgi even as you help them.
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I think people are just panicking because we are literally going to hell's back garden. Personally I have just made my peace with the notion that Bokri is going to die, that way I can be pleasantly surprised if he lives.
 
Mayto said:
If it werent for this being about reclaiming sacred relics. You could probably get Teclis.

Hell. You can get him to Karak Hirn when the time comes. :D
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Sweet! I admit I'd hope to cheese Teclis in at partially because of the relics to help things a bit between the races, but...baby steps I suppose.

Also, the Wastes that we're going into aren't as bad as they are when Gotrek and Felix do, that's after centuries after the Great War and all that time of the Chaos Wastes pushing forward. As it is...it's going to be really nasty but Idt it's going to be worse than say...northern Norsca, which is bad enough but at least there aren't ginormous mushroom forests of doom like Felix saw.
 
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Hey, wait a second, we can tell teclis about something else. Him to go and investigate Karak Vlag. (After we scout out of Course.)
It can even be reasonably explained, Chaos happened. Send the crazy powerful sorcerer to see what may have been cast at the Hold and what it might of done.
 
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rokafella said:
Hey, wait a second, we can tell teclis about something else. Him to go and investigate Karak Vlag. (After we scout out of Course.)
It can even be reasonably explained, Chaos happened. Send the crazy powerful sorcerer to see what may have been cast at the Hold and what it might of done.
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That is acceptable. (And easier to hide)
 
[] Plan Looting Gnu's Letters
-[] Prepare a path for the expedition
-[] Supply Caches for the Expedition
-[] Clear out the detritus of the Wastes
-[] Reinforce the Anti-Skaven front
-[] Purge Karak Norn's mountainside of Clan Eshin.
-[] Zhufbar's convoys
-[] Protect Karak Ziflin's trade routes
-[] Marsh patrol
-[] [Letter] Friedrich Von Tarnus
--[] Friedrich promised his aid if we ever needed it - we're calling it in. Ask Friedrich to take himself and any of his mage friends he can convince to come along to journey to Karak Hirn, to participate in the defense.
-[] [Letter] Prince Leopold of Ostland, Knights of Everlasting Light
--[] Ask the Everlasting Light to assist Zhufbar's convoys as they travel across Sylvania. Inform him that they are vital supplies that are going to be used in the defense of the hold and that if they dont get there many may die.
-[] [Letter] Other: King Ungrim of Karak Kadrin
--[] Reach out as head of the Ranger's Guild. Give him an extremely detailed breakdown of the current state of the War against the Skaven, tailored to allow him to pinpoint where he can send Slayers to find their most valiant dooms. Further suggest that if he were to allow you to establish an outpost in Karak Kadrin, he would have access to this sort of intelligence all the time, on all of the Karaz Ankor's enemies - allowing him to help the Slayers find their ends as efficiently and effectively as possible.
-[] [Letter] Magnus Bildenhof, Emperor of the Empire
--[] Warn him of the growing potential problem the Karak Anhazar settlers represent. You have no interest in ruling Solland, but not all Dawi share that perspective. Reassert your willingness to work with Magnus's plans to reincorporate the Elector County of Solland into the Empire, and request his current thoughts on how to move forward.
-[] Support the Rangers
-[] The Kolbhugel-Steingart Road
-[] Ostermark Colonists. Dwarf homes
-[] All mine

Link to post with Rationale

So I like the letters @BelligerentGnu put forward in this plan so I'm stealing them for mine before I head off to bed.

Edit: Changed one letter to @ARandomTechPries's idea.
 
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Mayto said:
Its just choosing in which order you want to organize and fund these units. The order of unlocking them doesn't lock things out.

Just some basic stuff like, if something bad happens, you might want to have the rangers ready by next turn. Or the Tileans. Or the Six Shooters
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Ah that makes sense. In that case I'd actually be in favor of the rangers or six shooters due to their dispersed nature and rapid response time respectively.
 
Oh right that reminds me, @Mayto if we do get to Karak Dum and get the Axe and relics, what will happen to the fate of Gotrex and Felix?
 
Nurgle said:
The count of Riekland we can approach all of them before the elector meet. Also if it helps with casualties that is good overall for us since Calvary would be better in the undead plains and Forrest than the mountains
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Okay, I at least wanted to follow through on what I said about approaching the ECs from Reikland and Hochland to clear things up during the Rakidum turn vote, but Talabecland would be approaching Hochland if my plan wins so that's half of them atm.

I'll switch the Reikland letter with the one for the cav
 
Nurgle said:
Actually Gotrek will not even be on this expedition. He will most likely still be a engineer who left his clan for his wife. We should totally steal him if we can.
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Technically that'd make him an expat y'know...


And made the change, any other suggestions to my plans? I kept the Hellpit and the marsh patrol in the ranger actions and sadly had to remove the Zhufbar still fighting and the Karak Izor plan to make room for the anti skaven front so our trade is secure.

For the solland stuff, went with 'max impact on as many things in the reconstruction as possible' and the Order option because it'd secure the southern pass with a stone fortress
 
argenten said:
Technically that'd make him an expat y'know...


And made the change, any other suggestions to my plans? I kept the Hellpit and the marsh patrol in the ranger actions and sadly had to remove the Zhufbar still fighting and the Karak Izor plan to make room for the anti skaven front so our trade is secure.

For the solland stuff, went with 'max impact on as many things in the reconstruction as possible' and the Order option because it'd secure the southern pass with a stone fortress
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So dawi immigrant than to a liberal Karak. But Gortex was only on the first expedition in cannon timeline because he was one of-the only engineers they can get on a suicide run.
 
Nurgle said:
So dawi immigrant than to a liberal Karak. But Gortex was only on the first expedition in cannon timeline because he was one of-the only engineers they can get on a suicide run.
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I was more poking at the idea it'd be doable by having him be an expat but I think I flubbed it, but i get what you're saying too.

since the expedition isn't a suicide run this time, should be able to get more, especially if a plan that has all three karag dum options taken wins.

About plans...any questions, comments, observations?
 
argenten said:
I was more poking at the idea it'd be doable by having him be an expat but I think I flubbed it, but i get what you're saying too.

since the expedition isn't a suicide run this time, should be able to get more, especially if a plan that has all three karag dum options taken wins.

About plans...any questions, comments, observations?
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Kinda shocked nobody leapt up on the idea of what me and Mayto were talking about?
Besides that most of the things on it that were picked up like the highest peak, answering the call were fine. Maybye not all of the help for the journey to Karak Dum but ehh. Personally, going for six-shooters and your ideas of what are letters should be about to.
 
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